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Beesha Barakeysan

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Voltage » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:22 pm

The 1966 UNESCO Report for the Somali Government

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0015/0 ... 8072eb.pdf

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The United Nations researchers recommending Shire Jama's script for use in Somali if Latin will be chosen. Notice they have also evaluted the script by Muuse Galaal (co-developed with Andrjewski who is part of the UN research).

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Voltage » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:22 pm

The 1972 Official Somali Script Choice

http://dspace-roma3.caspur.it/bitstream ... istory.pdf

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Only Shire's script since 1961 and the First Somali Language Commission could pass muster and so then became the Offical Somali Writing System

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Voltage » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:37 pm

Finally, the question is not whether Muuse Galaal was a scholar (whom even I respect unlike the resentful type who try to deny people their due because of tribalism).

The question is whether Muuse Galaal is the Father of our script.

The answer is no.

As for the pointless footnote you keep peddling, English may not be your first language but the assertion in the footnote is that Muuse helped inspire Shire, already a respected academic, into cultural literature. He did. Shire started writing Rooxaan and other cultural material dealing with history and culture.

Here is how B.W Andrjewzki (the man who did all that with Muuse) explains it detailing both how they influenced Shire's cultural anthropology while simultaneously giving him credit for the Somali script as well as his popularity in making Somali cultural academia much more widespread than either he or Muuse could.

http://dspace-roma3.caspur.it/bitstream ... nguage.pdf

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Ben Dover » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:32 pm

I have been patient, but these base-born boons have no shame claiming other people's decades of hard gruelling work and subsequent achievements.

This particular individual Voltage has been caught numerous times lying and fabricating history in an attempt to establish his minor clan within Somali lore. Claiming anything from the first Somali to fly (turns out its a Hawiye man), to making the ridiculous claim that the name (Xiraabu Goita Theodorous) is actually an authentic Somali name, just to avoid the embarrassment of explaining away why his ancestor had a pagan, non-muslim name. To now having the cheek to regurgitate the same false claim he'd been peddling that a minor figure in publishing, belonging to his clan, and a known follower of the great Muse Galaal, had in fact "invented" the Somali script, a claim that was exposed numerous times on Snet by of Xplaya and Xildiid.

Whats particularly disturbing is the boons' tireless attempts to discredit Muse X. Ismaaciil Galaal, a man who diligently served all Somalis with his scholarship and promotion of Somali studies/language/folklore/science for decades. And even going as far as belittling the great man by making groundless comparisons with one of his followers, their own Shire.

So perhaps a good place to start is a quick introduction of who was Muse X. Ismaaciil Galaal?

Muse X. Ismaaciil Galaal was not a man who can be defined by a single feat (even if that feat is the creation of the Somali script, which he did). His contribution to the study of Somali language, culture and folklore is unmatched to this day. He was described by his contemporaries as a "living Somali encyclopedia", a "national authority on the Somali language" and "the most important and well-known scholar of Somali folklore":

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Not only was he a pioneer of studying Somali folklore, he was the first Somali ever to receive professional training in modern phonetics and he also lead the establishment of the Somali Studies International Association. This answers the ridiculous claim above that Shire can be credited for "making Somali cultural academia much more widespread than [...] Muuse could" by Voltage above.

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The fact that Somali was not yet written was seen by scholars of the time as an inhibiting factor in Muse Galaal's career and output, and argue that he would have been even more prolific had there been a Somali script he can use in his scholarship. One can now begin to understand the motives driving the zeal with which Galaal tackled the issue of Somali orthography.

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Postby Ben Dover » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:39 pm

Muse Galaal travelled the world over on his quest to developing a Somali orthography. He toured France, China, the United States, the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, Canada, Kenya and other countries in Europe and Africa to find a suitable system of transcription.

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He was beyond being someone who published a monthly pamphlet, like Shire. Galaal was a poet, orator, historian, sheekh, linguist, teacher, polymath, astronomer, broadcaster, with deep expertise in Somali weather lore and traditional science. In addition to being the greatest Somali scholar of his generation, he helped spread knowledge of Somali linguistics and oral history in his capacity as a broadcaster. He also trained scholars both Somalis and foreigners:

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Just to illustrate the absurdity of attempting to put someone like Shire next to a giant like Galaal, please see how both men and their areas of expertise/knowledge are described by scholars below:

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Muse Galaal's area of expertise: Folklore, linguistics, ethnology, history, government, politics, law, religion.

Shire's area of expertise: Folklore, linguistics.

We are dealing with two completely different levels of scholarship here. A local collector of folklore in Shire, against the most knowledgable Somali scholar of his time, the man responsible for putting Somali Studies on the map in Galaal.

Galaal began researching and working to develop a Latin script in 1950 with Andrzejewski, ten full years before Shire even started studying phonetics at school, and more than two entire decades before the official adoption of the script Galaal created with Andrzejewski.

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Ben Dover » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:51 pm

In fact, it so happens that Shire was a student of Galaal's partner Andrzejewski between the years 1958-1959:

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As stated above, I. M. Lewis, the greatest Western authority on Somali history is clear that Muse Galal is one of the main inventors and advocates of the new Latin script adopted in 1972:

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Notice two things here. The script used by Galaal in Hikmad Soomaali is described by Lewis as an earlier version of the present Latin script we use today. Also how Lewis does not elevate Shire anywhere near Galaal in describing him as a local scholar who was inspired by Galaal. This is contrasted with the clear description of Galaal by Lewis discussed above as one of the main inventors.

As we saw earlier, Shire is almost always described as a follower of Galaal, or inspired by Galaal, or a student of Andrzejewski (Galaal's partner):

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"The system of writing they used [they meaning Galaal and his follower Shire], which finally became the Somali national orthography."

Let me conclude with an example of just how dishonest and deceitful Voltage is. We have seen above an embarrassing example of his cousin (Kismayo something or the other) making up claims and citing sources that do not support his claims. Voltage, in the quote below, is being similarly disingenuous, cutting up and presenting a passage to suite his false narrative:

Voltage presented this passage:

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He left out the most important part of that article, the bit that deals directly with the creation of the Somali script, and the changes made until it ended up the way we use it today. Read below the bit omitted by Voltage:

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When you read both parts, a few things become clear:

- Muse Galaal returned to Somaliland in 1955. And started collecting oral poetry and prose using the Latin script he had created. He also trained a group of Somalis to use it.

- He published A Somali Poetic Combat with Andrzejewski. In this article he used an identical script to the Somali script we use today, including the letters (dh) and (c) and complete with the double vowels (aa, oo, ee) exactly how we use it today. The only difference was his use of (ch) instead of the current (x).

- Muse Galaal's publications reached Shire, who was then just a collector of Somali oral literature. Note how Voltage's own source clearly states that Shire used the same transcription created by Galaal in "A Somali Poetic Combat".

- Whereas Muse Galaal introduced virtually every aspect of the Somali orthography together with Andrzejewski, Shire's only contribution to the actual script is the replacing of Galaal's (ch) with (x). Nothing else. This is clearly stated in the source Voltage used, which is why he omitted that paragraph. Galaal's script had every other element from the double vowel (oo, aa, ee) to the (dh) to the (c). Shire only added (x), and we are not even sure he added that as other scripts at the time used the (x) symbol.

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Postby Ben Dover » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:53 pm

This same point is reiterated in multiple other scholarly sources:

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"Following in his [Galaal's] footsteps, but modifying his system of transcription slightly [by add just X], another scholar....."

Please also note how Galaal is described as the "the greatest pioneer in this field".

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"The official script was to be the Andrzejewski-Galaal version, with one change (x for ch)".

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"the alphabet Andrzejewski and Galaal had produced with the help of the London School of Oriental and African Studies and Professor Firth. Sole exception to their recommendations: their <ch> became <x>".

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"One of the results of the work of Andrzejewski and Galaal was the final choice in 1972 of a modified Roman script as the official orthography"

I can go on.

This is the orthography the text above was referring to, used by Galaal in A Somali Poetic Combat, published in 1963, read it for yourselves to see if its any different from the Somali script we use today:

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Apart from the use of ch for x, it is identical to the latin script we have today.

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Ben Dover » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:59 pm

It is an irrefutable fact that the Somali script as we have (minus the X) was the creation of Muse X. Ismaaciil Galaal. It is obviously fairer to say that it was a group effort with the most prominent members of the group being Galaal and Andrzejewski, who together created the script and published it and advocated for the use of of a Latin script since the 1950s.

We owe these men a great debt of gratitude for the thankless job they started in 1950 and finished in 1972. It is unacceptable for these clannish rats to try and steal their glory and ascribe it to their kin when he was a student and a follower of Galaal and Andrzejewski, and used the Latin script that they created in his own publications.

Shire is a minor part of this story, his biggest asset was his links to Afweyne without-which he would not be part of this discussion at all.

Dont let me see you try this again.

The true father of the Somali script ladies and gentlemen:

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Muse Al Xaaj Ibraahim Galaal.

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Voltage » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:43 pm

Spamming the page with information I agree with is getting quite tiresome. Again;
Finally, the question is not whether Muuse Galaal was a scholar (whom even I respect unlike the resentful type who try to deny people their due because of tribalism).

The question is whether Muuse Galaal is the Father of our script.

The answer is no.
To the rest of your gibberish;

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Ben Dover » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:51 pm

You clearly felt compelled to say something back despite not having anything of substance to retort with, hence the 'reply' above :)

Its ok boon, you can go into hiding just like you do every time your cheap propaganda is exposed.

(remember that one time you claimed Xiraabu Goita Theodorous is an authentic Somali name? :lol: )

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Voltage » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:59 pm

What's there to respond to?

I posted;

1. 1961 Somali language commission choosing Shire's script
2. 1966 UNESCO report recommending Shire's script
3. 1972 Somali language commission choosing Shire's script.

Along with that I have posted a video of Prof Martin explaining everything in detail as well as various articles giving Shire credit for being the Father of our script.

You have brought information relating to Muuse being a...scholar?

Very silly and juvenile just like most of what you attempt to do here.

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Ben Dover » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:16 pm

There is no argument to be had I am afraid. Your little clannish push to credit your unknown uncle backfired.

What you see above is:

- The actual script Galaal created and your Shire copied and changed a single letter in (ch --> x) being the one we use today. This was taken from your own source which you disingenuously omitted from your post hoping no one will see. Your desperation was the end of you.

- The consensus of scholarship clearly stating the official Somali script is the one created by Galaal. No one gives a shit who "submitted" it.

- You've attempted to equate your Shire to the giant that was Galaal. That too backfired so gloriously as you can see.

I have posted a complete timeline of events and research, spanning more than 20 years that led to the creation of the Somali script using Latin orthography we use today. You claimed some unknown uncle of yours who was a student and follower of Galaal "invented" the Somali script.

Now who is being juvenile? :)

You are spent, boon, be gone.

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Re: Beesha Barakeysan

Postby Voltage » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:59 pm

If it makes you feel better :lol:


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