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Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:40 pm

Iido Cagawayne Guled was an Ogaden lady and the first wife Of Cabdi Ciise who was a warrior leader of the Ciidagale .Iido gave birth to the Suldaan Guleed and Aadan Cabdi thus,founding the Ba'Iido section of Ciidagale .



now ,let me compare the abirsi of Cabdi and his first wife (Since she was his first wife I would safely infer them belonging to the same age set )




Maxamad......6.Mataan........6.Maxamad
Allamgan.......5.Aadan.........5.Allamagan
Guleed...........4.Dhamal.......4.Guleed
Cagawane ....3.Ciise...........3.Fiqicigaal
Iido................2.Cabdi..........2.Jiisow
........................1.Guleed .....1.Cumar


from the above finding I concluded that Guleed the first Iidoor Suldaan a contemporary of some the younger but prominent sub lineages such as:

Cumar Jiisow(OG ,Ree Isaaq)
Liibaan Cukur (OG ,Ree Isaaq)
Ugaas Nuur Cubudhiye (Ree Cabdille)
Faarax Samatar (Ree Cabdille )

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:02 pm

Here i did the abtirsi comparison of three prominent personalities from the era of Sayyid Maxamad .The three are

1.Ugaas Xaanshi (Ree Cabdille OG)
2.Suldaan Diiriye (Ciidagale ,Iidoor)
3 Xarbi Dheere (Ree Isaaq,Ogaden)

Warfaa.......................Dhamal...Guleed
Magan........................Ciise.......Dalal
Warfaa "Aar".............Cabdi.....Fiqi-Waajale
Nuur "Cubudhiye".....Guleed...Dhallin
Maxamuud...............Faarax....Samatar
Faarax"Cade"............Xasan .....Ismaaciil
Xaanshi--..................Diiriye........Xarbi


The first post confirmed the mother of Suldaan Guleed (Iido Cagawayne Guleed) and his possible contemporaries from the Ogaden.This second post further highlights the abtirsi comparison of three key figures from the generation of 1860s to 1930s .

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:36 pm

Here I would like to debunk some false information shared by the Xplaya in one of his threads .

first of all ,Contarary to Xplaya's false claim,Cabdi Ciise had 15 sons from four different wives .but they are usually divided into two ;Bah Iido and Cabdi Bari

Ba Celi 3

1.sugulle"Xaad" Cabdi
2.Maxamed"digirin" Cabdi
3.Amarre "jawaase" Cabdi

Ba samane 2
4.Rooble Cabdi
5.Cali Cabdi

Ba madheedho
6.Raage Cabdi
7.samatar Cabdi

Ba iido 5,
8.Guuled Cabdi
9.Aadan Cabdi
10.Warfaa Cabdi
11.Ileeye Cabdi
12.Caynaashe Cabdi

Bah,???

13.Cawad Cabdi
14.Habarwaa Cabdi
15.Wacays Cabdi


Sugulle Caynaashe had 9 from three different wives (Bah Awal,Bah Celi ,Bah Aadanmadobe)

Cabdi Ciise married the divorcee of Sugulle and that is why both sub clans have BAH CELI .

Lastly, Suldan Guleed had 12 sons but one of them faded into extinction (Magan Guleed) .The remaining 11 are divided into two branches :
-BAH CAMBARO
-BAHA GULEED

Finally I got an online copy. Very informative at sub clan level.

One of the biggest surprise the :

1- Cabdi Ciise vs Sugulle Caynayshe they were contemporaries so they can be compared. Lets start with Cabdi Ciise he had 4 sons:

1- Adan Cabdi
2- Guuleed Cabdi
3- Afweyne Cabdi
4- Caynayshe Cabdi.

Guuleed Cabdi ( Sultan Guuleed) had 17 sons :

1- Yuusuf
2- rooble
3- Jaamac
4- Diiriye
5-Cigaal
6- Gaatax
7- faarax
8- Ducaale
9- Raage
10- cali
11- Abdi
12- Wacays
13- habarwa
14- Cawd
15- maxamed
16- sugulle
17- Amarah
18- Magan ( later this line died after the sultanate conflict)


Sugulle Caynayshe 9 sons:

1- Ducaale
2-maxamed
3-maxmud
4- Ahmed
5- Wacays
6-faarax
7- geese
8-rooble
9-Diiriye

Diiriye Sugulle. ( first hy sultan) a contemporary of Sultan Guuleed had 19.

1- hirsi
2- Adan
3- abdalle
4-Ali
5- Yuusuf
6- samatar
7- ismaaciil
8-abokor
9- maxmud
10-Cigaal
11-Nur
12- cali
13- cawd
14- Guuleed
15-Hassan
16- Ahmed
17-cismaan
18- Jaamac
19- Aman

Those are the laandheere of ciidagale and hy or garxajis.

Can't compare habar Awal because I don't know who was contemporary of who and if they are the same level of tribal segmentations or who brags of laanndheernimo but sure I can do the Reer Daahir faankoodii baa laga fadhiisan waayaye.

The daarood as usual are total embarrassment the dhulos Reer Cali Naaleeye Ahmed, the Majeerteen Reer Mahad are utter embarrassment. Comming up.
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5&t=385407

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:37 pm

Still bursting the bubble of the Xplaya .
The daarood as usual are total embarrassment the dhulos Reer Cali Naaleeye Ahmed, the Majeerteen Reer Mahad are utter embarrassment. Comming up.
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5&t=385407

Cali Naaleeye and Mahad Faarax were contemporaries of Ciise Dhamal and Caynaashe Xirsi

Caynaashe 17 sons (Iidoor)
Calinaaleye 14sons (Dhul)
Mahad Faarax 13 sons (Mj)
Ciise Dhamal 4sons (Iidoor)
Khalaf Doolaal 17(Ree Isaaq OG)
Magan Warfaa 12 (Ree Cabdille OG)


(Cali Naaleeye)(Dhuloz)

1.Farah Ali (Bah Rikhaaye)
2.Mohamed Ali (Bah Rikhaaye)
3.Samatar Ali (Bah Rikhaaye)

4.Igal Ali (Bah ina Araale)
5.Abdi Ali (Bah ina Araale)
6.Fahiye Ali (Bah ina Araale)
7.Ahmed Ali (Bah ina Araale)

8.Hussein Ali (Bah Ina Samatar)
9.Yaqub Ali (Bah Ina Samatar)

10.Yusuf Ali (Bah Abdulle)
11.Elmi Ali (Bah Abdulle)

12.Omar Ali (Bah Idris)
13.Mohamoud Ali (Bah Idris)
14.Wa'eys Ali (Bah Idris)


(Mahad Faarax( 13) (MJ)


1.Guleed Mahad (Bihni Geedi)
2.Xasan Mahad (Bihni Geedi)
3.Axmad Mahad (Bihni Geedi)
4.Yuusuf Mahad (Bihni Geedi )

5.Maxamuud Mahad (Bihni Cali)
6.Warfaa Mahad (Bihni Cali)
7.Jaamac Mahad (Bihni Cali )
8.Warsame Mahad (Bihni Cali)
9.Magan Mahad (Bihni Cali)

10.Nuur Mahad (Bihni Guleed)
11.Kooshin Mahad(Bihni Guleed)
12.Maxamad Mahad.(Bihni Guleed)
13.Aadan Mahad (Bihni Guleed)


Khalaf Doolaal 17 (Ree Isaaq OG)

BAH ABRAAHIIN
1.Kooshin Khalaf
2.Dalalwaal Khalaf

BAH DHULBAANTE
3.Warfaa Khalaf
4.Udan Khalaf

BAH HAWIYE
5.Maxamad Khalaf
6.Suubaan Khalaf

BAREESACAD
7.Caligeelle Khalaf
8.Cilmi Khalaf
9.Guleed Khalaf
10.Duulle Khalaf

BAH ABASGUUL
11.Naaleeye Khalaf
12.Cukur Khalaf
13.Nuuraan Khalaf
14.Jaamac Khalaf

BIHINA JIILAAL
15.Daarood Khalaf
16.Xirsi Khalaf
17.Ciise Khalaf



Lastly, There are many Cabdille Sub clans with the MAGICAL 12 number of Sub lineages

Warfaa 12sons
Magan Warfaa 12sons
Dalal Magan Warfaa 12sons
Xirsi Dalal Magan Warfaa 12sons

(Don't forget Suldan Guleed was a contemporary of Xirsi Dalal (BAH IIDO VS BAH GAADSAN)


MORE CABDILLE BRANCHES WITH THE MAGICAL NUMBER

Xirsi Cilmi (12)
Boon Cilmi (10)
Boon Samatar (12)
Guleed Samatar (10)
Samatar Xirsi-injiriif 12
Kooshin Jeeraar 12
Liibaan Jeeraar 10
Caraale Amaadin 10

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby PrinceNugaalHawd » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:32 am

Inaader Cali Naleeye was a step son of Mahad’s sister, they may have lived in the same era But Naleyah and Mahad are from the same generation.

Naleyah Ahmed 13 sons

Cali Naleyah 14 sons (Ahmed Abdule, Ugaadhyahan Siyaad, Maxamud Garaad)

Samakab Sharmarke of the (Qayaad-Kheir Abdi Garaad) is 15 Branches

Some of The Farah Hagar & Adan Hagar (Adan, Ahmed Garaad, Garaad Faarax) are 14 branches others 8 or more.

The Farah Ali & Ali Nur of the Nur Ahmed (Ahmed Abdule, Ugaadhyahan Siyaad, Mohamud Garaad) & Ali Geri (Ahmed Garaad, Garaad Faarax) & Hassan Ugaas & the Shirwac Ali Naleyah of the Barkaad (Guleed Garaad, Garaad Faarax) all have branches that are 8/10.

Reer Warsame of the Jama Siyaad (Mohamud Garaad) have branches that are 14 and some 9 or more

The Garaad Maxamud Garaad Maxamed (Baharasame Garaad Maxamed, Garaad Faraax) have 9 branches and his son Naleeye Garaad has More branches.

All these sons are from the Great House of Garaad/Ugaas ShirShoore Habarwa.

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:55 pm

Dhulbaante were historically known for their laandheranimo and their wealth of camels and horses.And with that,they dominated their neighbouring clans with might of the sword but all changed after their constant infightings coupled with their dervish role .Still a capable clan but their golden era was between 1800s to 1890s .The era of Aadan Galaydh,Afkaxame,Cali Duullane ,Cartan Boos and Garaad Koreebaas .

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:51 am

16.Muuse.....16.Baahale...16Jibraail...16.Abadir
15.Cabdalle.... 15.Subeer....15.Ibrahim..Daauud
14.Habarwa....14.Maxmd..14.Mxmd.....Maxmd
13.Shirshore...13.Isaaq.....13.Salebn....13.Ciis
12.Mxmud....12.Mxadar....12.Mxmud...12.Matn
11.Siyaad.....11.Axmad......11.Cumar...11.Yusuf
10.Ugaadh...10.Cali............10.Isaaq....10.Xusen
9.Samakb....9.Muumin......9.Cabdile....9.Khalaf
8.Cabdille....8.Maxmd.......8.Jibriil.......8.Sharma
7.Axmad......7.A'magan.....7.Cigalle.....7.Guleed
6.Axmad......6.Guled.........6.Shirwac...6.Faarax
5.Naleye......5.Fiqicigal.....5.Faarax....5.Diini
4.Cali...........4.Jizow.........4.Mahad....4.Dalal
3.Cumar......3.Liibaan......3.Aadan.....3.A'magan
2.Cabdalle.2.Maxmad....2.Warsame..2.Cabdille
1.Faarax ....1.Aw-Muse.......1..Jaamac....1.Shiil



16.Baahale..........16.Isaaq..........16.Isaq
15.Subeer............15.Daaud........Siciid
14.Maxamad......14.Muuse........Carre
13.Cabdille........ 13.Adrxman.....Ismaciil
12.Maxdrob..... .12.Cabdalle ....Cabdalle
11.Yuusuf..........11.Ibrahim .....Cumar
10.Khalaf........... 10.Abokor......Aadan
9.Xasan..............9.Xusen.........Maxamad
8.Khalaf............. 8.Mataan....Xildiid
7.Xirsi.................7.Aadan......Cisman
6.Samatar..........6.Dhamal.....Xirsi
5.Guleed...........5.Ciise.......Caynaashe
4.Samatar.........4.Cabdi........Sugulle
3.Faarax .. ........3.Guleed......Diiriye
2.Warfaa............2.Ducaale....Amaan
1.Raage(Ugaas) .1.Nuur.........Xirsi


Abtirsi famous men from the generation born in 1825s to 1835. The generation of Sayyid maxamd's father .in other words ,the founding fathers of the generations born in 1850s to 1880s

Faarax-Afxame (Dhuloz)
Aw-Muuse (OG)
Jaamac (MJ)
Shiil (MRX)
Raage"Ugaas" (OG)
Xirsi Amaan (Iidor)
Suldan Xasan (Iidor)



Hint : Those men I gave the same number tag possibly belonged to the same generation with an age gap of -20 or + 20 .

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:54 am

CabdiCiise waxay fac ahaan la simanyihiin dhanka ree Isaaqa Ree Wajaale .Wàa labo qolo oo faro iyo suugaanba xifaaltami jiray.Dagaalna kolba nin baa libaysan jiray blse muhiimada aan isu garab dhigay ayaa ah inaan tuso XPLAYA in tolkii uu maalin waliba buun buuniyo ay jiraan reero la fac siman tirana ka badan .



Amaanduulayaashii caanka ahaa ee 1840 ilaa 1860kii ee Cabdi Ciise iyo ree Wajaale waxay kala ahaayeen.

Xirsi Samatar Dhallin Fiqi-Wajaale (OG)

Nuur-tayo Faarax Guleed Cabdi (Iidoor)




Saldanada Ree Guleed oo ah mida ugu facwayn iidoorka ayaa 1870kii dabayaaqadeeda isku qabsadeen labo nin oo wiil iyo adeerkii ah

Warsame Faarax Guleed
Ducaale Guleed


Warsamihii ayaa loolankii kuyara adkaaday blse intii loo ballaansanaa Caleemo saarka ayuu ku baxay gacan ree Wajaale .Walaalkii Nuur-tayo ayaa ku cataabay latuduc ee hose .



Walee reer Wejalaan kadin waran cad soo siinin

Walee will la dilay baan Warsame weydii loo noqon



Abwaan kale oo ciidagale ayaa ku digtay cabiciisaha la jaray


Markii ree wajaale idin helay waad ka hogateene
Waataad habsawdeen markay idin haleleene
Waataad hareer ugu baxdeen heeshigii dhalaye
Hal galina iyo maalin bay idin hoyadeene

Sidi bay u haystaan qotilan haybta ree dalal e
Sidi bay haways caanihii ugu hadidaane
Maad kala hadhaan waa idinkii ciil la hiinfidhaye






CabdiCiise waa 15 jilib oo Marna labo waaxood loo qaybiyo (Bah Iido iyo Cabdibari) marka kalena afar bahood ah

Ba'Iido
Beceli (Cabdibari)
Basamaane (Cabdibari)
Bah madheedho(Cabdibari)

horay ayn u xusay bah waliba intay ka kooban tahay.



Ree Fiqi-Wajaale waa 16jilib oo afar waaxood ama Afar Bahood ukala baxa

1.Axmad Wajaale (Ba Cabdalle )
2.Aw Cali Wajaale (Ba Cabdalle)
3.Guleed Wajaale (Ba Cabdalle)

4.Liibaan Wajaale (Bi Ciise)
5.Seeraar Wajaale (Bi Ciise)
7.Warfaa Wajaale (Bi Ciise
8.Colow Wajaale (Bi Ciise)
9.Cilmi Wajaale (Bi Ciise)
10.Maxamad Wajaale (Bi Ciise)

10.Kooshin Wajaale(Baree Ibraahim)
11.Magan Wajaale (Baree Ibraahim)
12.Dudub Wajaale (Baree Ibraahim)
13.Wacays Wajaale (Baree Ibraahim)

14.Xirsi Wajaale (Bihidoor )
15.Goohe Wajaale (Bihidoor)
16.Dhallin Wajaale (Bihidoor )



Labadii nin ee isu gabyi jirtay Xarbi dheere iyo Qawdhan waxay ku kala arooraan labadan reer .Sidaan qiyaas ku hayo Xarbi iyo Qawdhan waxay dhasheen 1850kii mudo ku siman waxay na soo gaadheen ilaa 1930kii .


6.Dalal.........................6.Dhamal
5.Fiqi-Wajaale ...........5.Ciise
4.DHallin(Bihidoor)...4.Cabdi
3.Samatar.................3.Guleed (Ba'Iido)
2.Ismaaciil................2.Ducaale
1 Xarbi......................1.Qawdhan


Ciise iyo Fiqiwajaale in kastooy isa soo gaadheen hadana ma fac sinayn oo Cabdi ayaa la ayni ahaa Wajaale .Ree Ducaale iyagaa jees yar oo abtir gaaban noqday .Waataan horay usoo xusay in Ducaale Aftaag rag uu midna adeer u yahay midna awoow u yahay uu saldanada Guleed kula loolamay

Ducaale Guuleed
Diiriye Xasan Faarax Guuleed
Warsame Faarax Guuleed



Duruustan waxay si khaas ah ugu socotaa ninkii Jifooyinka hose ee Iidoor wax waawayn nooga dhigi jiray isagoo kuwa Daarood inta badan ku sheega "Utter embarrassment " away Sheeka-Xume XPLAYA :lol:

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby aareeye » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:18 pm

Interesting thread. But this has to be most late rebuttal in somnet history kkkk

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:39 am

Interesting thread. But this has to be most late rebuttal in somnet history kkkk
It is never too late .I wanted Xplaya to show up in this thread but the dud3 hasnt been around for a while .

I do research on Somali clans and Bah'iido was one my latest significant finding in my quest of qabiil intricacies .

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby TarTar » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:44 am

Interesting thread. But this has to be most late rebuttal in somnet history kkkk
:lol: waar xplaya you cause so much ciil this nigga did 3 years of research for a rebuttal :clap:

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby Seedyare » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:58 am

Interesting thread. But this has to be most late rebuttal in somnet history kkkk
:lol: waar xplaya you cause so much ciil this nigga did 3 years of research for a rebuttal :clap:
Though I might detest him for his Gaalnimo and hawkish behavior ,still Xplya ranks forefront in the list of my favourite Snnetters.The guy has something to offer ,his threads give me a lot of hints regarding on Somali history and clans .

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby aareeye » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:13 am

Interesting thread. But this has to be most late rebuttal in somnet history kkkk
:lol: waar xplaya you cause so much ciil this nigga did 3 years of research for a rebuttal :clap:
Not xplaya but i had a good chuckle haha! saddex sanno ayuu baadhitaan ku jiray :lol:

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby aareeye » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:14 am

Interesting thread. But this has to be most late rebuttal in somnet history kkkk
:lol: waar xplaya you cause so much ciil this nigga did 3 years of research for a rebuttal :clap:
Though I might detest him for his Gaalnimo and hawkish behavior ,still Xplya ranks forefront in the list of my favourite Snnetters.The guy has something to offer ,his threads give me a lot of hints regarding on Somali history and clans .
Ha niyad jabin bro professor X might show up anytime soon

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Re: Bah Iido (Ciidagale)

Postby aareeye » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:25 am

Interesting comparative abtirsis but Just a small piece of advice, when using abtiris to estimate ages of different clans, first compare numerous people from the same clan and get the average abtirsi. Using individuals with exceptionally long or short abtirsis can skew your estimation. Anyways this debate is between you and Mudane X, i'm just going to leave you guys a few 20th century Xirsi Cismaan abtirsis that are not Reer Sugulle.

Xirsi Caamir was a Reer Weyd poet who took part in the Silsilada Xaydha in the mid 20th century

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Aw Diiriye Guuleed (Father of professor Caraale) who also participated in in Silsilada Xaydha
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Vice President of Somalia (1969-71) General Maxamed Caynaanshe

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Abtirsi of Xaaji Waraabe commander of Hagoogane raid

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Faacuul aadan Jugle man who shot Giib in 1922 and refused Cali Dhuux to water his camels at Cammuud


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