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New gardheere chief

Postby Mk777 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:14 am

New ugaas of the 4 saransoor brothers and their uncle Garjante.
A native afgooye resident of the massare clan. Step in right direction :up:



It comes at a time degoodia seek to increase their influence in somalia which is minimal currently


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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby XHKS » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:05 am

New ugaas of the 4 saransoor brothers and their uncle Garjante.
A native afgooye resident of the massare clan. Step in right direction :up:



It comes at a time degoodia seek to increase their influence in somalia which is minimal currently

Great move, now you talking business, get your cake in jubaland and hirshabelle

once middel juba and lower shebelle is liberated in the next 2/3 months, beesha saransoor political capital increases.

Mk777 go for Wasiirka Qorsheynta iyo Iskaashiga caalamiga that is very important for your clan to connect to the international community.

Tell amin jeesow to create a Hizbi because that is the latest scam to get international community ears, why do you think like abdirahman abdishakur is given audience.

Start talking to Yamamoto on how guys want liberate your land and require political and development capital to win the hearts and minds of gaaljecel from hiraan to kismaayo, believe me, AFRICOM and state department will happly assist you.

send your elders and minister of health

there is major operation coming that needs gaaljecel support this is your moment to leverage on the war against al shabab.
Watch out for the events in jilip and jamaame because that will make or break gaaljecel in jubaland


Saransoor Samaale :up:

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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby Turbulence » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:23 am

Horta why did successive governments in Somalia insist on insulting beesha Sarandoor by grouping them under Hawiye as a mere Hawiye subclan when it is clear, combined, they are bigger than the actual Hawiye clan itself. The Gaaljecel/Deogiye alone outnumber Hawiye if you don't include Shiikhaal and Xawaadle who are not Hawiye abtirsi wise. Being grouped under Hawiye marginalizes them and means they don't get the number of seats they deserve in government whether it be local or federal. It may surprise people but the Degodiye actually outnumber the Ogaden in Kenya.

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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby Mk777 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:49 am

New ugaas of the 4 saransoor brothers and their uncle Garjante.
A native afgooye resident of the massare clan. Step in right direction :up:



It comes at a time degoodia seek to increase their influence in somalia which is minimal currently

Great move, now you talking business, get your cake in jubaland and hirshabelle

once middel juba and lower shebelle is liberated in the next 2/3 months, beesha saransoor political capital increases.

Mk777 go for Wasiirka Qorsheynta iyo Iskaashiga caalamiga that is very important for your clan to connect to the international community.

Tell amin jeesow to create a Hizbi because that is the latest scam to get international community ears, why do you think like abdirahman abdishakur is given audience.

Start talking to Yamamoto on how guys want liberate your land and require political and development capital to win the hearts and minds of gaaljecel from hiraan to kismaayo, believe me, AFRICOM and state department will happly assist you.

send your elders and minister of health

there is major operation coming that needs gaaljecel support this is your moment to leverage on the war against al shabab.
Watch out for the events in jilip and jamaame because that will make or break gaaljecel in jubaland


Saransoor Samaale :up:
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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby Mk777 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:05 am

Horta why did successive governments in Somalia insist on insulting beesha Sarandoor by grouping them under Hawiye as a mere Hawiye subclan when it is clear, combined, they are bigger than the actual Hawiye clan itself. The Gaaljecel/Deogiye alone outnumber Hawiye if you don't include Shiikhaal and Xawaadle who are not Hawiye abtirsi wise. Being grouped under Hawiye marginalizes them and means they don't get the number of seats they deserve in government whether it be local or federal. It may surprise people but the Degodiye actually outnumber the Ogaden in Kenya.
That is good question sxb. I would not say we outnumber hawiye, remember abgaal alone are more than 2 mil. But we would have more influence post civil war as stand alone potentially. Political power is not always directly correlated with numbers however. For example, the Garre clan numbers around 2 million they are the biggest Somali clan in Kenya without question. I’m not into NFD politics too much but I remember hearing they were the only ones who were capable of forming a party not allied with a major 1 such as jubilee. They also live in somalia yet do not do well politically.

But u are correct we have the same seats in 1 of the houses as duduble who are much smaller No disrespect to them. Other than in muqdisho were everyone is fed well under hawiyenimo (especially if maternal hiraab) this does not help us. Especially in Jubaland were the biimaal and galjecel assisted in the usc campaign, but ultimately power was handed over to your kin under the “walalaha galgaduud”.

So yes I am sceptical of being in this grouping looking forward. The 4.5 system is intristically flawed anyways and is not long term solution

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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby XHKS » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:06 am

Horta why did successive governments in Somalia insist on insulting beesha Sarandoor by grouping them under Hawiye as a mere Hawiye subclan when it is clear, combined, they are bigger than the actual Hawiye clan itself. The Gaaljecel/Deogiye alone outnumber Hawiye if you don't include Shiikhaal and Xawaadle who are not Hawiye abtirsi wise. Being grouped under Hawiye marginalizes them and means they don't get the number of seats they deserve in government whether it be local or federal. It may surprise people but the Degodiye actually outnumber the Ogaden in Kenya.
Because gaaljecel is still nomadic clan

name one clan that lives from hiraan, kismaayo and reaches wajeer. except ogadeen, so gaaljecel must be big, they remind me of cawliyahan and talxe duurka kama so baxaan.

Turbulence, gaaljecel is victim of 4.5 and federalism, because if they say they are saransoor they become .5 :shock: but like xawadle hawiye keliya kursi siyay in embagati, for nefarious reasons as to expand hawiye territorial claim.

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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby Xaljecel » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:33 am

mashallah ugaaska waan soo dhoweeyneyna

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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby sahal80 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:19 am

Damn ilaahow laandheere ha igu hoos nooleeyn saa waxaan miciin bidi cid kaste kkk

These guys presence in every Gaaljecel topic shows how desperate they r to counterweight their laandheere brethren in JL :wow:

They have to mention gaaljecel and sheekhal too to disassociate themselves from hawing relations with Hawiye in this desperate attempt to empwer themselves with theae clans also to downplay Hawiye.

Hawadle r not like Ajuran, Saransoor(Gaaljecel&degodia) and sheekhal they live in the heart of Hawiye and between Hiraab they have no other road except hiiraan if they want to liberate Xamar, USC base in Ethiopia was based in Farjano wich is hawadle village caydiid arrived this village from India so we have real power sharing who cares for abtirsi. hawadle and Abgaal and HG have the same seats they have more as mudulood and motherkicis wich includes duduble and many abgaal sister clans.
like they need us, we use them too. with the help of Hawiye as USC, we cleaned Darood refugees and siyaad barre from our land.

'If we put half a million Ogaadeen in Beledweyne the Hawaadle will be a minority" Siyaad barre.


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=639 ... en&f=false


USC HQ was hotel Guleed owned by Hawadle. Hawadle were the machine behind USC.

all these conferences were held in hawadle hotels
hotel lafwayn.
aqoonyaganada talking post-liberation era and dissolving USC. this happened in waqooyi where SNA was dissolved but failed in Xamar



"What little expectation the Hotel Guuleed agreement had generated was soon dissipated"
From Grievance to Greed in Somalia |
by MH Ingiriis

you heard about Magool singing for USC but what you dont know is that she was singing in a reconciliation conference between caydiid and Ali mahdi aka cali gar leh caydiidna jid leh organized by hawadle in their hotel Guleed. see hotel guleed in the video

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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby Turbulence » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:39 pm

Damn ilaahow laandheere ha igu hoos nooleeyn saa waxaan miciin bidi cid kaste kkk

These guys presence in every Gaaljecel topic shows how desperate they r to counterweight their laandheere brethren in JL :wow:

They have to mention gaaljecel and sheekhal too to disassociate themselves from hawing relations with Hawiye in this desperate attempt to empwer themselves with theae clans also to downplay Hawiye.

You are projecting. You are the one who shows up in attack mode in every topic MK777 creates. Even if the topic has nothing to do with your clan like this one. I think Gaaljecel becoming more powerful in Somalia and demanding what is rightfully theirs scares the shit out of you since there is a good chance they outnumber your clan in Hiiraan. Lastly stop going off on weird and random tangents all the time. Who the fuck cares about some random and irrelevant events from the 1990s that have to do with your clan.

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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby sahal80 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:03 am

Damn ilaahow laandheere ha igu hoos nooleeyn saa waxaan miciin bidi cid kaste kkk

These guys presence in every Gaaljecel topic shows how desperate they r to counterweight their laandheere brethren in JL :wow:

They have to mention gaaljecel and sheekhal too to disassociate themselves from hawing relations with Hawiye in this desperate attempt to empwer themselves with theae clans also to downplay Hawiye.

You are projecting. You are the one who shows up in attack mode in every topic MK777 creates. Even if the topic has nothing to do with your clan like this one. I think Gaaljecel becoming more powerful in Somalia and demanding what is rightfully theirs scares the shit out of you since there is a good chance they outnumber your clan in Hiiraan. Lastly stop going off on weird and random tangents all the time. Who the fuck cares about some random and irrelevant events from the 1990s that have to do with your clan.
"The Gaaljecel/Deogiye alone outnumber Hawiye if you don't include Shiikhaal and Xawaadle who are not Hawiye abtirsi wise" see? you mentioned Xawaadle i was on the point exposing your dirty tactics. first Gaaljecel, hawadle and hawiye are all called ilmo Samaale so blood is thicker than water so in any Hawiye Darod civil war Gaaljecel and cawramale will be chasing you to dadaab.

Cawramale maqarre Samaale and Hawadle maile samaale are full brothers and Gaaljecel gardheere samaale are their half brothers.


http://www.abtirsi.com/view.php?person= ... irsiLang=1

this link shows you how ilmo samaale are related
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Sd1 ... 22&f=false
hawadle cleaned luuqjeelow and gaaljecel area from darood settlements. actually siyaad barre he located them more on the gaaljecel and jareer side and one village belongs to udeejeen knowing hawadle will not tolerate them but thankfully they moved to the towns instead of staying their camps in luuqjeelow, baadicade side of jalalaqsi wich was empty at that time as the main town was located in the east side, jiiqleey(gaaljecel and baadicade) jawiil(udeejeen) and north eastern baladweyne on the river banks this is the only hawadle area he settled these darods like qooqane and we share with them jareer and dir.

Gaaljecel waa is guursanaa xaafad dhan aa jirta oo das mixed ah degaan we r not enemy siyaasiyan aan isku khilaafno laakin waa isla noolaanaynaa dagaaladiina JL meesha hala soo galin. anaga sida mj aan u shaqaynaa like urban expansion xabad ma naqaano iyo waxaas
Hiiraan=gaaljecel when it comes to someone like you :arrow:

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Re: New gardheere chief

Postby sahal80 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:26 am

JL waligeed ma dagayso ileen waa maamul goboleedka kalaya oo Somaliwayn ka dhexeeyo hadana kuwii stateka ka samaystey baa ku heshiin la dhibkiina nala dhaafa

fiiri waxa beelo dega. Jubaland is not a Daarood land but JL state is a darod state led by OG(kablalah)

these mxs want to use the Non Darood clans but they r not better than OG and kablalah when it comes to gaaljecel they are making land grabbing in the Gaaljecel deegaan like beerxaano. when sh shariif made beerxaano and raaskambooni two degmos for Gaaljecel they both gone crazy! why they r mad at making them degmo? bc they r ilmo samaale deegaan. they dont mention other clans when they talk about gedo infact baardheere has gaaljecel(their adeer garjin) population let alone degodia and garre and raxanwayn. they never mention these gaaljecel and saransoor in hiiraan or jowhar no one denies them only the admins r located on the abgaal and hawadle side. no one denies Gaaljecel as a rural population and as a deegaan. we gave them minister of livestock besides the security minister we have plabs to build live stock market in their side






the other guy was howlkar guy waare jiis replaced him with this mp to avoid motion. all ministers r now less educated mps. markii hore ciyaal NGOs ka kala shaqayn jiray oo wax bartey uu keenay laakin waaqica waa ka shaqayn waysay.



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