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Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

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Do you agree Somalis need Totalitarianism and Capitalism?

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Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby AwRastaale » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:53 am

Habrocracy exploited by Wahabism (ticking bomb waiting to explode)

- The Arabs are slowly programming these orphans kids that Habrocracy system cannot sustain nor provide the basics for.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video. ... 8742734144

Under Totalitarian, Scientific Socialism (not a fan of it personally, I am pro-Totalitarian with Capitalism touch), Marxism, social progress and development progress the fastest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tkyfljr-3w

Now compare the two children and see which one is more precise, drilled, disciplined, and free to sing their native tongue while the others have to appease foreigners otherwise they go hungry. None of them want to learn Arabic.

That's why Ras Hawdian is a fan of Menelik II, Tewodros II and Major General Mohamed Siad Barre.

If I was a leader I would do things their way.

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In such note let's remember Siad Barre, on this day, 2nd January 1995, roughly at the age of 75 he died in Nigeria.

If I had access to arms I would probably do what Barre did in Hargeisa today. I believe he did the right thing but where he failed was the end not the beginning.

If Barre had kept the markets free and allowed the business minded nomads to carry out their transactions with some tough regulations but free market, I am certain he would have had far more success. The biggest mistake was placing everything under the state especially under people who never ran businesses in their lives as well lacking innovation.

If he had allowed free market, there would be greater drive for innovation. Even in the early stages Somali businessmen needed incentives, tax-breaks and extra-funding as long as they supported local produce over imports.

Those who were heavily involved in imports should be limited for example how many offices they can open per KM (radius). The quota. If they were mix-import/local then more recognition.

Free market is Somali strength but not democracy.

Take the poll and express yourself without the need to appease some tribal expectations or 'code of act'. Be yourself. You as a man (sorry I don't believe in ladies beyond the kitchen).

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby X.Playa » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:03 am

Hooyadaa minilik was was wuxu dabo dhilifsanaa.

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby AwRastaale » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:08 am

Hooyadaa minilik was was wuxu dabo dhilifsanaa.
Your mad because I destroyed you and the BS you have been collecting "21 years".

I too would be mad if I was put away in just few replies in what you invested 21 years. You had no answers while Siad Barre built a nation in 21 years.

Xaar-Playa :damn: :damn:
You are as dumb as a qaad chewr in a mafrish. I didn't wake up one day like you and all of a sudden became an expert I collected everything about the dervish for 21 years.

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Who is the liar you or him?
Don't give up the 'collection' old man maybe one day autistic man like you will finally process things faster and don't be too hard on yourself. You are neither the first nor last of Ras' victim. I don't take hostages that's why I authorize brutal force like the three men I mentioned.

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby GeoSeven » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:27 am

@0:40...until a limb moved, I didn't know if that was an object or a person :|

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby theyuusuf143 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:32 am

This is what happens when some one spends most of his time watching dictators , and Ethiopian Junta . Man all those people you listed were defeated by their own greed and brutality, this is tested all over the world a dictator never left a functioning state, it didn't happen in Pharaohs, in Iraq, in Syria, in Libya, in Yemen, in Somalia..... It goes on and on. By the time Ethiopia and Eritrea collapses habarmocracy will prevail even better. It's all about sustainability, you can't sustain to karbaash people for life , it does not happen if you read history books, even European empires retreated back to their original native land because they couldn't keep oppressing people.

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby balwarama » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:58 am

Hooyadaa minilik was was wuxu dabo dhilifsanaa.
walahi this made me laugh. The Nigga is maverick thou, he fires in all directions. I saw ur exchanges in the Taleex thread

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby balwarama » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:59 am

D/P

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby AwRastaale » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:06 am

TheYusuuf,

Your argument looks fair until one examines things more clearly then it comes undone.

You have listed states that collapsed but without stating the truth you just blamed their totalitarian leaders because that's what the Western media has fed you.

Let me remain you that all those states collapsed not because of internal unrests but because of external forces who often infiltrated the mainstream society.

Libya was destroyed by the US and its allies as they did in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Somalia.

These countries were enjoying steady growth and many of them were debt free and enjoyed things you do not even have in your ageing England, where marfish is the only escape from reality.
In 1967 Colonel Gaddafi inherited one of the poorest nations in Africa; however, by the time he was assassinated, Gaddafi had turned Libya into Africa’s wealthiest nation. Libya had the highest GDP per capita and life expectancy on the continent. Less people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.
Libya offered its citizen interest-free loans, housing subsidies, several grands (USD) to mothers who had a baby, money to start business, employment was higher than UK, zero debt, free healthcare and so on.

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Iraq wasn't much behind.

Somalia enjoyed many things too and today I can see that you enjoy writing your Somali. It would not have been possible without Siad Barre's decisiveness and drive to get the nomads to get things done. BTW his Bar ama Baro campaign is said to be one of the biggest and most successful literacy campaigns in the modern history. Literacy sky rocketed.

What literacy has Somaliland achieved in 26 years under the Habrocracy?

You complain about Ethiopia but 70% of the higher education in SL is offered by Ethiopian institutions because your state cannot create any. University of Hargeisa is some what the only institution and that was donated by individuals such as Fowzia Yusuf Haji Aden. To this day it's limbing and mind you the campus itself is the structure left behind by Siad Barre. Your habrocracy has not added anything except a hall or two donated by Dahabshiil.

Totalitarian is great system but those in favor of democracy gained the upper hand during the industrial age and have been attacking the other alternatives. However today things are changing. The West and their democracy are in disarray. The US is re-counting votes, claims they were hacked by a Totalitarian state. EU is close to collapsing with many deciding to exit.

All while China goes strength to strength--------a perfect example of Totalitarianism with capitalism.

Don't forget Al Assad still stands and sons of Totalitarianism are fighting back.

Your own little state sits shadow to the Totalitarian Ethiopia. The problem with Ethiopia is that the market is not opened. But it is still creating the most millionaires/middle class citizens in Africa while Habrocracy creates more poverty. Even I have doubts if DP will ever show up.

Even Djibouti benefits from its totalitarianism rule.
Secrets of Stability in Djibouti

Asharq Al-awsat English-31 Dec. 2016

Republic of Djibouti President Omar Guelleh addresses attendees during the 70th session of the United Nations General Assembly at the U.N. ...
Ethiopia and Djibouti establish joint company to manage Chinese ...

africanews-12 Dec. 2016

Ethiopia and Djibouti have entered an agreement which will see them establish a joint company which will manage the newly built ...
Silk Road International Bank set in Djibouti

China Economic Net-28 Dec. 2016

Djibouti is a strange country for most people, but in the eyes of Luo Feng, the Vice Chairman of Silk Road International Bank Board of Directors ...
Saudi military base in Djibouti on track

gulfnews.com-5 Dec. 2016

Manama: Djibouti's Foreign Minister Mahamoud Ali Youssouf said a deal to build a Saudi military base in the country will happen “very soon.” ...
Better educate yourself theYusuuf and not just swallow what CNN and FoxNews feed you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUgVlMDbyl4

Totalitarianism is must especially in the infancy of a state or development phase. It needs at least good 50-100 years of uninterupted social progress and decisive decision making mechanism.

Once you reach a state where literacy is high, human capital strong and social equality is adequate, you can start putting a civilian form of government on the tri-cycle.
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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby balwarama » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:16 am

I think he sort of admires the Amhara and somewhat feels inferior to them, culturally and statebuildingwise, but he wouldnt want to live under them if he grew up in Daroor,that Im sure. I think both of you heard about, how the youngsters from the Hawd flock to Hargeisa, even the once that finished School. When ever they are asked, why arent they working there and furnishing that part of Idoor. They use the Ogaden domination card but believe me that is not the underlying issue. It is because they just want to live in the land of the free. It is human nature and nothing to be surprised about

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby AwRastaale » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:35 am

I think he sort of admires the Amhara and somewhat feels inferior to them, culturally and statebuildingwise, but he wouldnt want to live under them if he grew up in Daroor,that Im sure. I think both of you heard about, how the youngsters from the Hawd flock to Hargeisa, even the once that finished School. When ever they are asked, why arent they working there and furnishing that part of Idoor. They use the Ogaden domination card but believe me that is not the underlying issue. It is because they just want to live in the land of the free. It is human nature and nothing to be surprised about
Stop trolling Cagdheer boy.

No body feels inferior to anyone but if you knew anything about Ethiopia, you would know that Menelik was not just an African genius but an international master of strategy.

After all he conquered your grandfathers and if you were smarter than he was you would not come under his boundaries. But he saw, he came and he conquered your grandfathers too often without firing or wasting too many bullets. He simply moved his pieces strategically around the chess board and Europeans had no choice but to give your grandfathers to him as a reward...

Now your people have not had an answer for 120 years and the next genius, Meles, got you to perform dhaanto around the silver-gorilla statue he erected :mrgreen:

That's why in my book Tewodros, Menelik II and Barre were smart politicians. Barre played big and gambled bigger. He lost many but he also saw gains and invested in them. It is rather sad that one of his investments betrayed him (TPLF) while the other EPLF has chopped Ethiopia's right arm (Eritrea). Today as a result of Eritrean secession, the likes of Djibouti, whom he was singing for in the above video, rip the fruits of that chapter (port).

Menelik II was a great African tactician. He took your entire land while sitting in his palace while your grandfathers carried small swords in the bushes.

All three men had vision and they did all they can to make it a reality. I am not biased same way an American can study and credit Stalin or even Hitler for his strategies.

I don't care if your grandfathers were Menelik's victims. I don't run counselling center.

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby PanSomaliNationalist » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:04 am

Agreed jaacle siyaad should've stayed in power longer

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby BigBreak » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:33 am

big state-monopoly crony capitalism and tribal (jeberti) fascism is what was witnessed under the afweyne dictatorship. what self respecting person would want that crap

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Re: Habrocracy Vs Marxist/Scientific Socialism

Postby GalliumerianSlayer » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:33 pm

big state-monopoly crony capitalism and tribal (jeberti) fascism is what was witnessed under the afweyne dictatorship. what self respecting person would want that crap
This the same deluded person who pretends to be Isaaq for the past couple of years :-@ iska amuus


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