Welcome to SomaliNet Forums, a friendly and gigantic Somali centric active community. Login to hide this block

You are currently viewing this page as a guest. By joining our community you will have the ability to post topics, ask questions, educate others, use the advanced search, subscribe to threads and access many, many other features. Registration is quick, simple and absolutely free. Join SomaliNet forums today! Please note that registered members with over 50 posts see no ads whatsoever! Are you new to SomaliNet? These forums with millions of posts are just one section of a much larger site. Just visit the front page and use the top links to explore deep into SomaliNet oasis, Somali singles, Somali business directory, Somali job bank and much more. Click here to login. If you need to reset your password, click here. If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Daily chitchat on Somali politics.

Moderator: Moderators

OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE
User avatar
AwRastaale
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 7030
Joined: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:09 am

Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby AwRastaale » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:16 am

One of the legacies of Siad Barre and the scientific socialist government.

It was dubbed bar ama baro (either teach or learn).



Great leader he was betrayed by his people and brought down by his lack of grooming not only an individual but a system to replace him and build up on his legacy.

abodu
SomaliNetizen
SomaliNetizen
Posts: 843
Joined: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:18 pm

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby abodu » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:12 am

This is typical garxajis dhaqan.

Afweyne, markey idiinku jurto.
Siad bare (the hero) markey dhiidhi idinla gasho.
Go buy yourself a big bkue flag aad huwatid sidey dabeecadiinu tahay ileyn Allah siyaasada idinka curyaamiye.

Ala maxa dhakh ciil qabta siad bare qabrigiisa ku xoqata.

SACAD MUUSE...KUSOO DHAWOOW, MAGAALADI RA'GA!

User avatar
qoraxeey
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 20358
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:37 pm
Location: Im special

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby qoraxeey » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:13 am

whats wrong with the blue somali flag :lol: :lol: :? :roll: :roll:

abodu
SomaliNetizen
SomaliNetizen
Posts: 843
Joined: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:18 pm

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby abodu » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:22 am

Nothing, if you believe/love it.

User avatar
Django
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:52 am

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby Django » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:37 am

This is typical garxajis dhaqan.

Afweyne, markey idiinku jurto.
Siad bare (the hero) markey dhiidhi idinla gasho.
Go buy yourself a big bkue flag aad huwatid sidey dabeecadiinu tahay ileyn Allah siyaasada idinka curyaamiye.

Ala maxa dhakh ciil qabta siad bare qabrigiisa ku xoqata.

SACAD MUUSE...KUSOO DHAWOOW, MAGAALADI RA'GA!
Langaab wa ahlu naar somalis say this look hiw this midgan is full of cuqdaad.

User avatar
Murax
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 24558
Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:45 am

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby Murax » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:55 am

In life you have highs, lows, valleys and peaks. Somalia’s peak was right up to the war with Ethiopia. After that defeat things went downhill quick. Poverty, drought, gaajo appeared, followed by a a Government that started to show some serious cracks and rebel groups supported by Ethiopia ready to take advantage. In a perfect world there would have been a mature opposition that did not have a tribal/regional vision but a national vision that could fill the vaccum.

User avatar
X.Playa
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 15501
Joined: Sun Mar 17, 2002 7:00 pm
Location: Canada,Hawd

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby X.Playa » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:02 am

In life you have highs, lows, valleys and peaks. Somalia’s peak was right up to the war with Ethiopia. After that defeat things went downhill quick. Poverty, drought, gaajo appeared, followed by a a Government that started to show some serious cracks and rebel groups supported by Ethiopia ready to take advantage. In a perfect world there would have been a mature opposition that did not have a tribal/regional vision but a national vision that could fill the vaccum.
That doesn't absolve your uncle Afweyne from initiating clan nepotism and Daarood supremacy as early as the 1970s creating 7 new provinces for his Daarood and ceasing all farm lands for his clan, .

User avatar
Ben Dover
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 4337
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:08 pm
Location: getrichathome.co.uk
Contact:

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby Ben Dover » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:10 am

In life you have highs, lows, valleys and peaks. Somalia’s peak was right up to the war with Ethiopia. After that defeat things went downhill quick. Poverty, drought, gaajo appeared, followed by a a Government that started to show some serious cracks and rebel groups supported by Ethiopia ready to take advantage. In a perfect world there would have been a mature opposition that did not have a tribal/regional vision but a national vision that could fill the vaccum.
Cheap Kacaanist talking-points that go against all the data we have. The Somali Republic was a mismanaged shithole even prior to the war with Ethiopia. You can actually look up the data and see for yourself. The problem is many kacaan apologists conflate the state of the whole nation with the opulence seen in Mogadishu. Yes, your Darod relatives were probably living a life beyond their wildest imaginations after being lifted from BuuloXaawo and given access to Booli Qaran, but the rest of the country, by any economic measure you want to use, lived in abject poverty with no way out.

With regards to the kacaanists' favourite point they bring up when they try to make Afweyne seem like a capable leader, i.e. literacy campaign, it was an abysmal failure and missed its stated objective by a huge margin. The Afweyne regime attempted to lie and present it as a success story, until his lie was busted:

Image

User avatar
X.Playa
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 15501
Joined: Sun Mar 17, 2002 7:00 pm
Location: Canada,Hawd

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby X.Playa » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:50 pm

In life you have highs, lows, valleys and peaks. Somalia’s peak was right up to the war with Ethiopia. After that defeat things went downhill quick. Poverty, drought, gaajo appeared, followed by a a Government that started to show some serious cracks and rebel groups supported by Ethiopia ready to take advantage. In a perfect world there would have been a mature opposition that did not have a tribal/regional vision but a national vision that could fill the vaccum.
Cheap Kacaanist talking-points that go against all the data we have. The Somali Republic was a mismanaged shithole even prior to the war with Ethiopia. You can actually look up the data and see for yourself. The problem is many kacaan apologists conflate the state of the whole nation with the opulence seen in Mogadishu. Yes, your Darod relatives were probably living a life beyond their wildest imaginations after being lifted from BuuloXaawo and given access to Booli Qaran, but the rest of the country, by any economic measure you want to use, lived in abject poverty with no way out.

With regards to the kacaanists' favourite point they bring up when they try to make Afweyne seem like a capable leader, i.e. literacy campaign, it was an abysmal failure and missed its stated objective by a huge margin. The Afweyne regime attempted to lie and present it as a success story, until his lie was busted:

Image
24% in the 1990s explains a lot , in the 1980s , 60% of SNA couldn't read the very identification they demanded from the people before they robbed them or jailed them.

User avatar
Voltage
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 26898
Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:33 pm
Location: Sheikh Voltage ibn Guleid-Shire al-Garbaharawi, Oil Baron

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby Voltage » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:52 pm

That's a beautiful part of Somali history. Thank you for sharing. It's magnificent to witness what a recently freed poor country in post-colonial Africa that was upwards of 90% nomadic herdsmen without a written script until couple years prior was able to achieve.

Bendover, Somaliland has been in existence far longer than Siad Barre was in power and here in the end of 2018, everything it has done for its people is not worth a footnote. I think that should be more your concern than ghosts of the past.

User avatar
dalalos101
SomaliNetizen
SomaliNetizen
Posts: 787
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:26 pm

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby dalalos101 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:11 am

Aw I bet you every middle class family on Snet had a parent or uncle/aunty who participated in Bar ama Baro campaign in Shabelle and Bay/Bakool region, teach the real Somali to the other, I know both my parents took part in this, and I have endless aunties and uncles who did the same. Siad Barre did alot of stuff i didnt agree with, especially when it come to developing Marehan regions, but no one can say he wanst a Somali natalionist to the core, we take alot from his school of thought even though we disagree on some things. Kacaan 4life!!!

User avatar
Murax
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 24558
Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:45 am

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby Murax » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:28 am

X Playa/ Ben Dover,

You guys will only look at things from a warped, narrow prism centered on your clan and won’t dare to think outside the box so what do u want me to do? It is a fact no matter how you look at that Somalia had a peak in the 70s where thr people were united with a single purpose. I did acknowledge serious cracks formed in the Government after the Ogaden war however were there opposition groups with a national strategy and vision ready to fill the vaccum? No. Only splinter groups with plans for their regions at best and a neighbor in Ethiopia that obviously wanted MSB gone and ready to support.

User avatar
zidane88
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2919
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:57 pm

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby zidane88 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:25 am

At least people had free education and healthcare then unlike today where you have to pay US dollar for it. Can anyone argue about that?

User avatar
Ben Dover
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 4337
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:08 pm
Location: getrichathome.co.uk
Contact:

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby Ben Dover » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:07 am

Voltage, your comparison is flawed. Barre came at a time the whole world looked upon the region favourably and were willing to provide ridiculous amounts of financial and military aid to the Somali Republic in the backdrop of the cold war. It was a once-ever opportunity that Barre squandered, like he squandered many other opportunities following his coup. The Somali Republic was a beggar state, completely reliant on international aid and handouts for its survival. To imagine someone failing that spectacularly, especially given that he came to power at a time when the country was unified, and whilst he had access to unimaginable aid packages just speaks of how incompetent Barre was.

Somaliland has no de jure international recognition like the Somali Republic had so is effectively unable to apply for loans etc, nor does it have access to the level of international aid that Barre had (Somali Republic was the largest per head recipient of aid in all of Africa). Yet despite these crippling conditions managed to rebuild from ground zero after our cities were flattened, and is today the only functioning part of the former Somali Republic. That is much more impressive than a road built by China or a factory donated by the Soviet Union.

User avatar
Ben Dover
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 4337
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:08 pm
Location: getrichathome.co.uk
Contact:

Re: Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

Postby Ben Dover » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:16 am

Murax,

No one is looking at things from a warped clannist viewpoint other than you kacaan apologists, supporting Barre just because he hails from your clan. What I am offering you is a look at the Somali Republic, not based on my clan bias nor yours, but on objective published data available.

I challenge you to look at the numbers.

Was the country not a beggar state completely reliant on aid? Why are you lot fantasising about the Somali Republic as if it was an up-and-coming powerhouse ala 'Asian Tigers'? We already saw how shockingly low the literacy rates were by 1990 (24%), do you want to compare these figures to other African countries?

How about GDP, and GDP per capita? The Somali Republic had a GDP of of $1.3 Billion in the 80s, that is incredibly low even when compared to subsaharan Africa. To give you an example, Madagascar (yes Madagascar!) had a GDP of $3.5 Billion at the time.

How was the deficit like? How about inflation rates?

It is you Kacaan apologists who view the Barre regime exclusively through rose-tinted, subjective, clannist prism, and refuse to discuss objective facts and data. It is because you know deep down that Barre colossally mismanaged the country, and that your former illegal privileged lives in Mogadishu were not the norm across the nation.

And please, blaming opposition groups is a cop-out. They fought to free the land from Barre's tyranny, anything else was secondary to that goal. Besides, it was almost impossible to have a national strategy since Barre poisoned that well by being the first Somali President to make a policy of arming clans against other clans. He takes the responsibility for not only refusing to give up power peacefully, but also for the qabyaalad disease that he introduced and was catalyst for everything thats happening today.


OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE

Hello, Has your question been answered on this page? We hope yes. If not, you can start a new thread and post your question(s). It is free to join. You can also search our over a million pages (just scroll up and use our site-wide search box) or browse the forums.

  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Politics - General Discussions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests