As a Farmaajo supporter, I present his greatest failure and his greatest contribution.

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As a Farmaajo supporter, I present his greatest failure and his greatest contribution.

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Team Farmaajo Presidency has unity and shared purpose in POLICY and VISION that is beyond admirable and vital to success.

That seems to have come at the expense of something just as important.

I am taking about diversity in PEOPLE SKILLS aka "interpersonal skills." If someone is hyper, it's good to balance with calm members. If someone is more self-absorbed, it's good to balance with more intuitive members. If extrovert, needsmore laid back members...if very good at details and gets tunnel vision, good to have someone in the team really great at the big picture.

IF YOU HOLD UP YOUR HAND AND LOOK AT FOUR OF YOUR FINGERS, AS DIFFERENT AS THEY ARE IN HEIGHT AND SIZE ARE HUMANS SIMILARLY DIFFERENT.

You can say the same exact thing that is meant to be beneficial to two different people standing right next to each other, and they might perceive it differently based on how you "spoke" or "acted" or "expressed".

2. The reason why I said Farmaajo seems self-absorbed to me and the fact that I can even think that or see that as a member of the public is a failure on the part of his team (either because yes man and won't or not diverse in interprrsonal skills and can't) is because (A.) he has showed shocking level of "hands off/distance" or disregard for mitigating any perceived threat to reconciliaition and (B.) if he couldn't see that, someone in his circle should have stepped in and drilled home that point.

3. I agree with you exactly ON THE DISTINCTION between saboteurs like Abdirahman Abdishakur and the real and credible opposition like Hassan Sheekh/Sheekh Sharif.

When I say I, AS A SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT FARMAAJO, "perceived" a shocking level of disregard for preventing any threat to reconciliation, I am talking about exactly the failure of Farmaajo to NIP THE HASSAN SHEEKH/SHEEKH SHARIF issue (among others) in the butt and quickly do whatever possible to make the issue about DIFFERENCE IN OPINION not anything remotelt connected to abuse of power or tribalism or any of the issues that fueled the civil war.

Even if Farmaajo WAS TOO PROUD to do it, his pride should have been sacrificed for the good of advancing reconciliation.

Unfortunately, I think isolating the failute to "public relations" is underestimating the existential threat presented by threats to reconciliation for Somalia in particular.

Truthfully I have not been happy or satisfied by Farmaajo's handling of various number of occurrences of this nature and I think it has been his single greatest deficit.

Everything in moderation is always the best. Too hands on and micromanaging is stiffling and too hands off and aloof is literally being absent.

4. Finally, the troops thing; Jowhar and Balcad were LIBERATED and among the first places outside of Mogadishu. For 10 YEARS, 10 GOD DAMN YEARS, the so called army was primarily in the Benadir Region. I mean really put this into perspective. In 2030, is the army only supposed to STILL BE IN BENADIR?

As you know SECURITY REFORM is the single biggest legacy of this government. Security reform is more than just fighting. It is also about STRATEGY. Extensive RESEARCH has found two major reasons for Al Shabaab's persistence in the center of the country...a sort of triangle between Kismaayo -Baidoa -Ceelbuur.

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A. FIRST REASON is the amount of diversity of clans, dialects, and even societies (practically all so called "minority groups" from Somali Bantu to farming cooperatives) present that feel EXCLUDED and MARGINALIZED. They are the biggest source of fighters and recruiters and even safe havens for Shabab. These people have EQUALITY and even dignity to be honest under Shabab who make no distinction based on all the whimsical social conditions we have put in place here on earth. The Somali Bantu or Eyle boy is the same as the Abgaal or Hawiye boy in the neighborhood. Maybe even more important on account of Shabaab dependent on the minority communities. These is why EVERYTIME THOSE AREAS WERE "CAPTURED, " THEY FELL BACK TO Shabaab the minute AMISOM and SNA moved on. That is because there is a POLITICAL AND SOCIO-CULTURAL more unique and prevalent here separate than all the other issues that were feeding insecurity generally.

2. The other reason is THE LANDSCAPE BELONGED TO SHABAAB AND NOT THE SNA AND AMISOM. Picture this when police come to a crime scene, what is the first thing they say?

100% every single time the first step is always "SPREAD OUT, SEAL OFF THE PERIMETER.

If you don't have the perimeters, what is the SCENE in CRIME SCENE? What is the ZONE in BATTLE ZONE? It is ridiculous just how much money, time, and resources have been wasted on such a predictable failure.

You control the perimeters and YOU CONTROL THE LANDSCAPES. You have the access points, the supply lines, you are always in offense NOT defense.

The perimeter has to be controlled from Central Somalia to Beled-Weyne to Bakool to Beled-Xaawo to Ceel-Waaq to Diif to Kismaayo to the Indian Ocean going up coast to Barawe to Mogadishu to Hobyo.

Once the perimeter is full under control, the SNA will move from EVERY SINGLE DIRECTION WITH SHABAAB NOWHERE TO RUN, ESCAPE, GET BACK UP, HIDE.

This time when the heartland is CAPTURED, the government also has a very strong and equitable INCLUSIVE STABILIZATION program.

Central Somalia and Gedo are really just the GUINEA PIGS to test the program out in less challenging condition (the area in central Somalia it has been tested is practically all Habar Gidir and Gedo is practically all Marehan).

The REAL challenge will be the "Gosha" area of Jubbaland (from Jamame and Jilib to Saakoow), the two Shabelle regions (Lower and Middle Shabelle) and the Hiran Region with the entire half west of the Shabelle River.

It is going to be very rocky interesting to see how this goes.
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With due respect Voltage,

Sheikh Shariif n HSM use to travel to Afgooye by car. That's how good the security was. Same with Jowhar forget about balcad.. But with this government security has detorietared to the point Afgooye-Xamar road renovation stopped. That is a big failure bro. Xamar Jowhar road never started xitaa.

I focking invested alot of money on land on that road hoping to get a huge ROI once the road was finished.

But basically this government let shabab win. It's not just roads but two extremely important roads connecting xamar to beeraha Afgooye and Jowhar. It would have been a great legacy for nabad iyo nolol. Imagine the business opportunities.






If I talk about the Pros

No Khilaaf between PM n President
Continually paid salaries
Reaching decision point.

Cons
Terrible internal politics
Terrible on the security.
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great.

he's got 5 months left.

tick tock
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:45 am With due respect Voltage,

Sheikh Shariif n HSM use to travel to Afgooye by car. That's how good the security was. Same with Jowhar forget about balcad.. But with this government security has detorietared to the point Afgooye-Xamar road renovation stopped. That is a big failure bro. Xamar Jowhar road never started xitaa.

I focking invested alot of money on land on that road hoping to get a huge ROI once the road was finished.

But basically this government let shabab win. It's not just roads but two extremely important roads connecting xamar to beeraha Afgooye and Jowhar. It would have been a great legacy for nabad iyo nolol. Imagine the business opportunities.






If I talk about the Pros

No Khilaaf between PM n President
Continually paid salaries
Reaching decision point.

Cons
Terrible internal politics
Terrible on the security.
Abkoow, with all due respect, if you make me due this, you would literally be making me go AWOL due to procrastination.

Jokes aside, but by that I mean putting together meticulously all the evidence that you seem to be completely unaware of.

1. Security was absolutely not "good." In fact it was the complete opposite.

2. By that I am NOT even talking about stuff like "Didn't Al Shabaab actually lay SIEGE INSIDE of Villa Somalia and kill going door to door in Ministriea during Hassan Sheekh."

3. That's the easy stuff. I am talking actual concreet AMISOM, US Command, and UN assessments (all online btw) that show the absolute failure of the previous leadership to in security.

4. There was absolutely NO ARMY in existence. Zero. I have actually written about this to you before describing and posting the results of the Assessment the first month of Farmaajo presidency and the beginning of the Security Architecture as a foundation for Security Reform.

5.You have to understand you just engaged in a CLASSIC "illogical fallacy." I want you to understand this since we are being coming from a place of honest engagement.

Here I summarized my thoughts with example;

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Enough said. No need for excuses
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Abkoow,

I am confused. I just LITERALLY explained to you that YES, security may even have been "perceived" good and one could drive from Mogadishu to Jowhar.

Yes.

That was possible.

But, Abkoow....

THAT'S BECAUSE AMISOM WENT AND CAPTURED AND BECAME BOGGED DOWN.

AMISOM WAS LONG SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN RELIEVED OF COMMAND.


This is a great article written in 2017 following the Start of Security Reform.

Note that it says by the time Farmaajo came to office

1. AMISOM had become FATIGUED
2. They were withdrawing to Mogadishu city center and regional capitals

Why?

They had grown tired of the inability lf the Somali Government to come in and hold the places they capture

https://www.cairopeacekeeping.org/downl ... 123123.pdf

Dude, the situation under previous governments and this government is like;

1. You [previous govts] and I[this government] are head to the same city.

2. You are hitchhiking and I am getting my car together to drive.

3. IN THE BEGINNING you easily get a ride at the side of a highway and you speed off.

4. I am making last tune ups and have to put gas in.

5. You get to the midway point a lot faster aka "security was good."

6. Then all of a sudden YOUR RIDE is like "hey this is as far as I go so you gotta get another ride."

7. Meanwhile it took me a while to get on the road but
I am driving my own car at my own will and get to destination faster.






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Understand this now?

Yeah, it is that serious.
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You actually think you can confuse people with this waffle.

Every single clan and state and region opposes Farmaajo apart from reer Gedo.

Radio silence.
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STARKAST wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:09 pm Every single clan and state and region opposes Farmaajo apart from reer Gedo.
Why do they oppose?
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Interesting question. What’s the chances Voltage is a paid up member of the misinformation social media team of N&N.
I can’t think of any other reason why somebody would spend so many words on something so random as Somali politics.
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This man is autistic, no question about it!!!

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skywalker25 wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:59 pm Interesting question. What’s the chances Voltage is a paid up member of the misinformation social media team of N&N.
I can’t think of any other reason why somebody would spend so many words on something so random as Somali politics.
skywalker25 wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:59 pm Interesting question. What’s the chances Voltage is a paid up member of the misinformation social media team of N&N.
I can’t think of any other reason why somebody would spend so many words on something so random as Somali politics.
GeneralSNM, I think the misunderstanding is, AND I HAVE SAID THIS CONSISTENTLY, we equate "quantity" with exertion aka energy spent = time investment.

The problem is I am not like most people when it comes to writing. It's really the truth.

As for WHY I choose to write, I realized a long time ago just how influential my writings on this little forum have become.

I have always been a stickler on WHERE and HOW when it comes to information. Even my assertions are fact based because without evidence they would not be my assertions. If I can't source it, I don't believe it.

This made me stand out in a forum many come to when seeking Somali perspectives.

I will give you an example.

Who designed the Somali Script?
    1. Skywalker: MUUSE GALAAL WROTE THE SCRIPT, MUUSE GALAAL!!
        • Voltage: You are misinformed. Shire Jama Ahmed designed the script.
          • Source Provided: The 1972 Somali Language Proclamation
        • Skywalker: No! Siad Barre just gave it to him. Read BB Andrezjewski!
            • Voltage: Actually BB Andrejewski led the UN Team that recommended Shire Jama script in 1966.
              • Source Provided: The 1966 UNESCO Report on Somali Orthography
            • Skywalker: 1966?? SO LATE!! Muuse was already picked in the FIRST guddi!!
                • Voltage: This is a misunderstanding between Committee Members vs. Committee Report. Muuse was "chairman" of the committee but the actual script picked was that of Shire Jama Ahmed.
                  • Source Provided: The 1961 First Somali Language Commission
                • Skywalker: I don't know what script he had since most of it was brought together in 1972.
                    • Voltage: Incorrect. Shire used to publish the first Somali language magazine in the 1960's and the script chosen in 1972 is a carbon copy without a single difference.
                      • Source Provided: A 1967 full edition periodical of the magazine Iftiinka Aqoonta.
                    • Sky Walker: This must be Italian Somalia version.
                        • Voltage: According to Hussein Tanzania, the foremost historian from the north, Muuse Galaal was himself one of Shire Jama's greatest advocates. Also, the most recent Somali Language Conference in Djibouti devoted an entire panel session to the history of Shire Jama.
                          • Source Provided: Book by Dr Hussein Tanzania
                          • Source Provided: Djibouti Conference Outline
                        • Sky walker:NAHH NAHAA BOO BOO, MUUSE WROTE THE LANGUAGE NAAH NAHAA BOO BOO
                            • Voltage: If you ever need more context with original source materials, here is Professor Martin Orwin, Chair of African languages at SOAS in London, detailing both Muuse Galal and Shire Jama's histories and affirming credir to Shire as the father of the Somali Script.
                              • Source Provided: 30 min Video Interview of Prof Martin Orwin.
                            • Good day Sir.
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                          Now the funny thing is, you would think this was all directed at you, but no, it wasn't. There is something called Constituent vs. AUDIENCE in people politics.

                          Constituent: All the members here with log ins
                          Audience: All readers brought here by interest

                          A constituent can be part of the audience, but the audience is not always a constituent.

                          When I engage in discussion, by virtue of my own personal disposition regarding strict reliance on evidence and sourcing, I inadvertently became closely followed as a resource for information.

                          What did I do above? I not only fact checked, but I also provided something I do by habit or personal disposition; namely always try to put things in perspective or context; in this case a possible theory for the origins of the erroneous claim.

                          Because Muuse Galaal was the Chairman of the Somali Language Commision (that specifically said the best script is the one by Shire Jama), it is hard to escape the logical link between that and the mythology in the North about Muuse Galaal and the Somali script.

                          It's the worst excesses of the oral society. It seems one man's truth did not necessarily always have to reflect the facts.

                          In any case, this was to answer your statement towards me.

                          I am well aware of the degree of recalcitrance you and many Somalilanders on this board continue to show regarding the facts surrounding the Somali script.

                          I have absolutely no desire to relitigate something I consider established beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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                          STARKAST wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:09 pm You actually think you can confuse people with this waffle.

                          Every single clan and state and region opposes Farmaajo apart from reer Gedo.

                          Radio silence.
                          The ones who fought him the hardest seem to be from Gedo.
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                          HJ talking to MX is like a commoner/Pelebeian talking to Aristocrat.

                          paperino, they oppose due to Farmaajo and his team acting non statesmen like.

                          Voltage, No need to tell fibs.
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                          STARKAST wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:06 am paperino, they oppose due to Farmaajo and his team acting non statesmen like.
                          Are there other teams who acted or are acting statesmen like?
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                          STARKAST wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:06 am HJ talking to MX is like a commoner/Pelebeian talking to Aristocrat.

                          paperino, they oppose due to Farmaajo and his team acting non statesmen like.

                          Voltage, No need to tell fibs.
                          What's the fibs? :ugeek:
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