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The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

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The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby BigBreak » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:23 am

Although I am not from Hiiraan and I am not from Somalia I think that this region is being mistreated badly by a the weak central government in Mogadishu. Why should Hiiraan have to be foisted with a government of Hiirshabelle state without its involvement, violating the power sharing agreement along the way (this agreement has been witnessed and supported by the international community).

I think it's time Somalia should return to the six regions of the early sixties when Somalia was part of the now defunct Somali Republic (6 regions made up Somalia and the other 2 made up Somaliland)

The benefits of independent Somalia (separate from Somaliland) returning to the six regions of the 1960s are clear to see. Hiiraan should be on its own so that it can thrive whilst Mudug should be a single and united region without any so called Green Line dividing Galkayo and Mudug as a whole into two vertically

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Re: The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby BigBreak » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:59 am

Under a loose federalism that emulates the UAE political system (albeit a republican and democratic version), Somalia should be divided into the following six federated states:

1. Puntland state (Nugaal and Bari regions)
2. Galmudug state (entire Mudug region and Galgudud region)
3. Hiiraan state (only Hiiraan)
4. Shabelle state (Middle Shabelle, Banadir and Lower Shabelle regions)
5. Southwest state (Bay, Bakool and Gedo regions)
6. Jubaland state (Middle Juba and Lower Juba regions)

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Re: The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby juelz » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:26 pm

You’re Somali stop lying to yourself. You are Somali as can be most of the Somali poets and literature comes from your region and your tribe is well respected and historic place in Somali society. Please stop lying to yourself.

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Re: The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby sahal80 » Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:30 pm

Thank you my friend


Niyahow hada mawduucaas dib looguma noqon karo laakin special status ayay hiiraan u leedahay as the only undivided gobol taas oo xoojinaysa caseka in Hogaanka hirshabelle ka yimaado hiiraan besides being the bigger look at the size of Baladweyne marla mooge markaan dirno aa Hirdhabelle isku soo moqon doontaa inshallah ayadoo casekaas la fiirinaayo.

this is the former UN envoy. waa arin ku jirtay heshiiskii IGAD. once we kick out Mooge we gonna fix this.
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Re: The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby Turbulence » Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:59 pm

Since the central government in Mogadishu is weak and powerless, reer Hiiraan shouldn't allow such an entity to mistreat them. They shouldn't have any trouble chasing it away.

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Re: The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby Voltage » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:30 pm

The basis of this topic is false.

The full story may end up shocking but it deserves to be told in context, not out of it.

Hiiraan is "not" an "original region."

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1. Hiiraan was never part of Italian Somaliland. It was under "Mudugh" region during Italian Somalia.

2. It was the only region created AFTER Italian colonialism ended but BEFORE Somalia got independence.

3. And the "only" region "made" during Trusteeship happened to be where---all magically and coincidentally---the Trusteeship leaders would "just" come from; Sh Ali Jimcale, Adan Cadde, Abdullahi Ciise.


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And furthermore, no "voting" ever took place in said region which;

1. Just happened to be created
2. Just happened to be given the most parliamentary seats.
3. Just happened to send the would be Trusteeship Somalia officers to the Legislative Council.

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Trust me when I say, everything they say about Gedo region or 18 regions actually happened in Hiiraan. Corruption, nepotism, opportunism, and even A DÍFFERENT SET OF ENGINEERED "ELECTION" SYSTEM WHICH WAS NOT 1 MAN/1 VOTE IS WHY HIIRAAN WAS CREATED AS A REGION.

Hiiraan is at the center of one of the most shocking and damning aspects of Somali history only very few people are aware of even though the basic facts are all all know separately of each other.

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Re: The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby Voltage » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:57 pm

I would also like to add that the "oldest" intact administrative region of Somalia is "Jubbaland" and "Gedo" region in particular.

1. Before Italian colonialism, British Jubbaland was in existence divided into 3 districts.
2. British Jubbaland was from Dollow to Kismaayo as Jubbaland is today.
3. Between Dollow to Baardheere was the district of SERINLEY === GEDO REGION EXACTLY BETWEEN DOLLOW TO BAARDHEERE!

And the official treaty shows Marehan was the only clan in the district except for Gasargude/Gababweyn communities near Luuq---exactly as TODAY!

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Furthermore, although I will not share it now, but official Italian justification of breaking up Jubbaland once they got it is available DIRECTLY from the records of the Italian colonial admin in Mogadishu.

If Jubbaland was kept together, it would "prevent" cohesion and keep the region separate from other Italian Somaliland due to previous history as British Jubbaland.

So Rome broke it in half and connected them horizontally to contiguous neighbor.

That was the only "political" time Jubbaland regions were formed.

All Somali gov did when IT REVERTED back to original British Jubbaland was reflect the more appropriate administrative organization, i.e. Maxa Tiri speaking Marehan were not reflected in the Italian political decision.

The same Maxa-Tiri speaking Marehan who were the majority of Upper British Jubbaland as the official treaty between Italy and Britain shows!

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Re: The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby sahal80 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:20 pm

misawiradiisa markii la soo dhigay aan arkey canugaan inuu waalan yahay oo fiyoobeen :russ:

hada ka hor aan soo galiyay baladweyne plain markaasuu soo dhigay bustii gaduudneed ee caabudwaaq iyo mudug :snoop:

kaaga daranee wuxuu ku leeyahay somalia xamar lee ka tagay baadiye iyo taariikh iyo iyo geel cayaaro iyo balaayo uusan aqoon uu ka hadlayaa.

wuxuu aabaa cudur isku dhex yaac la dhoho hala yaabin suu u qarxo hadii mooge laga ama gedo laga hadlo malaha fariin qabta :dead:

He’s angry as he was food for eelay before Siad Barre. He had to speak Af-Maay before Siad barre saved him 1974 as his capital was baydhabo b

anaga kama hadleyno map taatiikhi ah qurun iyo qac iyo waxaan loo joogin waxaan ka hadleynaa jamhuutiyada somalia markay xornimada qaadatey in lagu aasaasay sideed gobol 6 koonfur ah oo hiiraan ka mid aheed iyo labo waqooyi ah waxaan waalan muxuu ka sheekeynayaa? sideedii originalka aheed ayay hiiraan ka soo hartey.

teeda kale wuxuu u heestaa wax cusub inuu keenay. anigaa hortiis ka hadley dhowr sano ka hor waana soo galin karaa maybe 2015-2016 xilugii federalismka oon soo qaatey sidey baladweyne ay ugu ahaan jirtay caasimad Mudug. HG aan ka bartey oo filekaan soo saarey laakin waxaa ka horeeyay buuloburde oo ceeldheer gaarsiisneed. general daaud ka fiiri google buuloburde uu askarnimo uga baxay mapka hoose fiiri

waa socdeen talyaanigii baladweyney gaareen kadib intaan hobyo ka aheen ay mudug uga sii gudbeen baladweyne ayaana xarun u aheed.canugaan naftirkiisa was under baladweyne kkk

aniga muran badan marobo hiiraan waxay aasaasantay 1954, 1956 doorashada ayay ka soo baxdey xaasidnimadaad ku gubo abdullahi isse asagoo hobyo u sivda ayaa sh ali jimcaale kursi ka siiyay hiiraan ka horna ganacsade uu ka ahaa kadib SYL hogaamiyay adan cadana waa u dhashay. waligee ma gaareysid baladweyne stay under kablalah in Kismaayo or go back to your eelaay KG
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before your mudug map we had Hiiraan/ upper shabelle mp GFOH :-@ im done with you forever keep posting your isku yaac mr 1974 aka Gedo

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Re: The rights of reer Hiiraan must be respected

Postby Voltage » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:36 pm

1. Everything you brought is irrelevant.


2. The discussion about Hiiraan formation is a Somali national issue.

3. I don't even recognize any attempts to "tribally own" this discussion.

4.As such, if you will respond, respond on the merits not sentimental tribalism.

5. Finally, understand what you want to respond to before responding.

You ask the question why am I bringing this up in a conversation about the "original regions of 1960" when you yourself have brought that Hiiraan was originally part of Mudugh?

If you understood my point, you would not ask that question.

Starting at 1960 is like stealing from a bank and when one is outside the bank after money is taken----then saying "START NOW" as the benchmark to judge who legally owns whatever money is in their hands

Well what about 5 minutes before when you took that money from the bank?

"Oh it doesn't matter, the countdown started now."

The question about the formation of Hiiraan in terms of legality and nepotism is widely agreed upon.... So this point about "1960 regions" is entirely illegitimate.

And it is only one of the major problems with the 1960 regions.

It doesn't even reflect the completely contextual move that separated original Jubbaland.

I don't know what you mean about Gedo was controlled by Baidoa, but the administrative mistake the Italians made resulted in ONLY MAREHAN being the clan to win representation under their own name even under colonialism.

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85% of present day Gedo was under the district of "Lugh Ferrandi"

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So yes, in "name" Gedo was administratively under Alto Giuba, but Lugh Ferrandi's political outcomes ALWAYS REFLECTED THE MISTAKE ORIGINALLY MADE through its sheer autonomous independence.

It was never controlled structurally, even the Residents named to Lugh Ferrandi were Marehan.

This is another example of how "1960" as the bench mark is akin to historical ignorance/robbery when even in 1956 those regions were actually unreflective of reality.


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