after their consultation with stakeholders IC releases statement on..

[sahal80]

Stakeholders(Regional presidents) plus xisbiyada muqdisho demand has prevailed wich states No term extension. anaa ka taliya dalka ha i dhaafto!




19 Dec
2019
INTERNATIONAL PARTNERS JOINT PRESS STATEMENT ON ELECTIONS IN SOMALIA
Mogadishu – Somalia’s international partners* reaffirm the importance of timely and effective preparations of the 2020/21 federal elections.

At the Somalia Partnership Forum on 2 October, the Federal Government committed to enact the Electoral law and the amended Political Parties Law by December 2019. The Government further pledged to include at least 30 per cent minimum quota for the representation of women in parliament in line with commitments made before the previous electoral cycle; to establish security arrangements to allow as wide a participation of the Somali voting population as possible; and to conclude the electoral processes on the basis of credible, peaceful, “one person, one vote” free and fair elections by the end of 2020/early 2021. These undertakings are based on long-standing pledges by a wide range of Somali leaders to hold a direct, ‘one person, one vote’ elections in 2020/21. The partners urge the fulfilment of these commitments.

In recent days, international partners have held consultations with the National Independent Electoral Commission (NIEC), the Speaker of the House of the People and the Speaker of the Upper House of the Federal Parliament, the Somali Federal Police Commissioner in his capacity as Chairman of the Electoral Security Task Force and Prime Minister Hassan Khaire. The partners took stock of progress and commended these Somali authorities for the election-related tasks accomplished to date.

In line with the commitments made by the Federal Government and other Somali stakeholders, the partners urge that the future election model should:

Respect the Constitution;
Ensure that the federal elections are held on time in late 2020/early 2021, without extension of the terms of the Executive or Parliament;
Ensure fair representation of all Somali communities;
Afford the Somali people the opportunity to directly elect their representatives through “one person, one vote”;
Include a role for political parties in the elections;
Guarantee a minimum of 30 per cent representation for women in the Federal Parliament;
Enable the broadest possible participation including of internally displaced persons;
Enjoy wide support among all Somali stakeholders;
Be capable of being implemented effectively and securely and of attracting sufficient funding through application of these principles;
Result in peaceful election of leaders who have broad legitimacy, and
Respect the mandate of the National Independent Electoral Commission.
The partners call on the House of the People and the Upper House of the Federal Parliament to complete the adoption of the Electoral Bill and the revised Political Parties Law by the end of 2019. They also call on all stakeholders and institutions in Somalia to set aside their differences and engage in constructive dialogue.

Somalia’s international partners remain dedicated to support the advancement of Somalia’s commitment to good governance. The partners will continue to provide support to the electoral process and stand ready to offer technical expertise to the relevant Somali authorities as they devise a credible and implementable electoral model.

* African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM), Canada, Denmark, Ethiopia, European Union, Finland, France, Germany, Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD), Italy, Kenya, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United Nations and United States

[Voltage]

NIN DAAD QAADAY XUMBO CUSKEY

There are two reasons that can explain how you interpreted this IC statement and only ONE or both can be true;

EITHER

1. Your English comprehension is really poor

OR

2. You are so desperate in your "Farmaajo is losing" narrative you are beyond shameless.

For TWO months; you have started at least 3 topics per day to tell us

1. ONLY Farmaajo and his supporters (including accusing Electoral Chairwoman Halimo Yarey of being his stooge) are the ones chasing 1person/1vote system aka "xoogaga wadaniyiinta"
2. ONLY the parliament, supported by Kheyre and the opposition who have lost political capital, was going to get an extension while Farmaajo was against this because Kheyre is allegedly the most supporters in it
3. In fact, you have reiterated time and time again the "gorgortan" between Kheyre and Farmaajo was based on Farmaajo allowing Parliament extension in exchange for his 1person/1 vote

Apparently the international position is 100% the position that YOU HAVE SAID IS FARMAAJO'S POSITION THE LAST TWO MONTHS

War ninkaan Sahal wallahi ma xishoodo

[Voltage]

For reference, here is my last discussion with Sahal about the election

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=398364

Also, here is Sahal in the first main topic that started his recent Election spamming;

According to key Mucaarad politicians, Khayre will be running for president in 2020 and wants MPs to elect the president not a direct presidential election. Farmaajo is insisting on a direct presidential election and fighting tooth and nail to make it happen.

On the other hand, I also heard that the parliamentary committee suggested an extension of parliament's mandate and the election of new president by the current parliament so the new government will lead the country to one man one vote. However, Farmaajo rejected it saying that either the parliament's and the president's mandates will be extended or NO extention at all.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... &p=4963532

Farmaajo's position then, which you tried to make seem controversia, is LITERALLY the IC position declared today which I said then in that topic;

There will NOT be extension for any ELECTED government entities; whether Parliament or Pres (PM is selected by Pres so irrelevant to this)

..

If Farmaajo is publicly advocating for 1 man/1 vote...that is the OFFICIAL position of EVERY GOVERNMENT SINCE THE END OF TRANSITION.

That is the OFFICIAL position of the UN and donor countries.

That is the OFFICIAL position of the Electoral Commission headed by Halima Yareey.

This was all in November 10.

[sahal80]

all somalis know and talk about how farmaajo wanted to get a direct xoogga voting they also know how kheyre wanted current parliament voting EXCEPT YOU!

they both got defeated. here i stated 3 days ago what will happen

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=398406


"one man one vote" is a mandatory policy for this govt its the vision 2020 just like 2016 vision wich was mandatory like establishing federal states. however Farmaajo has failed in this for lack of security and lack of cooperation with the federal states yet he wanted to take advantage of the policy by jumping on the federal states and gathering "xoogaga wadaniyiinta" in Xamar (doorasho hal deegaan) arabs say ما هكذا تورد الابل يا هذا!

sidaas looma qumiyo geela now i will say sidaas looma qumiyo one man one vote!

now smaller number of people will vote for their mps the only thing left is to be hold in one more town this needs also to be agreed upon between the somalis. i personally support it though it will give chance to farmaajo since he doesnt control kismaayo so he wants to be held in gedo and other harti towns besides garowe. i support this to empower baladweyne status i think things will go this way.

[Voltage]

I don't care whether you accept you were wrong or not. To accept you were wrong, someone has to have humility. By calling you shameless above, I precluded all that.

Again, the IC position is exactly the position that BOTH you and I have said is Farmaajo's position.

The difference is you tried to make it seem controversial while I said no, it is not controversial. Farmaajo's position is the position he is supposed to have as the President with a set mandate.

I mean literally dude, look at my response to you on NOVEMBER 10

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... &p=4963532

There will NOT be extension for any ELECTED government entities; whether Parliament or Pres (PM is selected by Pres so irrelevant to this)

..

If Farmaajo is publicly advocating for 1 man/1 vote...that is the OFFICIAL position of EVERY GOVERNMENT SINCE THE END OF TRANSITION.

That is the OFFICIAL position of the UN and donor countries.

That is the OFFICIAL position of the Electoral Commission headed by Halima Yareey.

I then broke that down in that topic;

1. No extension is CERTAIN.

No president, no parliament; none of them will have an extension. Farmaajo never asked for extension. It was the Parliament having and puffing wanting one but I said that will never be.

Somalia's situation does not allow for any extension of ELECTED government entities (by law extension can ONLY occur if Election Commission asks for 2 month and then a 4 month technical extension----there is NO LEGAL PATHWAY for government entities to get an extension).

2. 1 man/1 vote system is UNCERTAIN.

The way the world understands it will not happen, but the form and principle in a manner that Somalia can call 1 man/1vote is still being contested.

The Parliament is having a draft election law come in either December or January.

If they continue with what CONSTITUTION says now, they have just admitted to the UN and donor countries the truth; that the Somalia cannot do 1man/1vote next election.

If they change the CONSTITUTION to imply proportional representation/1man 1 vote then it means the donor countries and UN have twisted their arm.

The draft election law hasn't become law yet. It has not passed Parliament.

Literally the ONLY thing that has happened is after the Parliament sub-committee has hinted the election law they are producing is contrary to 1man/1vote, the UN/Donors have decided to send a DIRECT WARNING (time to "twist arms").

Everything else is SARBEEB.

Hebel baa la arkay, hebel baa lala hadlay, etc etc etc.

WHAT I SAID ON NOVEMBER 10 IS HAPPENING EXACTLY.

This IC statement is literally the UN/Donor's TWISTING ARMS after Parliament has hinted they were going contrary to the mandate.

Everything you thought was controversial about Farmaajo and the Electoral Commission as atated by Halima Yareey is literally those aspects of the government STICKING TO ORIGINAL MANDATE.

Macmacaanka kale UN/Donor's AFKA KU QURUXSANAYAAN about hebel baa lala hadlay halkaas la aad.

There is a DIPLOMATIC WAR HERE THAT I PREDICTED.

THAT WAR IS BETWEEN PARLIAMENT AND THE UN/DONORS.

"Hebel baa la arkay, hebel lala hadlay" is JIDKA loo marayo dagaalkaan announced by the Donors against Parliament double dealing.

[Somaliweeyn007]

For reference, here is my last discussion with Sahal about the election

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=398364

Also, here is Sahal in the first main topic that started his recent Election spamming;

According to key Mucaarad politicians, Khayre will be running for president in 2020 and wants MPs to elect the president not a direct presidential election. Farmaajo is insisting on a direct presidential election and fighting tooth and nail to make it happen.

On the other hand, I also heard that the parliamentary committee suggested an extension of parliament's mandate and the election of new president by the current parliament so the new government will lead the country to one man one vote. However, Farmaajo rejected it saying that either the parliament's and the president's mandates will be extended or NO extention at all.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... &p=4963532

Farmaajo's position then, which you tried to make seem controversia, is LITERALLY the IC position declared today which I said then in that topic;

There will NOT be extension for any ELECTED government entities; whether Parliament or Pres (PM is selected by Pres so irrelevant to this)

..

If Farmaajo is publicly advocating for 1 man/1 vote...that is the OFFICIAL position of EVERY GOVERNMENT SINCE THE END OF TRANSITION.

That is the OFFICIAL position of the UN and donor countries.

That is the OFFICIAL position of the Electoral Commission headed by Halima Yareey.

This was all in November 10.

Do you think there will be one man one vote, or will we get Qatar vs UAE buying off MPs and Presidents again using 4.5

[sahal80]

you cannot be thick to this level you must be in denial of the facts!

Farmaajo was scheming extension through the National "independent" Election Commission (NIEC) and then he asked the cabinet to ratify the electoral bill and they did but was rejected by a parliamentary committee kheyre himself was behind it. he also wanted to be elected directly by "xoogaga wadaniyiinta" who were going to be gathered in Xamar the parliamentary committee wich was composed of mucaarad mps and the kheyre wing rejected this as well.

one man one vote was a mandatory policy its called vision2020 however for insecurity or lack of cooperation with the federal states it cannot take place any more bc even of the people were supposed to vote for the president directly in all regions it must be done through the federal states NOT jumping on them so the policy is not wrong what is wrong is Farmaajo trying his best to dismantle the regions so he can get "his xoogaga" voting for him very clear?

Voltage says No he wasnt going to extend his term then why the election bill stating this? he says beesha caalamka will not allow such extension. who talked about this? im talking about farmaajo trying to get extended! yaaaaaab!

the same NIEC came up again with parliament getting extension if nothing ready in 6 months after farmaajo term ends current mps should vote for a new president aka kheyre. they failed in this as well. im tired of him someone please enlighten him i think he is in denial of the facts just wanna waste my time. voltage problem is he doesnt follow politics he doesnt know all these extension bills waa reer mudug ku qabso ku qadimaysid ah go do some reasearch before u tslk shit you have no clue about it.





https://goobjoog.com/english/farmaajo-s ... n-parties/

[Voltage]

Sahal

I am starting to understand the problem with you is not even about intending to act in bad faith or being intentionally misleading.

The ignorance you show is more fundamental.

I had assumed you were younger and more educated (i.e. "sophisticated"), but ever since you showed gross ignorance about the fundamentals of state formation in Somalia, I realized you were in over your head.

It's like talking to a typical jaahil Somali at a coffee shop fadhi ku dirir.

You understand local Somali issues like who is what tribe and which person paid what bribe money, but the basic underpinnings of state formation held in joint contract guaranteed by Somalia's partners is something whose technical details you are completely ignorant to.

This is why I am always surprised by the irrelevance of your responses on this subject. They always seem petty and small; I realize now that's only because they seem oblivious to the BIG PICTURE.

Because one doesn't see the big picture and because then they are not aware of the technical details that govern PROGRESS in Somali State formation, the explanation for issues like this is only in ways most Somalis understand mostly throughlocalized, petty disagreements (hebel talked who, hebel has something called xoogag wadaniyiin, hebel fulaan says this).

It's why you keep using buzzwords like "xogaga wadaniyiinta" and other misinformation campaign probably orchestrated inside Parliament for why they are trying to deviate from 1man/1vote. [My theory is the usual corrupt MPs are scared their reelection will become very competitive or uncertain ]

They are simply trying to confuse the political debate by mischaracterizing Farmaajo group's initial support for Proportional Representation WITHIN 1man/1vote as if that is the only way to implement it? Through that mischaracterization they want to provide justification for spoilingthe entire mandate as they have been hinting the new law is NOT 1man/vote.

ALL THAT IS IRRELEVANT.

But that's why that misinformation campaign had people like YOU against 1 man/1 vote as of just couple days ago;

Impossible to have one man one vote, Farmaajo must give up and accept the 4.5 system

this is what im talking about! i dont mind Farmaajo getting reelected if you uses the same old sysyem but i dont believe he has more chance than hassan sh.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 4#p4965240

It's also why the same ignorant people that sold you that simple, pretty, localized explanation due to their own ignorance about what is really at stake, convinced you Farmaajo could get rid of 4.5 if he wasn't stopped.

Remember my incredulous response when I realized how gullible you were to be made convinced by anyone such a fundamental underpinning of ongoing Somali state formation could be removed without 100% support from all principals (at the LEAST)?

I am not surprised though. It's not even about you personally; almost every Somali I see or come across seems to be completely out of his depth due to the technical intricacies and nuances surrounding election law in general and trying to configure Somalia's.

For example; you are under the impression that it is even relevant whether Kheyre the individual even as "PM" or Farmaajo the individual even as "President" can want or not want 4.5.

4.5 is the political "trust" that brought Somalis together in a national government.

The International Community is the guarantor of the terms of the "trust."

It is irrelevant whether individuals have any views on it because an individual has 0 power to affect change.

4.5 is what all Somalis said we accept to even come to the table to recognize a position of "President" to exist.

You break the terms of the trust by even thinking of removing 4.5 without 100% support from all stakehikders and abolish the recognition of your own seat.

My finall address to you;

1. This has nothing to do with Farmaajo. It could be Hassan Sheekh sitting there for all we like.

2. There is a framework here and a mandate that is bigger than individuals including President let alone an MP (4.5, federalism, working toward 1man/1vote).

3. There are a lot of different interests in Parliament (anti-4.5/pro-4.5, anti-federalism/pro-federalism,etc) and even misinformation could be coming from different sections of it as political warfare (xoogaga wadaniyinya blah blah blah)

4. MOST of the stakeholders have officially and publicly adhered to the original framework and mandate of transitioning to a system of 1man/1vote including the President leading the Executive branch, the independent commission led by Halima Yareey, and the Federal Member States.

5. The ONLY stakeholder that has signaled they will deviate is Parliament which has hinted in the election law that is still being worked on that it will propose a law contrary to 1 man/1vote

6. The UN/Donors as the GUARANTOR of the framework has stepped in to pressure Parliament (as the only deviated stakeholde) to change course as the mandate is binding, i.e. contract.

7. The IC statement is the beginning of a showdown between the "rebel" stakeholder (Parliament) and the GUARANTOR or "DAMAANAD-QAADE (UN/Donors).

8. In the end, there will be a compromise that provides "CONTINUITY" of progress in State Formation.

9. Mark my words; the compromise from UN/Donors will be they will accept universal 1man/vote cannot be done now in exchange for something that is more universal and competitive than 2016 elections.

10. I will WAGER an arm and a leg that what they have been demonizing as "Farmaajo's xogaga wadaniyiinta system" aka more universal participation will in the end be what most resembles the final election compromise.

[Voltage]

Do you think there will be one man one vote, or will we get Qatar vs UAE buying off MPs and Presidents again using 4.5

They are playing hardball sxb.

Do you think the UN or EU or US don't know what circumstances need to be in place for universal suffrage (1man/vote)?

How can you have that when entire regions and towns and areas of the country are directly administered physically by Shabaab? How can you have that when you don't even have an accurate census to know who is eligible?

They know 1man/1vote is virtually impossible, but getting to that now is NOT their intention.

This is explained by what Somalis term "ku qabso ka qaadi mayside."

The rest of the word understands it as the point in negotiation where CLARIFICATION happens before BARGAINING.

In CLARIFICATION, for example the store owner will say he is selling the rug for $500 while you as the customer respond with $350.

The sides will always attempt to provide JUSTIFICATION for their clarification (store owner says this rug is hand made from Persia, you say well I have bought a similar one from your competitor for 350)

Now the owner doesn't really expect to get that high sale and you don't really expect that low discount, but you have CLARIFIED the boundaries to bargain (i.e. meeshaad kasoo degi kartiin).

Parliament knows what the mandate is.

Through the long sub-committee process and the very public leaks, Parliamentarians have been "clarifying" what they want to test the level of challenge. ( No 1man/1vote)

The UN/Donors have responded with their own clarification (full 1man/1vote)

Xoogagag wadaniyiinta/misinformation is the justification provided by Parliamentarians and "hebel baan aragnay/la tashanay" is the justification by UN.

Now that they have both clarified and justified their clarification, they will bargain or "compromise."

Like I said to Sahal;

8. In the end, there will be a compromise that provides "CONTINUITY" of progress in State Formation.

9. Mark my words; the compromise from UN/Donors will be they will accept universal 1man/vote cannot be done now in exchange for something that is more universal and competitive than 2016 elections.

10. I will WAGER an arm and a leg that what they have been demonizing as "Farmaajo's xogaga wadaniyiinta system" aka more universal participation will in the end be what most resembles the final election compromise.

[Somaliweeyn007]

Do you think there will be one man one vote, or will we get Qatar vs UAE buying off MPs and Presidents again using 4.5

They are playing hardball sxb.

Do you think the UN or EU or US don't know what circumstances need to be in place for universal suffrage (1man/vote)?

How can you have that when entire regions and towns and areas of the country are directly administered physically by Shabaab? How can you have that when you don't even have an accurate census to know who is eligible?

They know 1man/1vote is virtually impossible, but getting to that now is NOT their intention.

This is explained by what Somalis term "ku qabso ka qaadi mayside."

The rest of the word understands it as the point in negotiation where CLARIFICATION happens before BARGAINING.

In CLARIFICATION, for example the store owner will say he is selling the rug for $500 while you as the customer respond with $350.

The sides will always attempt to provide JUSTIFICATION for their clarification (store owner says this rug is hand made from Persia, you say well I have bought a similar one from your competitor for 350)

Now the owner doesn't really expect to get that high sale and you don't really expect that low discount, but you have CLARIFIED the boundaries to bargain (i.e. meeshaad kasoo degi kartiin).

Parliament knows what the mandate is.

Through the long sub-committee process and the very public leaks, Parliamentarians have been "clarifying" what they want to test the level of challenge. ( No 1man/1vote)

The UN/Donors have responded with their own clarification (full 1man/1vote)

Xoogagag wadaniyiinta/misinformation is the justification provided by Parliamentarians and "hebel baan aragnay/la tashanay" is the justification by UN.

Now that they have both clarified and justified their clarification, they will bargain or "compromise."

Like I said to Sahal;

8. In the end, there will be a compromise that provides "CONTINUITY" of progress in State Formation.

9. Mark my words; the compromise from UN/Donors will be they will accept universal 1man/vote cannot be done now in exchange for something that is more universal and competitive than 2016 elections.

10. I will WAGER an arm and a leg that what they have been demonizing as "Farmaajo's xogaga wadaniyiinta system" aka more universal participation will in the end be what most resembles the final election compromise.

Interesting points, I might have missed this but what is this compromise system of election being proposed; "Farmaajo's xogaga wadaniyiinta system"

Define how that would work

[Voltage]

Interesting points, I might have missed this but what is this compromise system of election being proposed; "Farmaajo's xogaga wadaniyiinta system"

Define how that would work

It's nothing more than the MOST RECENT manifestation of the original Farmaajo derision that attempted to put down his support as "just IDPs" and not reer Muqdisho (i.e Hawiye) as if having brought hope to the IDPs is a putdown.

After the response to his election, the idea just disappeared but they seem to have galvanized it once again in a new election cycle.

The irony is in the IC press release, they specifically addressed this negative political rhetoric that attempts to legitimize overlooking IDPs/vulnerable communities

Enable the broadest possible participation including of internally displaced persons;

[Sagaashan]

This is a classical takedown in one topic that sums the career of Sahal in Somalinet politics lol his obsession with Kheyre being a supreme tactician and his insistence narrative of "Farmaajo failing" debunked all under one roof. In a nutshell, Sahal explains things in a lingo that the normal person can understand and is derived mostly from cafes and marfishs, whereas Voltage looks at the bigger picture and driving forces of Somalia, the state. Ultimately the two are merged and a middle ground is found, but Sahal too often assumes the local affairs dictate things more than the IC. A lot of times, its what the IC wants that these entities have to implement regardless of who he is the president/PM. The IC has this immense power simply bc they fund the govt. The regional leaders are also subservient who refuse to take orders from Villa Somalia but instantly change their minds once James Swan is discharged and has a "close door" meeting with them.

Its good to see the same ideas which Sahal blamed for Farmaajo are the same bulletin points that the IC released. The only good thing he could pull out, like most of the opposition, is the term extension, which Farmaajo categorically denied on multiple occasions.

I wonder where the mighty PM Kheyre is now since the IC has firmly said 1p1v is imperative.

[Voltage]

Do you think there will be one man one vote, or will we get Qatar vs UAE buying off MPs and Presidents again using 4.5

They are playing hardball sxb.

Do you think the UN or EU or US don't know what circumstances need to be in place for universal suffrage (1man/vote)?

How can you have that when entire regions and towns and areas of the country are directly administered physically by Shabaab? How can you have that when you don't even have an accurate census to know who is eligible?

They know 1man/1vote is virtually impossible, but getting to that now is NOT their intention.

This is explained by what Somalis term "ku qabso ka qaadi mayside."

The rest of the word understands it as the point in negotiation where CLARIFICATION happens before BARGAINING.

In CLARIFICATION, for example the store owner will say he is selling the rug for $500 while you as the customer respond with $350.

The sides will always attempt to provide JUSTIFICATION for their clarification (store owner says this rug is hand made from Persia, you say well I have bought a similar one from your competitor for 350)

Now the owner doesn't really expect to get that high sale and you don't really expect that low discount, but you have CLARIFIED the boundaries to bargain (i.e. meeshaad kasoo degi kartiin).

Parliament knows what the mandate is.

Through the long sub-committee process and the very public leaks, Parliamentarians have been "clarifying" what they want to test the level of challenge. ( No 1man/1vote)

The UN/Donors have responded with their own clarification (full 1man/1vote)

Xoogagag wadaniyiinta/misinformation is the justification provided by Parliamentarians and "hebel baan aragnay/la tashanay" is the justification by UN.

Now that they have both clarified and justified their clarification, they will bargain or "compromise."

Like I said to Sahal;

8. In the end, there will be a compromise that provides "CONTINUITY" of progress in State Formation.

9. Mark my words; the compromise from UN/Donors will be they will accept universal 1man/vote cannot be done now in exchange for something that is more universal and competitive than 2016 elections.

10. I will WAGER an arm and a leg that what they have been demonizing as "Farmaajo's xogaga wadaniyiinta system" aka more universal participation will in the end be what most resembles the final election compromise.

Sometimes I surprise my own self: it's almost intuitive the way I predict Somali political developments. Yea, this is definitely self-absorbed of me but it's crazy how I predicted how the whole election debate would be settled.