I have decided to drop the 1956/SYL Ciise branch issue, but if our HW brothers are interested, privately I will share.

[Ben Dover]

Blah blah blah

BendOver/GenSNM/Skywalker, camiradayda ayaa kaaga dartay. War keep it pushing doqonyaho.

Aduunka waxaan u necbahay carab qajac and there is nothing more pathetic then a middle age Lax like you.

Doqonimadaada xataa waad garan la'dahay when someone has found you completely stupid with sheer doqonimo.

Let's see in your teeny weeny head what you think you are affecting.

Marehan is today the President of Somalia. He was yesterday the entire government of Somalia for 21 years. And 500 years ago he is written as the Emir of Somalis.

Even with that, do you think my response to you will be to say "OHHH NOOO, FAAR FROM MIDGAAN."

Nacalad baa kugu taal doqonkiiyoow.

MADHIBAAN waa ahlul bayt, Ilaahayne waxaan aaminsanahay he will shower his mercy on them proportionate to the vulger nacalad you represent individually used to disenfranchise and victimize ummad Soomaaliyeed oo Islam ah.

It's like in your LITTLE itty bitty tiny head, it is difficult for you to realize the sheer irrelevance of your stupidity the MOMENT I CHOSE TO NOT RESPOND TO YOU WITH "OOOHHH NOO MAREHAN IS NOT MADHIBAAN" INADVERTENTLY FURTHER VICTIMIZING AND PUTTING DOWN A GROUP OF PEOPLE I BELIEVE ARE SUPERIOR TO YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL WITH ZERO REDEEMING QUALITIES.

Like I said, aduunka waxaan ugu necbahay carab qajac and by that I mean someone LACKING in intrinsic dhaqan Somali attempting to partake in the worst forms of it.

The day you pranced around opening multiple topics on "GUYSSS IT'S NOT EVEN CALLED BELED-XAAWO, IT'S CALLED BUULO-XAAWO QIX QIX QIX" I realized what a lax you were. Dhoocil yaroo cadaan Maraykan ka timid camal ah who just started reading wikipedia on Somalia.

Even this constant ridiculous quote mining you do on "Boon Marehan," in your little itty bitty tiny head you really think you are affecting equities.

It's as if like Marehan is not known at all by the Somali people let alone known even better than your own clan.

Carab qajac, just like Beled-Xaawo is really "Buulo-Xaawo qix qix qix" was new to you, the only thing displayed by your obsessive personality disorder is your sheer stupidity and cluelessness.

Now keep on the PG little kindergarten level children's stories. My point for even bringing you up is to say IN COMPARISON TO YOU, I would've focking cut your balls off and taken apart your child's play.

Do you think Tol Jecle could live down what I can show about the origins of the Somali clan system using the foundational beginnings of a very large northern clan? Do you think you can cause totally new interest to analyze a clan from even among your own? That you can affect the entire perspective of a clan?

You can't was my point but I focking can do it right this second with the presentation, the original source and discovery and I can do it using your own entire identity as the vehicle.

But I won't. That was my entire point and it stands.

Consider this my last statement to you.

Very poor communication skills.

You boon incel wrote a wall of text and managed to avoid saying anything of value

A token boon in muqdisho has zero impact on the bleak realities facing your boon mahrean in Gedo, you rank lowest of all Somalis (an already very impoverished group) in any developmental metric. Literally rock bottom.

The fact that your marehan community is documented to be of boni hunter-gatherer stock equivalent to Midgans of SL per scholarly work, or that your ancestors subsisted on dead meat is not up for debate. It troubles you, that much is clear... but the more you fight it the more your likes will be humiliated and called boonta mareaxan, midgaans...etc.

I already gave you the solution, come to terms with this part of your history, embrace your heritage, and no one will be able to hurt you anymore.

[paperino]

The fact that your marehan community is documented to be of boni hunter-gatherer stock equivalent to Midgans of SL per scholarly work, or that your ancestors subsisted on dead meat is not up for debate.

There's no shame & nothing is wrong with being a hunter-gatherer or Midgan. The survival skills of hunter-gatherers is something to be admired & aspired to. Facts (including scholarly works) do not support the notion of some people subsisting on dead meat in a region historically known for abundance livestock resources. Holding on to such absurd notions is a sign of backwardness.

[Voltage]

The fact that your marehan community is documented to be of boni hunter-gatherer stock equivalent to Midgans of SL per scholarly work, or that your ancestors subsisted on dead meat is not up for debate.

There's no shame & nothing is wrong with being a hunter-gatherer or Midgan. The survival skills of hunter-gatherers is something to be admired & aspired to. Facts (including scholarly works) do not support the notion of some people subsisting on dead meat in a region historically known for abundance livestock resources. Holding on to such absurd notions is a sign of backwardness.

Full Disclaimer: I like my steak rare, not even medium rare.



It's quite literally the equivalent of our forefathers were from Hejaz---these two things that keep repeating in Somali folklore about who ate dead meat and who was Bani Hashkm Arab descent.

In fact, the TWO BASIC FOUNDATIONS OF Somali myth creation, namely ancestor was Banu Hashim and not from the brother that ate dead meat are essentially function as that "golden ticket"----or golden curse if you look at how the nomadic majority abused the skilled minority.

It is extremely ironic that now in 2020, genetic testing has disproven one of those two foundations FALSE.

I don't know about my friend there, but I took 23 and Me. I am most certainly not Banu Hashim from Hejaz. And also, he claims Isaaq-Habar Jeclo--who similarly got the same M-178 Cushitic haplotype as a result for the most part in all group testing results.

Banu Hashim is fake.

As for dead meat, it doesn't even make scientific sense.

You have to understand the way the dead meat story is employed in Somali culture is not even Hunter-Gatherer. It is scavenger.

So do they eat dead meat (scavenging) or do they eat uncooked food/hunt (hunter-gatherer)?

Do they not know the cultural and evolutionary difference between SCAVENGING and HUNTING/GATHERING is even greater than Pastoralism and Agriculture?

Or did they not know using FIRE and going to HUNT is literally the moment one evolved from scavenging to hunting/gathering?

How about the fact that NOMADIC PASTORALISTS like Somalis are literal the half brother to hunting/gathering in comparison to the distant farmer?

The whole story is nothing more than the simple meanderings of small localized primitive myth creation.

Finally, in my years of seeing someone quote mine this issue of "Bon Marehan", I do not believe I have ever identified this group who were a component of that nomenclature and I did not because to even do so would have been to contribute to that negative legacy.

There is an entire book written about them in Italian in the 1950's documenting their emancipation and resettlement in the Lower Jubba.

I have never come across a single account of someone witnessing them eating dead meat but it was milked to death by their masters to legitimize the system that kept them under bondage.

[Samatalis249]

Voltage I fully agree with what you said about ingriis.
He sadly has destroyed his own reputation due to his “mooryan literature”.

On the note of Twitter...Somalis don’t realise what you write on Twitter will be remembered forever.

Call it cyber natural selection.

He’s the most famous Somali historian of his generation. His work is well respected in Somaliland and Mogadishu where he has millions of people who follow his work.

He will be beaming from radio Mogadishu and will be writing Somali history for the gov in the future, no amount of darood duuso will change that.

That title will soon be taken but that schizo never had it to begin with. Even with his followers; He (Ingriis) never moved the needle in politics in Somalia or even on social media. He was a USC waterboy, I can post the picture if you doubt me. Only angry Landers and jabhad fans love him. While what Voltage posts sparks conversations and kills whole narratives in REAL TIME. My brother is posting anonymously at the same time too! White policy makers and institutions/intelligence services take Voltage's word as xaqiiq. There's levels to this. I don't know why he isn't as arrogant as I would be in that sphere of influence. That just speaks to his humility. I'll piss on you all day wallahi. I have no remorse for my enemies. But lucky he has naxaris.

Lmao forget western policy makers you need to worry about who madoobe will appoint to gedo kkkkkk

[Ben Dover]

The fact that your marehan community is documented to be of boni hunter-gatherer stock equivalent to Midgans of SL per scholarly work, or that your ancestors subsisted on dead meat is not up for debate.

There's no shame & nothing is wrong with being a hunter-gatherer or Midgan. The survival skills of hunter-gatherers is something to be admired & aspired to. Facts (including scholarly works) do not support the notion of some people subsisting on dead meat in a region historically known for abundance livestock resources. Holding on to such absurd notions is a sign of backwardness.

You are regurgitating my point.

Its a recorded historical fact that ancestors of this individual subsisted on the decaying flesh of dead animals, now whether the boon marehan were driven to such extreme measure as a matter of lifestyle or the incident was a one-off occurrence is a topic for another discussion. What is undeniable is that Somalis have historically despised boon marehan and referred to them as servile and of base birth, to the point where a Somali would refuse to sit with a boon marehan for a meal.

My point is that this boon should not feel so beholden to this history of his community, the moment he fully embraces it is the moment it can no longer be used to hurt him.

As for sources on Boni Wagrdha, Boni Hawrarsame and Boni Habar Yacquub, take your pick:



“Rarely are the despised castes so strong that they form real client sub-tribes, such as: Bon Marehan, where they even break up into two tribal halves (the rer hábre yákub and the rer haurársam) according to the usual Somali pattern. They are then also referred to with the expression Pariah midgan Márehan or bön Márehan. The names bon or midgan are used quite indiscriminately.”





etc etc.

[Voltage]

I thought I was quick enough to edit my post, but you are so simple and so incredibly insecure, I am pretty sure you caught my post judging by reposting the MS Paint edit print screens.

I have come to understand you very well.



I don't know what sort of desperation tells you to post an article that literally does nothing but identify Marehan as the single strongest Somali power in British Jubbaland to imply something about proving their....powerlessness?

Dude, the article literally constantly uses Marehan as a juxtaposition for what he calls the noble Somalis. He says Gasar Guda who are the chiefs of Rahanweyn and Rahanweyn are not as noble as Marehan.

He says Gababweyn and Garre are not noble like the Marehan.

He even says Sheekhaal and Hawiye are not the real noble Somali like Marehan.

This is the document isn't it?

https://books.google.com/books?id=eLA1A ... &q&f=false

Nevermind that anyone who knows a little more than "Beled-Xaawo is really Buulo-Xaawo" knows immediately Wagardhac is typo by the Brit like the gazillion times I have seen Toljeclo (funny how the word Habar Jeclo doesn't exist in history before 1890's) put in with Dir.

Wagardhac doesn't have even a village south of Dhusamareb even today let alone be underlined in that map as one of the biggest in British Jubbaland


But all that could be complicated for a carab qajac, what it still doesn't answer is how you take a document that literally speaks about nothing but the supremacy of Marehan and write "they are powerless."

Dude at that point it is like the Muuse Galaal thing.

You have realized after the 1961 Language Commission Report was posted, it is no longer anything about reality.

It is literally salvaging your insecurity even if you have to blatantly lie to yourself.

Considering that you posted it still, I would also like to tel

[Voltage]

To be honest with you GSNM, I am going to employ your strategy for fun.

Let me teach you a little bit about how to wage a cyber campaign.

[Ben Dover]

I thought I was quick enough to edit my post, but you are so simple and so incredibly insecure, I am pretty sure you caught my post judging by reposting the MS Paint edit print screens.

I have come to understand you very well.



I don't know what sort of desperation tells you to post an article that literally does nothing but identify Marehan as the single strongest Somali power in British Jubbaland to imply something about proving their....powerlessness?

Dude, the article literally constantly uses Marehan as a juxtaposition for what he calls the noble Somalis. He says Gasar Guda who are the chiefs of Rahanweyn and Rahanweyn are not as noble as Marehan.

He says Gababweyn and Garre are not noble like the Marehan.

He even says Sheekhaal and Hawiye are not the real noble Somali like Marehan.

This is the document isn't it?

https://books.google.com/books?id=eLA1A ... &q&f=false

Nevermind that anyone who knows a little more than "Beled-Xaawo is really Buulo-Xaawo" knows immediately Wagardhac is typo by the Brit like the gazillion times I have seen Toljeclo (funny how the word Habar Jeclo doesn't exist in history before 1890's) put in with Dir.

Wagardhac doesn't have even a village south of Dhusamareb even today let alone be underlined in that map as one of the biggest in British Jubbaland


But all that could be complicated for a carab qajac, what it still doesn't answer is how you take a document that literally speaks about nothing but the supremacy of Marehan and write "they are powerless."

Dude at that point it is like the Muuse Galaal thing.

You have realized after the 1961 Language Commission Report was posted, it is no longer anything about reality.

It is literally salvaging your insecurity even if you have to blatantly lie to yourself.

Considering that you posted it still, I would also like to tel

Boon, you are still spamming the page with incoherent walls of text.

You must be autistic.

I said nothing about boon marehan being powerless, that may well be the case; they are dominated by other groups in modern times so being powerless back then is entirely possible. That isnt what we are discussing though. We are discussing your ancestors' practice of subsisting on the decaying flesh of dead animals, and how Somalis historically viewed you as equivalents to midgaans.

At this point you're no longer able to claim that historical record does not describe your community as boon midgaans, your other attempt of deflection by claiming boons were slaves was shot down too, as we have actual record of your lineage including Boni Wageidha.

You are still not fully embracing your boni heritage, this is not helpful; you will continue to be called boon marehan by Somalis on almost any platform you visit, even your own kind are calling you boon.

Your salvation lies in fully embracing that part of your history, your ancestors were midgaan, that is history though.. it should not define you today

[dalalos101]

Boon, you are still spamming the page with incoherent walls of text.

You must be autistic.

I said nothing about boon marehan being powerless, that may well be the case; they are dominated by other groups in modern times so being powerless back then is entirely possible. That isnt what we are discussing though. We are discussing your ancestors' practice of subsisting on the decaying flesh of dead animals, and how Somalis historically viewed you as equivalents to midgaans.

At this point you're no longer able to claim that historical record does not describe your community as boon midgaans, your other attempt of deflection by claiming boons were slaves was shot down too, as we have actual record of your lineage including Boni Wageidha.

You are still not fully embracing your boni heritage, this is not helpful; you will continue to be called boon marehan by Somalis on almost any platform you visit, even your own kind are calling you boon.

Your salvation lies in fully embracing that part of your history, your ancestors were midgaan, that is history though.. it should not define you today

2 presidents
4 prime ministers
12 generals

your attack on wagardhac has been debunked, wagardhac do not live in jubaland and so its a glaringly obvious inconsistency, but you didn't know that did you.

[Ben Dover]

2 presidents
4 prime ministers
12 generals

your attack on wagardhac has been debunked, wagardhac do not live in jubaland and so its a glaringly obvious inconsistency, but you didn't know that did you.

Debunked by who? Does the corpse of boon Afweyne have internet access in his Lagos latrine resting place?

The Boon Wagardhac lineage is documented below. This is not up for debate, or debunking. Open and shut.





On a side note, its quite funny that you felt the need to defend Boni Wagardhac and not the other two looma ooyaan Boni Hawrarsame and Boni Habar Yacquub... no point right?

[Ben Dover]

2 presidents
4 prime ministers
12 generals

your attack on wagardhac has been debunked, wagardhac do not live in jubaland and so its a glaringly obvious inconsistency, but you didn't know that did you.

With regards to the meaningless positions you claim, what good did they do your people who are dying of shuban as we speak?

You rank lowest of all Somalis on any metric imaginable. No businesses nor trade, no maamul goboleed, no education.. health.. Somalis have it bad, but your kind have a truly nightmarish existence.

You are dominated by so many groups... from Hawiye to Raxanweyn, to Ogaden, to Ethiopia... and Kenya.. etc etc.

But yeah.. you have a token boon in Muqdisho guarded for his own safety by AMISOM, so its good

[dalalos101]

chimp out

[Ben Dover]

chimp out

50cent is a very important figure in the story of your people's miserable existence, no wonder you reach out to his gif as a source of strength when things get tough




You pretty much walked into that one

[STARKAST]

To voltage: A lion doesn’t concern himself with the opinion of sheep.

[dalalos101]

chimp out

50cent is a very important figure in the story of your people's miserable existence, no wonder you reach out to his gif as a source of strength when things get tough




You pretty much walked into that one

mocking Digil&Mirifle kids who are IDP in Doollow, this is not FDK this is just sad