Omar finish helped janan escape

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Apperantly Omar finish helped Janan escape. He was held in a house in huriwaa and was taken to Liido with Omar finish's car.

[Voltage]

Tribes are not always blood related. In Somalia we have two such powerful tribes; The Fundamentalists and the Warlords.

If one is captured and held liable for their membership in such a tribe, you can assume all the other ones will be against it because tomorrow it may be them.

Personall;

1. I am happy he escaped. If Qaybdeed---who is on YouTube ordering the extrajudicial execution of Darod captives on Araare Bridge near Kismayo---is free and even a member of the Senate, then no one had business going after Janan. Besides, he made the move into Jubbaland possible.

2. I am glad it was not Marehan or even Darod who helped him escape. Can you imagine the bruhaha from Hawiye and non-Darod Somalis? They would milk it to infinity.

[sahal80]

kkkk cumar filish kulahaa ma nin lamagacaabay baa qalad noocaas ah galaayo? muxuu ka faaiiidi?

caseka Janan iyo guud ahaan JL N&N isku ma raacsana dhinaca kheyre waxay ka yihiin shibanayaal ayagaana u xoogan dhanka amniga. kuwo farmaajo taageersan aa xaafado ku xirteen ka baxsan goobaha amniga banaadir ayagiina sirdoonka kenya aa ka soo furtey. garabka Kheyre waxay diideen in ahmed madoobe la xiro janana wuxuu dhahay kheyre lama socon sheekadeyda. ninmanka fakiyay janan waa garabka farmaajo saas ayaana loo qarinayaa.

taliyaasha banaadir dhan kheyreey hoostagaan sodoo kale laguma xirin NISA iyo meesha xasan dahir ku xiran yahay arintaan oo ku tusinaysa in fahad yasin uusan ku jirin oo haysta jinsiyada kenya. waxa ka hadlaya kaliya waa federal policeka oon laheen awood daadagsan sida policeka banaadir. waatan gabadha kuxigeenka taliyaha policeka federalka labo jeer ka hadashay markii la qabrey iyo markuu baxsadey. policeka federaka iyo saraakiil farmaajo ku xiran uu u xirnaa. arinta janan waxay banaanka keentay khilaafka gudaha ee N&N.

filish haduu masuul ka ahaan lahaa hawadaa mar hore lagu cuni lahaa war ninkaan janan is madoibe righthand in Gedo he is gonna fuck up every thing for Farmaajo.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Sahal fudeeydka jooji. Finish was acting on kheires order. There is a huge kala shaki from the presidents office. I got this info from a well known source I can't disclose in public.

President office want finish sacked.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

One thing is for sure Farmaajo and his group can't move in xamar without Kheires approval.

[Nomand]

abkoow, just on this thread you have contradicted yourself

first of all lets think about this in a rational manner

1) previously you said that kheyre is looking to separate from farmaajo (you got this from kheyre new slogan #HiigsiIyoHorumar, #AmaanoIyoAdeeg)

2) today you are saying that Kheyre is behind releasing janan and that farmaajo is basically a puppet.

now my question to you is if kheyre has farmaajo by the balls then why would he want to get rid of the president? by your logic kheyre is already the most powerful man in somalia and does not even get a fraction of the hate farmaajo gets. to me that is a sweet deal.

my other question is what does kheyre gain from releasing janan?

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

abkoow, just on this thread you have contradicted yourself

first of all lets think about this in a rational manner

1) previously you said that kheyre is looking to separate from farmaajo (you got this from kheyre new slogan #HiigsiIyoHorumar, #AmaanoIyoAdeeg)

2) today you are saying that Kheyre is behind releasing janan and that farmaajo is basically a puppet.

now my question to you is if kheyre has farmaajo by the balls then why would he want to get rid of the president? by your logic kheyre is already the most powerful man in somalia and does not even get a fraction of the hate farmaajo gets. to me that is a sweet deal.

my other question is what does kheyre gain from releasing janan?

Dude Kheire and Farmaajo have different views on Jubbaland. Kheire is not against Madoobe. Besides logically speaking the whole security is under Kheire. You think farmaajo can pull a stunt like this in xamar? His only Ally is Xijaar

[Nomand]

abkoow, just on this thread you have contradicted yourself

first of all lets think about this in a rational manner

1) previously you said that kheyre is looking to separate from farmaajo (you got this from kheyre new slogan #HiigsiIyoHorumar, #AmaanoIyoAdeeg)

2) today you are saying that Kheyre is behind releasing janan and that farmaajo is basically a puppet.

now my question to you is if kheyre has farmaajo by the balls then why would he want to get rid of the president? by your logic kheyre is already the most powerful man in somalia and does not even get a fraction of the hate farmaajo gets. to me that is a sweet deal.

my other question is what does kheyre gain from releasing janan?

Dude Kheire and Farmaajo have different views on Jubbaland. Kheire is not against Madoobe. Besides logically speaking the whole security is under Kheire. You think farmaajo can pull a stunt like this in xamar? His only Ally is Xijaar

If Farmaajo and Kheyre had the same views on galmudug where kheyre's own tribe reside, what makes you think Kheyre would have different views to farmaajo regarding jubbaland where kheyre has no stake.

you still haven't answered what kheyre gains from madoobe being in power and releasing janan.

[XHKS]

abkoow, just on this thread you have contradicted yourself

first of all lets think about this in a rational manner

1) previously you said that kheyre is looking to separate from farmaajo (you got this from kheyre new slogan #HiigsiIyoHorumar, #AmaanoIyoAdeeg)

2) today you are saying that Kheyre is behind releasing janan and that farmaajo is basically a puppet.

now my question to you is if kheyre has farmaajo by the balls then why would he want to get rid of the president? by your logic kheyre is already the most powerful man in somalia and does not even get a fraction of the hate farmaajo gets. to me that is a sweet deal.

my other question is what does kheyre gain from releasing janan?

Dude Kheire and Farmaajo have different views on Jubbaland. Kheire is not against Madoobe. Besides logically speaking the whole security is under Kheire. You think farmaajo can pull a stunt like this in xamar? His only Ally is Xijaar

If Farmaajo and Kheyre had the same views on galmudug where kheyre's own tribe reside, what makes you think Kheyre would have different views to farmaajo regarding jubbaland where kheyre has no stake.

you still haven't answered what kheyre gains from madoobe being in power and releasing janan.

do you know kheyre is abgaal

[Nomand]

Dude Kheire and Farmaajo have different views on Jubbaland. Kheire is not against Madoobe. Besides logically speaking the whole security is under Kheire. You think farmaajo can pull a stunt like this in xamar? His only Ally is Xijaar

If Farmaajo and Kheyre had the same views on galmudug where kheyre's own tribe reside, what makes you think Kheyre would have different views to farmaajo regarding jubbaland where kheyre has no stake.

you still haven't answered what kheyre gains from madoobe being in power and releasing janan.

do you know kheyre is abgaal

sxb people just say anything they want, nevermind it does not even make the slightest sense. Kheyre supporting madoobe who is anti government and will remain anti government no matter who sits in villa somalia. but yet at the same time kheyre wants to become the president of somalia.

if kheyre wants to become the president of somalia why would he limit the presidential power by supporting madoobe.

its like me sabotaging my managers job by lobbying the owner to change the managers role and slowly give responsibility (such as hiring and firing) to others (make the manager powerless) but at the same time i am vying for the managers job.

what do you think will happen to me when i get the managers job? it will be meaningless post.

what's funny is that is exactly the mentality of hassan sheikh and sheikh sharif. instead of looking at this in the bigger picture (the more farmaajo establishes presidential power to more power the next president inherits ) they look at this as "if farmaajo wins i lose". Which indicates these two have given up everything about governing the country and are only there for a paycheck i.e become a president just to fill my pockets

ofcourse Kheyre has presidential ambitions, but what they fail to understand is kheyre wants to govern the country and a win for farmaajo today is a win for Kheyre tomorrow if he becomes a president. Again the question they can't answer is why would kheyre help madoobe what does kheyre gain from this? Madoobe and puntland will always be headache for whoever sits in villa Somalia.

[Voltage]

Does this guy Sahal know ANYTHING about Somalia from a LEGAL/SHARCI stand point???


Forgive me if I sound exasperated but there is a pattern here.

1. First it was the shocking lack of basic knowledge about the Provisional Constitution during the attempted Impeachment Vote that failed.
2. Then it was the long argument about the ELECTION LAW WHICH WAS PASSED PARLIAMENT COMPLETELY AS I HAD DESCRIBED IT.
3. Now it is an even MORE shocking lack of RUDIMENTARY knowledge about the security reform of the country.


Do you think this is Hassan Sheekh or Sh Sharif or Abdullahi Yusuf's time?

Do you not know anything about the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT REFORM the country underwent since 1991?

Do you not know anything about what made Farmaajo UNTOUCHABLE IN THE EYES OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY?

Do you not even know why it is HARAMCAD that is in Gedo and not the Army?

Or do you not know that HARAMCAD IS POLICE and the ARMY IS DIFFERENt OR THAT HARAMCAD IS TO POLICE WHAT DANAB IS TO THE SNA AND WHAT ALPHA GROUP IS TO NISA?

And what planet did you fall out of where THE STATE ("LOCAL") POLICE OF BENADIR IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE FEDERAL ("NATIONAL") POLICE????

And what the hell is "AWOOD DADAGSAN" that BENADIR LOCAL POLICE have that FEDERAL POLICE IS MISSING? DOES HE MEAN EMERGENCY POWERS?

I MEAN THIS IS JUST GROSS IGNORANCE---LIKE YOU AND WHOEVER HAS BEEN FEEDING YOU ARE SO OUT OF YOUR DEPTH YOU LITERALLY NEED KINDERGARTEN LEVEL CRASH COURSE ON BASIC STATE SECURITY APPARATUS.

DUDE FARMAAJO'S SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT SIGNATURE WORK WILL BE THE SECURITY REFORM.

1. AS SOON AS HE CAME IN, HE IMPLEMENTED THAT FAMOUS STRESS TEST THAT WAS READY ON DAY 1.

IT WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE. IT SHOCKED THE DONORS THE MOST BECAUSE IT MEANT ALL THE EFFORTS FROM 2000-2016 WERE A FAILURE.

ALL THE PREVIOUS LEADERSHIP WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE.

THE ARMY WAS SHIT. THE MONEY WAS ALL BEING SIPHONED THROUGH CORRUPTION.

SOLDIERS HAD NO WEAPONS OR CLOTHES, LET ALONE SALARIES. MANY HAD TURNED INTO PART TIME USING ROADBLOCKS AS ISBAARON TO GET MONEY.

THERE WAS 0 ORGANIZATION. NO PLANNING. NO METHODOLOGY. NO VISION, NO GOAL, NOTHING.

2. FIRST THING FARMAAJO WANTED TO STOP WAS THE MONEY AND CORRUPTION. THE BIOMETRIC SYSTEM HAS LONG BEEN FINISHED.

SOLDIERS RECEIVE MONEY DIRECTLY IN BANK ACCOUNTS. IT DOESN'T TOUCH OTHER HANDS. ALSO THEY NOW HAVE AN EXACT ACCOUNTING OF WHAT IS SOMALI SECURITY AND WHO IS IN IT

3. I DON'T WANT TO GET BOGGED DOWN IN DETAILS BUT THERE WAS ALSO THE OTHER BEGINNING STEPS OF SECURITY REFORM FARMAAJO INTRODUCED IN LONDON CONFERENCE, MOG CONFERENCE, THAT FIRST FEDERAL GOV AND STATES CONFERENCE ON SECURITY

THE STEPS WERE THESE FIRST BITS OF SECURITY REFOEM

• NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHITECTURE (what is FEDERAL/NATIONAL vs. STATE/LOCAL...what comes under DEFENSE MINISTER VS. INTERIOR MINISTER VS. JUSTICE MINISTER....what is SNA VS. POLICE VS. NATIONAL SECURITY/INTELLIGENCE
  *NATIONAL STABILIZATION PLAN (example what is WAR FIGHTING VS. PEACEKEEPING/STABILIZATION....what is CAPTURING TERRITORY VS. HOLDING TERRITORY...what is LAW ENFORCEMENT VS. COUNTER TERRORISM
• The POLICE PLAN, THE TRANSITIONAL PLAN, THE SECURITY FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN, tc etc erc

MY GOD, THIS GUY HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON----LITERALLY JUST WASTES HIS TIME WITH REER BAADIYE WAA LA YIRI CRAP.

FOR EXAMPLE;

• DID JANAN COMMITT A CRIME IN MOGADISHU OR COMMIT A CRIME IN GEDO?
  • If he stole an apple in Mogadishu, then fine BENADIR LOCAL POLICE has jurisdiction to arrest him for local law enforcement manner
    • But NO, Janan committed a crime in Gedo which is in JUBBALAND FEDERAL State?
      • So why the hell would Benadir Region be involved???
      • According to SOMALI SECURITY REFORM, Banadir Local Govt has NO JURISDICTION over Jubbaland
      • Similarly Kubbaland has NO JURISDICTION over Benadir.
      • If the crime took place outside of your Local jurisdiction, ONLY THE FEDERAL INSTITUTION (WHETHER THE FEDERAL POLICE, THE FEDERAL COURTS, ETC) OF THE AFFECTED ISSUE CAN GO CROSS STATES
      • I don't know what "dagdagaan" powers you mean foe Benadir Police, but actually questioning why the FEDERAL police held him and not LOCAL BENADIR is like questioning why the SKY IS NOT THE GROUND
  • This means JANAN'S ARREST in Mog would have been UNCONSTITUTIONAL if he was arrested by Local Benadir Police who have NO JURISDICTION to police anything that happened OUTSIDE Benadir Region.
  • This is LITERALLY LAW now and was understood since Farmaajo Gov introduced NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHITECTURE in 2017

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

• WHAT KIND OF CRIME DID JANAN COMMITT?
  • Was it spying, betraying secrets, terrorism, etc? What we call CRIMES AGAINST THE STATE?
    • NO. This means NISA is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to this case. It will literally NEVER have to go through anyone working for NISA who have NOTHING to do with local law enforcement or federal crimes not against the state.
  • Did Janan steal from a store in Gedo or other local enforcement matter that doesn't affect Federal Law?
    • NO. Janan did not committ simply local law enforcement crime and he did break not only federal but international. This means BOTH JUBBALAND STATE POLICE AND REGULAR FEDERAL POLICE ARE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT
  • Is Janan being accused of HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION?
    • YES. Then this is what we call SUPRANATIONALITY CRIMES...it is so wrong all nations have collective interest to punish it
      • Because of our circumstances where those violations always go hand in hand with many other insecurity related issues, Somalia came up with HARAMCAD or SPECIAL STABILIZATION Force WITHIN FEDERAL POLICE
        • The SNA equivalent is DANAB or Special Strike Force within the Army
        • NISA equivalent is ALPHA GROUP for Counter-Terrorism
      • Haramcad is a HOLDING force. When a territory is liberated from Shabab, the Army moves on to keep fighting. Haramcad is SPECIALIZED POLICE that function as a STABILIZATION force
      • That means even though they are POLICE, when active like the planned deployment to Gedo they activate EMERGENCY POWERS which usually belong to the ARMY.
      • These emergency powers are SPECIAL DETENTION (the can hold you without having to give you a lawyer), MILITARY COURT AND JUDGES, INVESTIGATING ACROSS STATE LINES, etc etc etc
      • WHEN HARAMCAD ACTIVATES THOSE SPECIAL POWERS, THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THE POLICE CHAIN OF COMMAND WHICH GOES TO CHIEF OF POLICE AND THEN INTERIOR MINISTER
      • .THEY ONLY DIRECTLY REPORT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR ANTHE PRESIDENT IF HE REQUESTS IT AS COMMANDER OF THE ARMED FORCES

I will end with this.

Neither abkoow, nor Sahal, walaa Kheyre, walaa Filish, walaa hebel Benaadir, walaa Amni Bujuuj ARE RELEVANT TO THIS.

There is a reason, Farmaajo has not ONCE gone to Gedo so far to get chummy chummy.
There is a reason why the powers of HARAMCAD were delicately designed
There is a reason Farmaajo's CHIEF SECURITY ADVISOR from dayb1 is Col Abdi Osman Nuur (Marehan/reer Siyaad)
There is a reason why Farmaajo named his Aide de Camp
Balal Osman (Marehan/reer Nuur) as his Special Envoy to Horn of Africa
There is a reason the first person to be detained in Mogadishu was the DC of Garbahaarey to see just how bought they were
There is a reason ALL D.Cs were brought to Mogadishu months ago and prepares
There is a reason the D.Cs have been on their united regional fact finding mission
There is a reason HARAMCAD is there not SNA or Danab

Marehan is right now where MAJEERTEEN was when Abdullahi Yusuf was facing Boosaaso's gates.

Either the Jamac Cali Jama's will win with their weakness and division and selfish hunguri or just like Abdullahi Yusuf GACAN BIR AND TOUGH LOVE will mold in what they should be

Choices will be made and Marehan will finally REFLECT WHAT HIS STATURE IS.

[sahal80]

One thing is for sure Farmaajo and his group can't move in xamar without Kheires approval.

this is true bc of the Babaadir Hawiye State that has 17 hawiye taliyaal oo ka amar qaata sitoos ah taliyaha qeybta guud(banaadir) oo ku xiran Kheyre. NISA kuwaan aa lagu badalay fahad yasin iyo teamkiisa wararka bas ay keenaa kuwii ciidanka ahaa ee NISA waa laga saarey meesha kuwaan markey warka helaan ay howsha fuliyaan mararka qaarkood haday qof ka taqalusayaan amnigadhan ayaguu hoos joogaa. waxaan kale like federal police is based on 4.5. sadiq john kii mjka waa bahdili jiray kan xijaar aaba xoogaa roon oo farmaajo isku halaynaya i think waa dhulbahante laakiin aaduu uga danbeeyaa sadaq john qaabka uu u fiirinaayo kkk waxaa ka dareemee inuu meesha isku ciriirinaayo

marka hadaad maadama filish iyo taliyaha qeybta guud ee banaadir isku yihiin hal state waa dhici kartaa inuu ka gaabsadey arinta Janan ka banaadir state ahaan laakiin inuu lug ku leeyahay siideyntiisa waa iikoow. waxaan maqlay in siedoonka kenya ka soo furteen kuwo dharcas ah oo farmaajo taabacsan oo la shaqaynayay policela federalka.

janan "saraakiil dawlada ka tirsan ayaa ii fududeeyay baxsadkeyga"



gudoomiyaha banaadir iyo taliyaha banaadir



federal police



this is the hawadle taliye of Howlwadaag they use him against HG journalists.

[sahal80]

kkkk voltage at it again i have no time for your long emogional post

special police waa ciidamo dagaal for stabilization shaqo kumalaha aminga iyo nabad sugida sida kuwa banaadir. look his military dress unlike of the other two with civilian police dress.
meeshaan xamar aa la dhahaa were all gudoomiyaasha degmootinka r hawiye and all taliyaasha policeka are hawiye qaanuun iyo waxaa sheegeysid guryaha hakuu soo celiyaan kkk
Haramcad waa special hiraab police forces mostly HG saleebaan like its leader and smaller number of eeelay idps and if thet got deployed in Gedo it shows that mx rely on HG. they will never be excepted in Hiiraan cause of its HG component but good for you this is against clan-based federalism!

look how jijar looks at sadaq john in the middle the most powerful police leader. commander of haramcad farxaan qaroole and sadiq john and wariyaha wli mumin are all saleebaan( national police my ass!)



let your cousin Ali Yasin explain to you how kheyre runs Xamar. he is friend of the mx security farmaajo advisors you mentioned same guys who suggested to him to arrest ahmed madoobe in xamar but failed cause of kheyre kkkk
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