How the Muslim Oromos resisted the crusades of emperor tewodros of abyssinia!

[Waachis]

''Shortly after his coronation in 1855, Tewodros marched to Wollo and fought against three rival Oromo leaders, killing one, capturing the 2nd, and defeating the 34d. For the next 10 years Tewodros marched several times in Wollo, devastating, burning, looting, and massacring the people. Violent terrorism characterized his campaigns in Wollo. And yet Tewodros was never be able to crush the resistance of the Muslim population in Wollo. The reasons for the tenacious Muslim resistance were:

Firstly, Tewodros's policy of indiscriminate devastation and destruction of the land and the deportation of some of the people; and secondly, his clearly anti-Muslim, and even anti-Oromo stance. The leaders of the rebellion perceived Tewodros' objectives and activities as being directed not only to destroying them as a ruling class, but also to undermining the social, economic and cultural foundation of the Muslim communities themselves.

Encouraged by European Protestant missionary support, intoxicated by his ravenous ambition to destory Islam and the Oromo power, and surprised by the tenacious Muslim resistance, Tewodros spent more than 10 years destroying Wollo, by which he too was destroyed. The Muslims of Wollo, united by danger and animated by Islam, resisted Tewodros bravely before he was overwhelmed by crisis and destroyed. Hence,

As far as his stated aim of forcing Muslim Oromos into either accepting Christianity or leaving his kingdom, he utterly failed. He, not they, gave in. It is not an exaggeration to say that Tewodros committed suicide in 1868, not only because he hated to fall into British hands as a captive king, but also because he was already virtually an Oromo prisoner in the mountain fortress of Magdala. Escape was well neigh impossible.''

[In the Shadow of Conquest: Islam in Colonial Northeast Africa
edited by Said S. Samatar, Page 90]


written by a Somali Scholar of the Horn by the way....

[Khalid Ali]

Said samatar was an atheist who hates Ethiopia.
King tedros was a United of Ethiopia he was the last king after the feudal era. Said samatar is a pseudo clan scholar who left islam as a whole he is a tribalissic homosexual.

[Waachis]

Can u prove what u just Said
Also, he wrote the truth Here about Oromo

[Khalid Ali]

Google it he denied the story of the ashabulfiel

[Rado123]

most pepole is wollo are amhara muslims.
not oromos

[Waachis]

i googled his name and didn't find anything, do u have any links,
and even if it's true, what u said, he still told the truth here about oromos.

[AwRastaale]

The author is somewhat correct but not entirely.

I don’t agree that Oromo fought him under a religious banner but as rulers, governors, princes and as regionalist.

You have to know who was fighting him and were they all Muslims?

No.

The reason Atse Tewodros used the religion banner was not because he was religious fanatic but he wanted to legitimise his throne. He grabbed the power by force and defeated all warlords in Gonder.

He then argued he was the natural heiress to the throne because;

A) he was son of Solomonic
B) he was the foretold Tewodros prophecy (his birth name is Kassa Hailu, which is also Teddy Afro’s name).

At this time Ethiopian Orthodox had at least three different schools of thought. For instance the region of Gojam had its own religious doctrine, priests and was quite different from the rest. It was also autonomous until Menelik conquest thanks to Ras Ali Mohammad.

Anyways Tewodros vowed to unify them all hence he coined Tewahedo (One).

To convince people that he was their Mahdi (Tewodros) he pursued religious campaigns and vowed to eradicate all different beliefs including different sects of Orthodox, Judaism and Islam.

All kinds of people fought him often to protect their rule, regions and beliefs. But majority of people fought him to keep their autonomous rule. This was the time of Zemene Mesafint (era of princes), where so many lords, warlords, princes and govrnors ruled various districts, regions.

Even the Tigrais under Lij Kasa Mercha fought him as did Agew people in Lasta/Sekota.

Kasa would later lead the British to Tewodros’ hideout in Magdala. The British would award him with modern arms, which he used for his campaign to become Emperor Yohannes IV.

Tewodros did defeat Wollo and did invade Shoa taking young Menelik and his uncle Ras Darge hostage.

He kept them but he respected them and didn’t punish them. In fact it is said he spoiled them.

Darge, who was a renowned military man, was free to do whatever he wanted and Tewodros seeked his military skills.

Darge then freed Menelik in the hands of Ras Ali of Wollo and Workitu, Oromo queen of Wollo.

When Tewodros discovered it is said he did not punish Ras Darge.

Darge will be freed later by the British army following the battle of Magdala where Tewodros committed suicide.

Ras Darge will reunite with his nephew Menelik who will later make him the war minister and lead the Arsi, Bale and Ogaden conquest (Ras Makonnen co-leads in Ogaden and Harar).

So Tewodros fought Ras Ali and Workitu.

There is no evidence Workitu was a Muslim queen.

Ras Ali later became inlaw of Menelik after marrying his daughter who gave him Lij Iyasu.


One love.

[Waachis]

*tewodros temporarily defeated wollo, but never completely subjugated it, nor was he ever 100% in control of it.

*in the end, he died like the dog he was, a failure!...surrounded on all sides by people who hated him, oromo troops, and british troops, and no support from the common man/or woman in abyssinia.

*the wollo oromo were the ones who sent a strong, large, armed, escort to receive menelik and protect him at a time when tewodros had the upper hand and wanted him back dead or alive...

* imam ali liban, the son of the wollo queen, was killed, because she refused to give up menelik to tewodros.

*Workitu may not or may have been Muslim, most like she was, given that her sons name was Imam ALi Liban.
And the wollo oromo overwhelmingly embraced Islam to be different from the abyssinian tyrants.
and they established muslim kingdoms of fiefdoms-such as the mammadoch dynasty (in warra-himano).

*To quote the Oromo Intellectual Giant Professor Muhammad Hassan:
''For the Oromo in Wollo, Abyssinian domination and Christianity were synonymous. As Christianity was one of the pillars of Abyssinian unity, Islam became a major unifying factor for the Oromo in Wollo. From the beginning, Islam for the Wollo was part of their cultural life and a mark of their independence. It was a powerful symbol of their identity as a people and a reliable fortress against Abyssinian nationalism.''

[AwRastaale]

Waachis

I see that gou are changing the context of your original argument. Now you’re merely displaying your emotional dislike for Atse Tewodros than discuss history for purely what it was.

Atse Tewodros died for the right reason and should be example for others.

Ask yourself why he died? Did he die because the British came to save your Oromo? Did he die because Muslim nationa defeated him? Did he die in the hands of local oppositions?

Tewodros is the winner in all of this and if you know history of Ethiopia you would understand why my friend.

First of all he was killed because he wanted to improve the lives of his people; Ethiopia.

He asked Europe and the developed world to send him skilled people who can help him with reforms, educstions, roads, bridges and modernisation.

Instead Europe sent ambassadors which infuriated the emperor therefore taking them hostage.

Britain, the leader of the world, asked him to set them free. That led to the war and his death.

Now here is how he won. He always sought after the unity of Ethiopia and expansion of Ethiopia. These principles and views were exposed to young Menelik while hostage in Tewodros’ palace. Menelik also saw how Tewodros respected his uncle Ras Darge as a military genius. All these had profound impact on Menelik, his policies and conquest.

Menelik was no less Christian or fanatic than Atse Tewodros yet Ras Ali and other Oromo housed him.

How was religion a factor?

Menelik would later continue with Tewodros vision and thus complete the conquest.

Now why do you hate Tewodros but forget the man who made his dream of one Ethiopia materialise?

Tewodros was a genius.

[Waachis]

it's not emotional when i have every right and reason to hate him.
the same way i assume u hate siad barre and the somalis of the south.
look at how u talk shit about them daily. wanting ethiopia to help u invade them, u wish they stay poor and weak, u want to undermine their government, and so on, and so on.
he died because he was a tyrant, blinded by rage and fury, and made too many enemies for his self.
he thought he could bully europeans around the same way he did to innocent women and kids when he burned down their villages and massacred them...
ask yourself: why didnt meneliks mighty army help? or yohannes? or even the populace of abyssinia?
is it due to fear? nope. because when italians came, ethiopians resisted as one body. at adwa.
tewodros died, with no territory but magdala, no troops, no support from the populace, basically he died an utter failure.

he asked europe for guns, at first. he wanted guns to kill more and more people and rule them by brute force.
he did want to improve abyssinia, as well, but his main goal and desire, was to subjugate others, and get more guns.

u cannot achieve unity by killing and massacring a good portion, perhaps half, of your empires population.
hence why menelik succeeded-because he sought to integrate oromos and muslims into his empire, as opposed to the unrealistic and evil goal of killing them all, deporting the rest/and or forcefully converting them to christianity.

menelik was better than tewodros in every way. he never attempted to randomly kill people. he killed those who resisted his expansion, though, true, but he always sought submission first, with a yearly payment/or tribute....

[Waachis]

the title of this is truth. muslim oromos were the main ones resisting his crusades, and in the end, he, not they, gave up and died a failure. ....the fact remains....

[AwRastaale]

These are your opinions and you heavily injecting your own emotions into this.

We need to separate emotions and academic argument based on pure facts.

I do not hate southern Somalis nor Siad Barre. In fact, there are topics that I have dedicated to the late General.

Even if I express some dislikes for him those are my own pure opinions not academic argument.

You failed to provide any facts on this topic and your understanding of history of Ethiopia is not the best.

Menelik and Tewodros were two sides of the same coin.

Beaides, Menelik killed 100x more Oromo from Wolo, Wolega, Arsi, Borana, Shewa, Awash Valley to the jungles of Hawassa.

Menelik was an extension of Tewodros.

[Waachis]

What is just my opinion then? which post of mines is not backed by facts/historical facts?

You say u don't hate them, yet every other post, you are disrespecting them, calling them names, laughing at their plight.
So what you say, and what you do, don't match up----you're contradicting yourself.

Menelik and tewodros were very different. just because menelik learned some things from him, doesn't mean he was the same, or a carbon copy.

as i said, one sought to completely wipe out a religion and the ethnic group that adhered to it, mostly, and one (menelik) sought to integrate them into his empire.. a big difference there, between wanting to destroy an ethnic group/religious group AND wanting to integrate them and make them citizens...

and nope! you are lying again! menelik didn't kill anyone in wallaga or shewa, the oromos there submitted, peacefully, as did the ones in jimma.
wollo, sure, arsi, sure, borana sure, but not in shewa/or wallaga.
get your facts right before speaking on something u dont know!!



''By way of providing an account of the southwest regions that submitted peacefully to Menelik, Bahru writes:

''With little or no resistance, the Oromo states submitted to Menelik one after another. In the years between 1882 and 1886, Menelik was able to obtain the submission of Kumsa Moroda of Leqa-Naqamte[capital of Wallaga], Jote Tullu of Leqa Qellam, Abba Jifar of Jimma, and the rulers of other Gibe river states, as well as of Illubabor, further to the west.''

Ethnic Diversity and Federalism: Constitution Making in South Africa and Ethiopia
Book by Yonatan Tesfaye Fessha-Page 159



take notes, u can learn from me, son!

[AwRastaale]

My friend no conquest is peaceful. You need to read more and not be selective.

Those who peacefully surrounded saw the might of Menelik’s forces and had no choice but to kiss the Emperor’s ring.

I don’t need to post any links, I know Menelik brought Wolega under his fold by force via Ras Gobena Dache who by the way erected more churches than Tewodros.

Tewodros, Yohannes and Menelik all campaigned against Muslims be it the Mahdist of Sudan or the locals.

Besides these people you saying surrendered peacefully in Wollega were Muslims such as Jafar of Jimma.

On one end you wanna tell us Muslims defeated Tewodros and on another they were first to throw the towels rather than fight.

You are confused.

[Waachis]

If they submit, without a war, in exchange for paying a tribute yearly: i'd say that's peaceful enough.
as opposed to just ravaging the land, killing and enslaving the people.

of course they had no choice, the white man armed menelik to the teeth.
and his offer was better than the alternative. pay a tribute, maintain a semblance of autonomy, and you won't be killed or have your land destroyed.

you can't post links, because you've been caught in a lie. wallaga submitted to gobana and shawa, and thus avoided being killed/ravaged/enslaved/and so on. no war took place in wallaga-AT ALL-full stop-YOU LIED!

sure, they campaigned against muslims at times, but all had different tactics on how to handle the muslims and oromos who would inevitably be under their empire's boundaries.

wallaga and jimma are two different places ENTIRELY-what are u talking about? they both submitted peacefully, and the ones in wallaga became christian, most of them did, for example, moroda of leqa-naqamte was later Baptized
you are confusing two places-two distinct geographical places.

muslims resisting tewodros=one thing,
talking about some oromo states or mini states that submitted to menelik=a different thing
two different times in history.

you are the confused one.