How come Somaliland is not allowed to be an independent country but South Sudan is ?

[grandpakhalif]

So if this is so clear, why does federal government cock block Somaliland?

I think SL needs to come back to Mog and sign the agreement to seperate recognition lies in Mog just like how Eritrea got their independence from Addis. Serious talks are needed because both sides are hostile.

It's not like amhara and Ethiopians supported Eritreas independence from Ethiopia. The tigrayans did how ever supported. Eritrea invaded Ethiopia ruled it for a few years and then signed of a UN supervised referendum on independence from Ethiopia. Meles and sibhat they were oke with it. The Eritrean army was in Ethiopia until 1994 it helped the tigrayans consolidate power in Addis Ababa. And oromo regions. Sudan was forced by the US to sign off a UN supervised referendum after a short union with South Sudan because of the oil and the evangelical Christians republicans supported it. That's why the the talks in 2005 John garange secured a referendum for his people. All Somaliland needs is support from one regional or powerful nation on the planet. Or the walanweyns to give in and support a UN supervised referendum on independence. But the walanweyn way cago jiidayaan the talks. The sooner the walanweyns accept Somaliland recognition the better for them. And for us imagine Somaliland gaining recognition ina few years with out the support of Somalia. Alla calool xumayda. The relations between the 2 counties will always be bad. For decades to come. Worse case scenario Somalia and Somaliland fight another war and then the west enforces peace by a UN supervised referendum and that be the end of it. Why go through All that mud and bad history. Why not accept the reality on the grond. And just let bygone be bygone. And call it a day. If Somaliland was in the position of Somalia. And it was Somalia that wanted to break away somaliland would give its blessing right the same moment.

Lets say the south accepts your recognition and signs it but the world and UN still refuse to recognize? Your goal is acccess global markets and receive loans to build your infrastructure right? This requires billions in loans and may endebt you for generations. Perhaps the status quo is best for now until a New World Order emerges.

[Khalid Ali]

If Somalia sppports and recognises Somalilands independence the rest of the world will follow with in24 hours. There is no UN that will oppose this the former somali Republic on both sides supports the seperation of somaliland from the Somali Republic UN will welcome this. The Arabs will cry though. We don't. Want to borrow billions of dollarof aid from the imf no one in Somaliland will ever do that recognition will boost trade relations with other states and foreign state to state investments that requires diplomatic recogntion and we want to bring in international banks. But not to borrow billions of dollars of aid no my friend we are smarter then that.

[Nomand]

: kKhalid,

3ven your mates Djibouti and kenya are against waqooyi galbeed independence.

Plus you don't need recognition to trade, it just that you have nothing to trade other then livestock and you import everything similar to the rest of somalia.

[grandpakhalif]

If Somalia sppports and recognises Somalilands independence the rest of the world will follow with in24 hours. There is no UN that will oppose this the former somali Republic on both sides supports the seperation of somaliland from the Somali Republic UN will welcome this. The Arabs will cry though. We don't. Want to borrow billions of dollarof aid from the imf no one in Somaliland will ever do that recognition will boost trade relations with other states and foreign state to state investments that requires diplomatic recogntion and we want to bring in international banks. But not to borrow billions of dollars of aid no my friend we are smarter then that.

I think its time for government of Somalia to do so just that but the people of Buhoodle and other tribes who arent pro SL should have the option to remain under Mogadishu. Do you agree? Support self determination for all

[Khalid Ali]

If Somalia sppports and recognises Somalilands independence the rest of the world will follow with in24 hours. There is no UN that will oppose this the former somali Republic on both sides supports the seperation of somaliland from the Somali Republic UN will welcome this. The Arabs will cry though. We don't. Want to borrow billions of dollarof aid from the imf no one in Somaliland will ever do that recognition will boost trade relations with other states and foreign state to state investments that requires diplomatic recogntion and we want to bring in international banks. But not to borrow billions of dollars of aid no my friend we are smarter then that.

I think its time for government of Somalia to do so just that but the people of Buhoodle and other tribes who arent pro SL should have the option to remain under Mogadishu. Do you agree? Support self determination for all

Ofcourse I am sure people of buhoodle laascanood and. Laasqoray will choose somaliland over Somalia any time. They would absolutely gian nothing being part of Somalia. They had a. Major fall out with buqland self determination is the key how ever

[Khalid Ali]

: kKhalid,

3ven your mates Djibouti and kenya are against waqooyi galbeed independence.

Plus you don't need recognition to trade, it just that you have nothing to trade other then livestock and you import everything similar to the rest of somalia.

Djibouti fears port competition a strong somaliland next to do them obviously scares them.. Kenyans are actually the most pro somaliland all the Kenyans i met in hargeisa are pro Somaliland and support our unique case in the African continent. Somaliland need recognition to trade it makes it smoother to get better deals when you are sovreign states. If we had recognition do u think we would be abused by Saudi prices for our livestock. We would make atleast 3 billion dollars a year form it instead of 2 now. We also have gold gemstones other minerals and even oil. Our economy has allot of potenial. Combined with our new port which is due to open in 2 months.

[grandpakhalif]

If Somalia sppports and recognises Somalilands independence the rest of the world will follow with in24 hours. There is no UN that will oppose this the former somali Republic on both sides supports the seperation of somaliland from the Somali Republic UN will welcome this. The Arabs will cry though. We don't. Want to borrow billions of dollarof aid from the imf no one in Somaliland will ever do that recognition will boost trade relations with other states and foreign state to state investments that requires diplomatic recogntion and we want to bring in international banks. But not to borrow billions of dollars of aid no my friend we are smarter then that.

I think its time for government of Somalia to do so just that but the people of Buhoodle and other tribes who arent pro SL should have the option to remain under Mogadishu. Do you agree? Support self determination for all

Ofcourse I am sure people of buhoodle laascanood and. Laasqoray will choose somaliland over Somalia any time. They would absolutely gian nothing being part of Somalia. They had a. Major fall out with buqland self determination is the key how ever

I admit dhullos are doing much better under SL than Pl just look at Laascaanod pre 2007 and post its a world of difference. Good luck sxb. I for one support you the mess that is known as Somalia is not going to fix anytime soon idinka waaya arag baad ahaydeen reer wanlaweyn wa dad aan nidaam rabin.

[Nomand]

: kKhalid,

3ven your mates Djibouti and kenya are against waqooyi galbeed independence.

Plus you don't need recognition to trade, it just that you have nothing to trade other then livestock and you import everything similar to the rest of somalia.

Djibouti fears port competition a strong somaliland next to do them obviously scares them.. Kenyans are actually the most pro somaliland all the Kenyans i met in hargeisa are pro Somaliland and support our unique case in the African continent. Somaliland need recognition to trade it makes it smoother to get better deals when you are sovreign states. If we had recognition do u think we would be abused by Saudi prices for our livestock. We would make atleast 3 billion dollars a year form it instead of 2 now. We also have gold gemstones other minerals and even oil. Our economy has allot of potenial. Combined with our new port which is due to open in 2 months.

That's the average kenyan joe, we are talking about Kenyan government. They are against somaliland independence

[GIJaamac]

Because the world doesn't want another conflict ridden poor african land to become a sovereign country. Somaliland has nothing to offer for world super powers. Their land has no signigicant natural resources and their human capital is extremely low. I mean if Somaliland were given a recognition there would be a civil war betweeen isaaq and daarood in Sool and Sanaag. And perhaps betweeen isaaq sub-clans too because of billions of aid money. I can't see a scenario where Somaliland could become a successful developed country. Lamagoodles are too primitive and too self destructive to create one. The current state is the best for Somaliland apart from coming back to unity.

[Khalid Ali]

Because the world doesn't want another conflict ridden poor african land to become a sovereign country. Somaliland has nothing to offer for world super powers. Their land has no signigicant natural resources and their human capital is extremely low. I mean if Somaliland were given a recognition there would be a civil war betweeen isaaq and daarood in Sool and Sanaag. And perhaps betweeen isaaq sub-clans too because of billions of aid money. I can't see a scenario where Somaliland could become a successful developed country. Lamagoodles are too primitive and too self destructive to create one. The current state is the best for Somaliland apart from coming back to unity.

Somaliland hasn't had a war for over 25 years why on earth would it have one in the future. It didn't had a war in the most contested elecions in 2017. What makes u think it will fight over petty stuff Somaliland isn't Somalia. Where people fight over the most meaningless thing.

[Khalid Ali]

: kKhalid,

3ven your mates Djibouti and kenya are against waqooyi galbeed independence.

Plus you don't need recognition to trade, it just that you have nothing to trade other then livestock and you import everything similar to the rest of somalia.

Djibouti fears port competition a strong somaliland next to do them obviously scares them.. Kenyans are actually the most pro somaliland all the Kenyans i met in hargeisa are pro Somaliland and support our unique case in the African continent. Somaliland need recognition to trade it makes it smoother to get better deals when you are sovreign states. If we had recognition do u think we would be abused by Saudi prices for our livestock. We would make atleast 3 billion dollars a year form it instead of 2 now. We also have gold gemstones other minerals and even oil. Our economy has allot of potenial. Combined with our new port which is due to open in 2 months.

That's the average kenyan joe, we are talking about Kenyan government. They are against somaliland independence

Raila odinga and his party has openly called for Somaliland recognition he even held a speech at the Chatham House in England london. On the issue this is the former prime minister if he had won the elections he would have recognised somaliland. Railas father was very good friends with his excellency former president of somaliland maxammad xaji Ibrahim cigaal. As for Kenya as it stands today. There are warms relations president bixi visited Nairobi state visit. Held talks with uhurro kenyatta Kenya will open a diplomatic office in somaliland I think they already did l. And from there they will strengthen ties. In allot of key sectors education trade aviation. This is very significant.

[Gubbet]

Is Farmaajo eligible for SOMALILAND citizenship purely as a theoretical manner Khalid?

Also, (and do not be mad as there is scientific objectivity to this), the major Somaliland clan is the most haplotypically diverse clan among Somalis. It actually seems to have almost all the diversity where mainline haplotypes are concerned confirming that at some point a social construct took place resulting our understanding of clans today.

The fact that other clans are haplotypically homogeneous is not evidence that a social constrict did not take place for them eigher.

But haplotypic diversity is clear evidence that a social construct did take place however.

Given that experience, what is to prevent a continuing advancement of the soci construct where the specific territory of SOMALILAND is concerned.

For example, a component not part of the major Somaliland clan today from "Somalia" becoming a member of the Somaliland clan tomorrow.

[Khalid Ali]

I don't get it what is it that you mean can farmaajo be part of Somaliland. On what basis farmaajo is from Somalia abudwaaq. The Somaliland law states any oke who has a parent from Somaliland prior to 26 June 1960 Is A Somalilander period.

[Gubbet]

His mother is Dhulbahante. You know what I mean. I asked because Farmaajo uniquely in his personal identity represents a complication in the Somaliland/Somalia two state solution as theorized by right-wing Somalilanders.

Farmaajo is paternally Italian Somaliland but maternally British Somaliland as points of clear objectivity.

Some Somalilanders have said there is nothing legal standing in front of a person like him becoming a Somaliland citizen as a theoritical matter.

Others, like Faysal Waraabe, have expressed the opposite although it wasn't evident if this based on a legal foundation (i.e. purely tribal rationalization).

And even more, some others like prominent Somaliland legislator Jirdeh Hussein, have expressed the view that Farmaajo is theoritically already a "natural born" Somalilander as a default and only on announcing his loyalty to Somalia snd not Somaliland on the day of official agreement of separation ("Somalia's recognition of Somaliland's existence as a nation separate to Somalia") will be a non-Somaliland. In effect, there is no need for application at all, but process of renunciation.

What is your perspective? Is it fed by a legal understanding as Jirdeh, a tribal realism understanding as the 2nd, or a political ideological understanding as the 1st?

And you ignored the 2nd question if it was accidentally.

[Khalid Ali]

Well that's a difficult one really he has a parent from Somaliland but that doesn't make him necessarily a somalilander. How ever you could make that argument that he choose Somalia instead of Somaliland. And that removes him from his Somaliland status.

Your second question I didn't quiet get it. Is it tribe about isaaq as a qabil and that they share different haplogroups. But what does that have to do with Somaliland as a nation every isaaq subclan is a seperate clan with in Somaliland wax dusha iska saaran maleh. Obviously during the 13 century there were allot of adoption of clans and people's the sheikh isxaaaq children 8 sons and their allies mostly people who. Lived in mait and xiis. And even other Yemeni saints wa lugu daray. To form the bigger ishaaq nation.