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What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby sahal80 » Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:44 am

How can an FMS operate like a tribal sheikhdom of a clan ruling its lands when multiple clans live in each FMS whose borders with the next FMS was designed by Europeans? The 7 Emirati trucial states or tribal states were already in existence and united as the UAE when they signed a treaty with Britain in the early 19th century while you had no Hirshabelle state just some XL clan chiefs like Muumin Foodey and Uleex Faarax.

What you want exactly is Hirshabelle autonomy or some kind of Xawaadle sultanate, if there was Hirshabelle autonomy then the Mudulood and the rest of the Hirshabelle clans can easily politically gang up on you with no respect to a gentleman's agreement, atleast under the auspices of the SFG you have mediators, checks and balances, other FMS allies and room to protest or enforce your influence etc.

I agree with the qabali system, we are all clans and pull resources together to build a community with a bottom up approach like the Islamic Courts, but that will have to address the regional make up as they were not designed with respect to clan make-up otherwise the Italians wouldn't have made Mudug into one region. Hawiye's lands in Somalia are continguous anyway and they always shared 1 greater power be it Ajuuraan, Hiraab or the Italians. Just based on that alone it would make sense to have 1 mega Hawiye state with minority rights respected.
No bro im Talking for Hawiye, Daarood and D&M not subclans that is sometning should be sorted out by each clan. for example hirshabelle powersharing was reached by Hassan Sheekh, Hawadle Siyaasi Qoono, Hawadle businessman Farah Ugaas Ali Mahdi, Abgaal Imam, Waceysle boqor After IGAD settlement we also had this Abgaal-Hawadle meeting. i don't want post it here qoone said this in his interview they Agreed hawadle to take the president and Abgaal the capital. same agreement will be restored back in two years. i heard that Mahad Salaad and Bukhari who dislikes QoorQoor were behind not to state the FMS extension in the statement bc Mahad Feels his current NISA post is not secure after the Zoope attack to he wants to replace QoorQoor in 16 months(the end of his term) this is good for us because Mahad Salaad is behind letting Qoorqoor finish his term and this applies to Guudlawe who has two years. every HAG policy is made by HG.

Dubai and Abu dhabi share same tribal roots. Sharja and Rasulkheyma are ruled by the same family. we dont have to have one Hawiye state
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qasimi


i suggested the same powersharing between the Daaroods. minority clans in each state should be looked after by their mother States in a positive way. for Example Gaaljecel and Shiikhal in JL can use their tribal connections with Mogadishu, Dir can use their tribal connections with Djibouti and SL


this clan is called Al shixuux means البخلاء kuwa aan waxba dhulkooda laheen oon waxba bixin شح الامطار Roob la,aan الشح means scarce. الشحوح being mean bakhill for lack of any thing . they used to live on the mountains but today they r rich so mijority of them live in in the Omani musandam governorate and minority of them in the UAE. those in the UAE are part of this Omani governorate. war carabta isma dhex galaan xataa minoritygooda ma xukumaan.
"Historically, the Shihuh were difficult to govern and their principal northern villages were often secessionist, depending on the inaccessibility of the terrain they inhabited.[14] They were frequently in conflict with the Sharqiyin of the east coast of the UAE, but would settle their differences to make common cause against the central authority represented by Sharjah when the Sharqiyin made one of their numerous attempts to shake off that yoke.[15] The Shihuh were frequently in conflict with the Al Qasimi of both Sharjah and Ras Al Khaimah and were generally more ready to accept the Suzerainty of Muscat.[1"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shihuh
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madha


Musandam itsself is not connected Oman they have to go through the UAE!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musandam_Governorate

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby BigBreak » Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:04 am

Sahal the UAE has a collegial form of federalism whereby the Federal Supreme Council of local rulers is part of the national level executive branch

Sahal federalism means strong national government and every federal country that isn't a failed state eg UAE and Germany has a strong federal government. Somalia will forever be a failed state if it doesn't have a strong federal government that rules all of Italian Somalia including Nugaal and Bari regions

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby sahal80 » Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:44 am

Sahal the UAE has a collegial form of federalism whereby the Federal Supreme Council of local rulers is part of the national level executive branch

Sahal federalism means strong national government and every federal country that isn't a failed state eg UAE and Germany has a strong federal government. Somalia will forever be a failed state if it doesn't have a strong federal government that rules all of Italian Somalia including Nugaal and Bari regions
The one who has more wealth enjoys more power in the UAE so the power is concentrated in Abu dhabi and Dubai they have veto power too in the federal supreme council against any policy. the Federal Govt is literally about them rest are nominal members but they have the same rights when it comes to their local resources and managing their affairs they have local Govt they say دوائر instead of wazaaraat
president always comes from Abu dhabi so who ever Ala Nahyan pick the rest "elects him"
Dubai ruler is the vice president and the PM. Defence and Financial policies are for Dubai foreign and internal policies are for Abu dhabi. example in this link Al Maktoum finance minister Al Nahyan FM. their ministers carry the title Deputy pm and... Dubai Ruler forms the Govt. Let us call Abu dhabi Mogadishu Hawiye and Dubai PL Daarood that is what you call "the strong federal govt" its a joint Govt not like the US Govt!
and then you have the federal subrime council wich includes the nominal members from the other Emirates who r less wealthy and relay on them.
https://uaecabinet.ae/ar/cabinet-members

this is one local ministry of Sharjah local Govt. pics of the local wasiir and the ruler . any thing happens in this Emirate Abu dhabi has no business in it only immigration and so is one policy anything foreign

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby mahor » Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:43 am

Sahal the UAE has a collegial form of federalism whereby the Federal Supreme Council of local rulers is part of the national level executive branch

Sahal federalism means strong national government and every federal country that isn't a failed state eg UAE and Germany has a strong federal government. Somalia will forever be a failed state if it doesn't have a strong federal government that rules all of Italian Somalia including Nugaal and Bari regions
Switzerland is also a great example of a country that has devolved gov power to cantons and regions and has been stable for centuries. We've tried the central gov route, it didnt work, now we either test another system or we simple break the country apart. Gone are the days when one part of the country burns means we all burn.
Im amazed secessionists who have complained about centralisation under the gov in the 80s and gave up on somalia in 91 due to similar issues are the ones to call for a strong gov. Thats because you niggas are xaasid asf, you want the rest of somalis to rot under a system that you fleed from.

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby BigBreak » Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:00 am

Sahal the UAE has a collegial form of federalism whereby the Federal Supreme Council of local rulers is part of the national level executive branch

Sahal federalism means strong national government and every federal country that isn't a failed state eg UAE and Germany has a strong federal government. Somalia will forever be a failed state if it doesn't have a strong federal government that rules all of Italian Somalia including Nugaal and Bari regions
Switzerland is also a great example of a country that has devolved gov power to cantons and regions and has been stable for centuries. We've tried the central gov route, it didnt work, now we either test another system or we simple break the country apart. Gone are the days when one part of the country burns means we all burn.
Im amazed secessionists who have complained about centralisation under the gov in the 80s and gave up on somalia in 91 due to similar issues are the ones to call for a strong gov. Thats because you niggas are xaasid asf, you want the rest of somalis to rot under a system that you fleed from.
Nonsense, Somaliland first was created in the late 19th century and was an independent country before we crazily united with your Somalia. Somaliland has the right to be independent but Puntland, Jubaland etc don't have the right to secede because they have always been part of Somalia

Only former European colonies in Africa can be independent countries

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby BigBreak » Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:04 am

Sahal the UAE has a collegial form of federalism whereby the Federal Supreme Council of local rulers is part of the national level executive branch

Sahal federalism means strong national government and every federal country that isn't a failed state eg UAE and Germany has a strong federal government. Somalia will forever be a failed state if it doesn't have a strong federal government that rules all of Italian Somalia including Nugaal and Bari regions
The one who has more wealth enjoys more power in the UAE so the power is concentrated in Abu dhabi and Dubai they have veto power too in the federal supreme council against any policy. the Federal Govt is literally about them rest are nominal members but they have the same rights when it comes to their local resources and managing their affairs they have local Govt they say دوائر instead of wazaaraat
president always comes from Abu dhabi so who ever Ala Nahyan pick the rest "elects him"
Dubai ruler is the vice president and the PM. Defence and Financial policies are for Dubai foreign and internal policies are for Abu dhabi. example in this link Al Maktoum finance minister Al Nahyan FM. their ministers carry the title Deputy pm and... Dubai Ruler forms the Govt. Let us call Abu dhabi Mogadishu Hawiye and Dubai PL Daarood that is what you call "the strong federal govt" its a joint Govt not like the US Govt!
and then you have the federal subrime council wich includes the nominal members from the other Emirates who r less wealthy and relay on them.
https://uaecabinet.ae/ar/cabinet-members

this is one local ministry of Sharjah local Govt. pics of the local wasiir and the ruler . any thing happens in this Emirate Abu dhabi has no business in it only immigration and so is one policy anything foreign
Somalia should copy this joint government the UAE has. Let Puntland state be Somalia's president, Banshabelle state have Somalia's prime ministry and Southwest state have the vice presidency of Somalia

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby mahor » Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:14 am

Sahal the UAE has a collegial form of federalism whereby the Federal Supreme Council of local rulers is part of the national level executive branch

Sahal federalism means strong national government and every federal country that isn't a failed state eg UAE and Germany has a strong federal government. Somalia will forever be a failed state if it doesn't have a strong federal government that rules all of Italian Somalia including Nugaal and Bari regions
Switzerland is also a great example of a country that has devolved gov power to cantons and regions and has been stable for centuries. We've tried the central gov route, it didnt work, now we either test another system or we simple break the country apart. Gone are the days when one part of the country burns means we all burn.
Im amazed secessionists who have complained about centralisation under the gov in the 80s and gave up on somalia in 91 due to similar issues are the ones to call for a strong gov. Thats because you niggas are xaasid asf, you want the rest of somalis to rot under a system that you fleed from.
Nonsense, Somaliland first was created in the late 19th century and was an independent country before we crazily united with your Somalia. Somaliland has the right to be independent but Puntland, Jubaland etc don't have the right to secede because they have always been part of Somalia

Only former European colonies in Africa can be independent countries
Which country or UN body believes that current Somaliland state represents the continuation of the somaliland that received independence from the UK in 1960? This is something that somaliland believes, but its not legal fact or binding in anyway. As far as anyone is concerned you are just another federal state in Somalia - really it makes no difference. Tomorrow Puntland can claim to be a seperate country or a continuation of a sultanate - but without international recognition it wont mean squat, just hot air. All of this is compounded by the fact that Somalia claims this "country" of yours and at any point in the future can grab it like it can jubbaland/puntland and the world will not react any different because they already believe you are part of somalia.

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby gobdoon » Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:39 pm

The irony is as Sahal made clear on many occasions this site that he believes Hawiyesim rather than Somalisem
So he glorifies USC a lot yet since the collapse of the government beesha Hawiye distroyed every thing has not spared any one fighting and even killing among themselves up to the present while putting different shorts religios and tribal one

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby Isseayaanle » Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:44 pm

The irony is as Sahal made clear on many occasions this site that he believes Hawiyesim rather than Somalisem
So he glorifies USC a lot yet since the collapse of the government beesha Hawiye distroyed every thing has not spared any one fighting and even killing among themselves up to the present while putting different shorts religios and tribal one
Yet his also a victim of HAG during aided and even presently!

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby sahal80 » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:09 pm

The irony is as Sahal made clear on many occasions this site that he believes Hawiyesim rather than Somalisem
So he glorifies USC a lot yet since the collapse of the government beesha Hawiye distroyed every thing has not spared any one fighting and even killing among themselves up to the present while putting different shorts religios and tribal one
Yet his also a victim of HAG during aided and even presently!
:lol: Gen Caydiid was Messiah and halyeey may allah reward him for his good deads. every group had civil wars Mjs fought, Isaaqs fought. i was in carabta in mid 90s and i remember huge isaaqs arriving there fleeing from the war and today SL is very stable. we have to learn from the past so we can move forward.

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby gobdoon » Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:09 pm

Fortunately majority of Hawadle people are good people who believe peace, Somali nimo, horumar, ganacsi iyo wax isdhafsi, but it seems Sahal and possible his family had a good connection with USC garabka Caydiid and we all know what they done to the capital of the nation but thanks good they might have spoiled some parts of the country but never achieved their twisted objectives untill Aidiid himself died violently

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby sahal80 » Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:37 pm

The topic is not about the civil war please stop hijacking my thread i dont want to turn it into clan bashing this is about the positive side of tribalism وتعاونو على البر

but if i say my two cents about HG and General Caydiid for the last time i am not exaggerating HG is clan that that supports Xaqa and puts an end to the dictatorships like Caydiid and Rooble it doesn't matter if they r bad tribe or Good tribe ان الله لينصر هذا الدين برجل فاسق ilaahay diintaan wuxuu ugu gargaari nin faasiq ah. gargaarka wuxuu ka imaan karaa dhinac kaste xataa hadey dhib badan yihiin.
they may not know how to rule because they are revolutionaries but they are great at liberating and putting an end to injustice. Xataa Hassan Sheikh HG aa qaban doonta he will not continue as likes.

Ceydiid dulmi uu naga qaadey, Waqooyi iyo Koonfurba that's HG role their role is not to establish a Govt there r other clans who r good for that. Rooble has stopped Farmaajo dictatorship he saved Xamar then we had free elections and an Abgaal president not HG! the revolutionary role of HG has come to end that is why i said may Allah reward Caydiid for standing for Xaq. let us stop here bc your talking about me as Hawadle not Caydiid ablnd daarood and this is my opinion on him: a messiah and deliverer.

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby Isseayaanle » Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:55 pm

The irony is as Sahal made clear on many occasions this site that he believes Hawiyesim rather than Somalisem
So he glorifies USC a lot yet since the collapse of the government beesha Hawiye distroyed every thing has not spared any one fighting and even killing among themselves up to the present while putting different shorts religios and tribal one
Yet his also a victim of HAG during aided and even presently!
:lol: Gen Caydiid was Messiah and halyeey may allah reward him for his good deads. every group had civil wars Mjs fought, Isaaqs fought. i was in carabta in mid 90s and i remember huge isaaqs arriving there fleeing from the war and today SL is very stable. we have to learn from the past so we can move forward.
😂 lol Sahal is victim glorifying the one who massacred him. This is why I said you’re not a sane person. Walahi I gotta give it to my Daarod friends. People who litterly hate each other and massacre each other are forced to play pretend just to fend of bigger wolf. Guys you don’t have to be this afraid of Daarods to pretend to love each other. We southern live with Daarod also and they can’t do shit to us. I bet when HSM betrays, Sahal will turn around and say “We’ll atleast he’s not Daarod or atleast he gave me a waziir”.

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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby sahal80 » Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:16 pm



Yet his also a victim of HAG during aided and even presently!
:lol: Gen Caydiid was Messiah and halyeey may allah reward him for his good deads. every group had civil wars Mjs fought, Isaaqs fought. i was in carabta in mid 90s and i remember huge isaaqs arriving there fleeing from the war and today SL is very stable. we have to learn from the past so we can move forward.
😂 lol Sahal is victim glorifying the one who massacred him. This is why I said you’re not a sane person. Walahi I gotta give it to my Daarod friends. People who litterly hate each other and massacre each other are forced to play pretend just to fend of bigger wolf. Guys you don’t have to be this afraid of Daarods to pretend to love each other. We southern live with Daarod also and they can’t do shit to us. I bet when HSM betrays, Sahal will turn around and say “We’ll atleast he’s not Daarod or atleast he gave me a waziir”.
Lol so you are not Daarood? i wasted my time on you! we don't have conflict with another group weather you are D&M or Dir minority. aniga waxaan fiiriyaa common interests. HG waa dhib badan tahay baa la dhahaa laakin maanta waa qabiilka kaliya ee Hawiye oo xuduudiisa ka aamin nahay. kuwaan passive ka ah waa ku dhib qabnaa waxaa heesta Shabaab. Jijeele waa gugundhabe waxaan ka jeclahay Gaaljecel oo habeesneen.
aniga ma fiiriyo kanaa i neceb iyo kanaa i jecel waxaan fiiriyaa bas yaan wax wadaagi karnaa therefore i see HG great neighbours.
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Re: What if Somali FMS functioned Like the UAE?

Postby gobdoon » Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:34 pm

Well I believe at the end of the day We are all entitled our opinions rightly or wrongly so We shouldn't judge harshly because of of what they express but we should rather discuss the right way agree to disagree and coexist without using violent means so remember you may not see every one eye to eye


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