Somali and arabic language

[hoa]

I am currently learning Arabic online. From Hadith to the alphabets to later Quran. I can tell u--with me knowing absolutely NOTHNG about Arabic-- I can understand at least 25% of the wordings due to my Aaaf Somali--which tells me a lot. Sometimes even 35%!

Are you stupid? You do realise the absolute majority of our religious words are loanwords of Arabic, NOT Somali.

Our language is filled with loanwords, dont try and act like the words you recognised are all native Somali words, dont make me laugh.
Somali is Cushitic, get over it

[hoa]

You are 100% correct.

They only think that the two languages are far apart because they don't speak Arabic.

The deep rooted similarities between the two languages is actually mind blowing.

The reason why these cadaan gaalo idiots who classify languages separated the classification has more to do with politics and the division of Muslim, and Semitic people.

I know it might be mind blowing for some kids, but we are actually an ancient Semitic people, akin to other south Semites like the Mahra, Soqotris, Harasis etc

Numbers are normally similar in all language groups. Let's compare our numbers to Arabic and other Semitic languages and Cushitic languages...

List the similarities then... you're just going to show me a bunch of Arabic loanwords.....

Sxb languages do not have to have or share exactly same numerics or even similar sounding numbers or words in order to belong in the same family.

Though Somali is classed as a Cushitic language by Orientalist linguistic scholars (who are for certain motivated and agenda driven), It is very plausible that Somali language to be related to Arabic, Hibrew and some of the other Sematic languages much more so than the Cushitic languages. I will even go further and say that Arabic is a decedent of the Somali language.

As if white people give a crap about if Somali is classed with Arabic or not

Your analysis is hilarious and you clearly are stupid for believing that the arabic loanwords we have means it makes us closer to Arabic
Its Cushitic, either study properly or stop giving false opinions and wanting to be arab so hadly

[OAF]

interesting debate.

One thing i want you guys to explain is why did we loan so much words?

[hoa]

interesting debate.

One thing i want you guys to explain is why did we loan so much words?

Religion firstly
And proximity and lack of words in our language
Farsi has more arabic, and hebrew is similar to arabic, more than somali

[Gaashaanle1000]

Somali is related to Arabic through one ancestor. Cushitic languages and Somali have a common ancestor, in which this ancestor has an ancestor that the ancestor of Semitic languages have.
That is how they are related.

Having similar numbers does mean something, none of the numbers Semitic languages have, Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic, etc. are borrowed off each other, all of these languages share these numbers from a proto-Semitic ancestor. Somali clearly shares it with a proto-Cushitic ancestor.

Now to your next point:
So what if Oromo doesn't have sounds like ع and ح??? Why does everyone always bring up this point. Phonology plays little when languages are classed into groups.

Do Spanish and Italian have the guttural French R? Why are they classed together.
Doesn't matter if a letter is pronounced differently, if the root is the same, it is similar. Heck even Hebrew doesn't have ع ق ح , why don't you contest this?

The Arabic root as I said, for 'to see' is r-'-y ر ء ي . I just done a quick lookup and the root for 'to see' in Tigrinya is r-'-y as well. This is what is similar. They literally have the same exact root, not a coincidence unlike our word for it.

'SEE' in Oromo is arkuu, what have you got to say about this........

For one Hebrew is a revived language hence it is not the same as the ancient variant.

As for Cushitic, I do not speak Oromo, but I do speak Somali and Arabic, hence why I know there is a deep similarity.

I for one suspect that Cushitic is just another form of south Semitic that migrated into the horn a long time ago, being influenced by various native Horn African languages present at the time, for example Omotic and Nilo Saharan.

However the so called Cushitic languages retain various amounts of their original purity, with Somali being among the purest.

[hoa]

Somali is related to Arabic through one ancestor. Cushitic languages and Somali have a common ancestor, in which this ancestor has an ancestor that the ancestor of Semitic languages have.
That is how they are related.

Having similar numbers does mean something, none of the numbers Semitic languages have, Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic, etc. are borrowed off each other, all of these languages share these numbers from a proto-Semitic ancestor. Somali clearly shares it with a proto-Cushitic ancestor.

Now to your next point:
So what if Oromo doesn't have sounds like ع and ح??? Why does everyone always bring up this point. Phonology plays little when languages are classed into groups.

Do Spanish and Italian have the guttural French R? Why are they classed together.
Doesn't matter if a letter is pronounced differently, if the root is the same, it is similar. Heck even Hebrew doesn't have ع ق ح , why don't you contest this?

The Arabic root as I said, for 'to see' is r-'-y ر ء ي . I just done a quick lookup and the root for 'to see' in Tigrinya is r-'-y as well. This is what is similar. They literally have the same exact root, not a coincidence unlike our word for it.

'SEE' in Oromo is arkuu, what have you got to say about this........

For one Hebrew is a revived language hence it is not the same as the ancient variant.

As for Cushitic, I do not speak Oromo, but I do speak Somali and Arabic, hence why I know there is a deep similarity.

I for one suspect that Cushitic is just another form of south Semitic that migrated into the horn a long time ago, being influenced by various native Horn African languages present at the time, for example Omotic and Nilo Saharan.

However the so called Cushitic languages retain various amounts of their original purity, with Somali being among the purest.

Written Modern Hebrew is almost the same as Biblical Hebrew.

Well there I have given an example of arkaa being arkuu in Oromo, so instead of focusing just on Arabic, start to focus on the languages that are very similar to Somali first, rather than a language that's not even in the same group.

Cushitic is not Semitic at all, believe what you want but there are no similarities apart from a bunch of Arabic loanwords and some proto-AfroAsiatic words.

[AwRastaale]

Arabic and Somali are not close at all.

Somali is full of loan Arabic words especially in the northern regions (SL, Djib, DDSI).

[hoa]

Arabic and Somali are not close at all.

Somali is full of loan Arabic words especially in the northern regions (SL, Djib, DDSI).

Thank you
These people dont know how languages are classed

[AwRastaale]

Arabic and Somali are not close at all.

Somali is full of loan Arabic words especially in the northern regions (SL, Djib, DDSI).

Thank you
These people dont know how languages are classed

True.

Those loan Arabic words are in many languages including Hindi.

They may as well add Hindi to their list.

Classical Somali has nothing common with Arabic.

100 years from today there is great chance Somali will have more English loan words than Somali words from 50 years ago.

Will they say Somali is related to English?

Arabic invaded Somali coz of religion and the taught--few book folks.

[Gaashaanle1000]

Arabic and Somali are not close at all.

Somali is full of loan Arabic words especially in the northern regions (SL, Djib, DDSI).

Thank you
These people dont know how languages are classed

Do either of you speak any of the languages we are talking about?

Just because you say something is a certain way, and because you think the words of some John Smith are the end all and be all, does not make it true!

Also Arag, Arkuu, ارى are all of the same sound and meaning. This does not invalidate anything, nor do similarities existing between so called Cushitic languages mean that my point is invalid. The two things are mutually exclusive and just further highlights my point that Cushitic and Semitic should be placed in the same sub family.

You act like you are some kind of language authority, and yet you hardly even speak or know the languages you are debating.

Science and classification of things is always up for debate. It also requires a thorough methodology including deep knowledge of the thing you are researching.

Also the fact that you think ancient biblical hebrew is the same as modern Hebrew (which is completely different) just highlights your lack of knowledge and ignorance being displayed!

[paperino]

In addition, Somali also contains old Qahtani words, common to Cushitic and Semitic languages.

https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/me ... Update.pdf

[hoa]

Arabic and Somali are not close at all.

Somali is full of loan Arabic words especially in the northern regions (SL, Djib, DDSI).

Thank you
These people dont know how languages are classed

Do either of you speak any of the languages we are talking about?

Just because you say something is a certain way, and because you think the words of some John Smith are the end all and be all, does not make it true!

Also Arag, Arkuu, ارى are all of the same sound and meaning. This does not invalidate anything, nor do similarities existing between so called Cushitic languages mean that my point is invalid. The two things are mutually exclusive and just further highlights my point that Cushitic and Semitic should be placed in the same sub family.

You act like you are some kind of language authority, and yet you hardly even speak or know the languages you are debating.

Science and classification of things is always up for debate. It also requires a thorough methodology including deep knowledge of the thing you are researching.

Also the fact that you think ancient biblical hebrew is the same as modern Hebrew (which is completely different) just highlights your lack of knowledge and ignorance being displayed!

I said it's almost the same

They are in the same family, Afro Asiatic.
Why are you so desperate for Somali to be classed in with the Semitic languages? You've provided nothing but a bunch of words that are not even related.
You really haven't studied Semitic or Cushitic languages. The amount of things Semitic languages share amongst each other is beyond your knowledge, Somali does not fit in it.

Provide some evidence why Somali is Semitic and not Cushitic then we will start talking. To say Cushitic and Semitic should be all in one group is desperate and seems like you are begging it. Cushitic languages are different to Semitic.

[Gaashaanle1000]

Thank you
These people dont know how languages are classed

Do either of you speak any of the languages we are talking about?

Just because you say something is a certain way, and because you think the words of some John Smith are the end all and be all, does not make it true!

Also Arag, Arkuu, ارى are all of the same sound and meaning. This does not invalidate anything, nor do similarities existing between so called Cushitic languages mean that my point is invalid. The two things are mutually exclusive and just further highlights my point that Cushitic and Semitic should be placed in the same sub family.

You act like you are some kind of language authority, and yet you hardly even speak or know the languages you are debating.

Science and classification of things is always up for debate. It also requires a thorough methodology including deep knowledge of the thing you are researching.

Also the fact that you think ancient biblical hebrew is the same as modern Hebrew (which is completely different) just highlights your lack of knowledge and ignorance being displayed!

I said it's almost the same

They are in the same family, Afro Asiatic.
Why are you so desperate for Somali to be classed in with the Semitic languages? You've provided nothing but a bunch of words that are not even related.
You really haven't studied Semitic or Cushitic languages. The amount of things Semitic languages share amongst each other is beyond your knowledge, Somali does not fit in it.

Provide some evidence why Somali is Semitic and not Cushitic then we will start talking. To say Cushitic and Semitic should be all in one group is desperate and seems like you are begging it. Cushitic languages are different to Semitic.

Oh the irony, you have literally provided nothing to this thread apart from regurgitated opinions without even bothering to provide an iota of evidence apart from your poor deconstruction of my arguments.

I find your whole stance lazy and dishonest, you pretend to be speaking from a place of more knowledge (cooning for Dr Smith, Jones and co) and yet only repeat nonsense like modern hebrew is the same as ancient.

You do not speak or have ever bothered to study the language and subject at hand. I will not go out of my way to spoon feed such a dishonest intellectually lazy stance.

But I will write a book on the subject one of these days Allah willing.

[thelucky1]

Honestly its not a big deal.

[hoa]

Do either of you speak any of the languages we are talking about?

Just because you say something is a certain way, and because you think the words of some John Smith are the end all and be all, does not make it true!

Also Arag, Arkuu, ارى are all of the same sound and meaning. This does not invalidate anything, nor do similarities existing between so called Cushitic languages mean that my point is invalid. The two things are mutually exclusive and just further highlights my point that Cushitic and Semitic should be placed in the same sub family.

You act like you are some kind of language authority, and yet you hardly even speak or know the languages you are debating.

Science and classification of things is always up for debate. It also requires a thorough methodology including deep knowledge of the thing you are researching.

Also the fact that you think ancient biblical hebrew is the same as modern Hebrew (which is completely different) just highlights your lack of knowledge and ignorance being displayed!

I said it's almost the same

They are in the same family, Afro Asiatic.
Why are you so desperate for Somali to be classed in with the Semitic languages? You've provided nothing but a bunch of words that are not even related.
You really haven't studied Semitic or Cushitic languages. The amount of things Semitic languages share amongst each other is beyond your knowledge, Somali does not fit in it.

Provide some evidence why Somali is Semitic and not Cushitic then we will start talking. To say Cushitic and Semitic should be all in one group is desperate and seems like you are begging it. Cushitic languages are different to Semitic.

Oh the irony, you have literally provided nothing to this thread apart from regurgitated opinions without even bothering to provide an iota of evidence apart from your poor deconstruction of my arguments.

I find your whole stance lazy and dishonest, you pretend to be speaking from a place of more knowledge (cooning for Dr Smith, Jones and co) and yet only repeat nonsense like modern hebrew is the same as ancient.

You do not speak or have ever bothered to study the language and subject at hand. I will not go out of my way to spoon feed such a dishonest intellectually lazy stance.

But I will write a book on the subject one of these days Allah willing.

You're wrong get over it, Somali is Cushitic, Arabic is Semitic and 20+ other languages are closer to it than Somali is.

Next you'll attempt to say it is more closer to Arabic than Hebrew, Amharic, Mehri and others are