Caabudwaaq District council in the 50's (Dusa Mareb District before 1971 and 18 regions)

[NGM]

Lads lads lets agree to disagree, I oppose the Kacaan you support Kacaan, lets keep it simple and nice, I added my comments on the Kacaan in this thread because it is relevant to the history of this particular district and region.

[nine]

Lads lads lets agree to disagree, I oppose the Kacaan you support Kacaan, lets keep it simple and nice, I added my comments on the Kacaan in this thread because it is relevant to the history of this particular district and region.

Kacaanist leftism ended liberalism nacnac in Somalia.

[Gubbet]

Lads lads lets agree to disagree, I oppose the Kacaan you support Kacaan, lets keep it simple and nice, I added my comments on the Kacaan in this thread because it is relevant to the history of this particular district and region.

No one is contesting your right to political dissent or freedom of speech. I don't care what you say about the Kacaan.

We should try not to carelessly express that bringing into question the Marxuum's intentios is all.

[NGM]

Lads lads lets agree to disagree, I oppose the Kacaan you support Kacaan, lets keep it simple and nice, I added my comments on the Kacaan in this thread because it is relevant to the history of this particular district and region.

No one is contesting your right to political dissent or freedom of speech. I don't care what you say about the Kacaan.

We should try not to carelessly express that bringing into question the Marxuum's intentios is all.

I cannot speak for his attention, and neither can you, in Islam we go by what is apparent and what has evidence backing it.

1. Siyad Barre removed age old clan borders(tomesini line) and relocated Hawiyo into our land and towns
2. Siyad Barre neglected SSDF/USC/Derg who attack and eradicate MX villages in Doollo, it got so bad army officers had to desert the SNA to start jabhado for their kin getting attacked by Abdulahi Yusuf
3. Siyad Barre armed to the teeth WSLF aka Ogaden geeljire who quickly turned their new guns on MX in Doollo/Qoraxeey and later on Siyad Barre during civil war with SPM
4. Siyad Barre arrested entire MX political class and imprisoned for life some like Adan Low died in prison, others escaped and fled the country.
5. Siyad Barre did not build a single significant structure be it factory, road, bridge, airport in any of the remaining MX land he did not already import shisheeye to.

list goes on, Kacaanism = MX sacrificial slaughter not nationalism.

[TarTar]

Lads lads lets agree to disagree, I oppose the Kacaan you support Kacaan, lets keep it simple and nice, I added my comments on the Kacaan in this thread because it is relevant to the history of this particular district and region.

No one is contesting your right to political dissent or freedom of speech. I don't care what you say about the Kacaan.

We should try not to carelessly express that bringing into question the Marxuum's intentios is all.

I cannot speak for his attention, and neither can you, in Islam we go by what is apparent and what has evidence backing it.

1. Siyad Barre removed age old clan borders(tomesini line) and relocated Hawiyo into our land and towns
2. Siyad Barre neglected SSDF/USC/Derg who attack and eradicate MX villages in Doollo, it got so bad army officers had to desert the SNA to start jabhado for their kin getting attacked by Abdulahi Yusuf
3. Siyad Barre armed to the teeth WSLF aka Ogaden geeljire who quickly turned their new guns on MX in Doollo/Qoraxeey and later on Siyad Barre during civil war with SPM
4. Siyad Barre arrested entire MX political class and imprisoned for life some like Adan Low died in prison, others escaped and fled the country.
5. Siyad Barre did not build a single significant structure be it factory, road, bridge, airport in any of the remaining MX land he did not already import shisheeye to.

list goes on, Kacaanism = MX sacrificial slaughter not nationalism.

nigga was Darod 1ster. Did not particular favor Marehan. Arming cagdheer against Isak, Marehan fend for themselves n forgiving SSDF. Makes perfect sense y he sacrifice Marehan for grander Darod ideology scheme

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Lads lads lets agree to disagree, I oppose the Kacaan you support Kacaan, lets keep it simple and nice, I added my comments on the Kacaan in this thread because it is relevant to the history of this particular district and region.

No one is contesting your right to political dissent or freedom of speech. I don't care what you say about the Kacaan.

We should try not to carelessly express that bringing into question the Marxuum's intentios is all.

I cannot speak for his attention, and neither can you, in Islam we go by what is apparent and what has evidence backing it.

1. Siyad Barre removed age old clan borders(tomesini line) and relocated Hawiyo into our land and towns
2. Siyad Barre neglected SSDF/USC/Derg who attack and eradicate MX villages in Doollo, it got so bad army officers had to desert the SNA to start jabhado for their kin getting attacked by Abdulahi Yusuf
3. Siyad Barre armed to the teeth WSLF aka Ogaden geeljire who quickly turned their new guns on MX in Doollo/Qoraxeey and later on Siyad Barre during civil war with SPM
4. Siyad Barre arrested entire MX political class and imprisoned for life some like Adan Low died in prison, others escaped and fled the country.
5. Siyad Barre did not build a single significant structure be it factory, road, bridge, airport in any of the remaining MX land he did not already import shisheeye to.

list goes on, Kacaanism = MX sacrificial slaughter not nationalism.

Fair and logical critique on the effects of Kacaanism on MXs and in my view in particular Ximan MXs. That’s the cost of his Somali liberalism but again you gotta understand it was a particular era where Somalis were united as a people and werent as divided as today. Somali nationalism of that period was basic and childish that OUR generation has to correct and phase it into a mature one. What I counter with simply is, if Kacaanism was so bad ( again I acknowledge the negative repercussions on Ximan MXs) why is his brand and leadership style so relevant today then? I’m not a Kacaanist as I’m not a leftist. But I am a Siyaadist - his leadership style and potent pragmatic foreign policy. I as a Reer Gedo have grievances in regret on how he neglected development in my degaan - I share the similar grievances but not the liberalism on property rights as Mudug MXs. But to me again, he’s the symbol and xiniyo of MXs as a supreme leader of men. But do not fret brother. Adan Loow is our ideological father in this generation for us MXs but to others Siyaad is theirs. That’s potency and magic of his leadership. His charisma was generational.

[Gubbet]

Saddam that wasn't Siad's liberalism bro, that was Siad's progressivism. This represents the main confusion point for most people as it shows the most STARK difference between the two.

It is also the reason why Libertarians are called LIBERtarians or neo-Liberals as the closest adherents to the ideology of Liberalism unfettered.

If Liberalism is a word it is FREE.

If Progressivism is a word it is BETTER.

Most modern "Liberals" are NOT neo-liberals (Libertarian) because they don't see unfettered freedom as BETTER for society.

But of course not all Liberals are progressives either because they still fundamentally believe in a FREE market something whic progressives will even start managing for a BETTER society.

Which brings us to this;

Liberal--------------------------------------------------------Progressivism

Anarchist•Libertarian•Lberal | Progressive•Socialist•Communist


The space "Liberal | Rogressive" in the gradiant is where progressives are Liberals and vice versa.

Siad's "scientific socialism" put him between "Socialist•Communist."

Siad was a progressive that's why he was pro-woman, anti-tribalist, empowered the oppressed, made éven Samantar, a man from such an oppressed background, his 2nd in xommand and the head of government delegating to every powerful Somali man around the table from all the powerful Somali clans including the men from Siad's own clan.

He was not a Liberal at all. He was a progressive scientific socialist.

Once you understand him from that perspective, you can imagine then Siad would be fighting against his own self if he were biased toward Marehan in the beginning of his Government.

This is why I don't blame him at all though in hindsight we as Marehan have a right to be regretful about outcomes.

[Gubbet]

No one is contesting your right to political dissent or freedom of speech. I don't care what you say about the Kacaan.

We should try not to carelessly express that bringing into question the Marxuum's intentios is all.

I cannot speak for his attention, and neither can you, in Islam we go by what is apparent and what has evidence backing it.

1. Siyad Barre removed age old clan borders(tomesini line) and relocated Hawiyo into our land and towns
2. Siyad Barre neglected SSDF/USC/Derg who attack and eradicate MX villages in Doollo, it got so bad army officers had to desert the SNA to start jabhado for their kin getting attacked by Abdulahi Yusuf
3. Siyad Barre armed to the teeth WSLF aka Ogaden geeljire who quickly turned their new guns on MX in Doollo/Qoraxeey and later on Siyad Barre during civil war with SPM
4. Siyad Barre arrested entire MX political class and imprisoned for life some like Adan Low died in prison, others escaped and fled the country.
5. Siyad Barre did not build a single significant structure be it factory, road, bridge, airport in any of the remaining MX land he did not already import shisheeye to.

list goes on, Kacaanism = MX sacrificial slaughter not nationalism.

nigga was Darod 1ster. Did not particular favor Marehan. Arming cagdheer against Isak, Marehan fend for themselves n forgiving SSDF. Makes perfect sense y he sacrifice Marehan for grander Darod ideology scheme

Ever since I identified you, xooga shaar kaad galuuska furtay sow maad is oran?

[grandpakhalif]

Back to the topic I know Ugaas Diininis buried in Iidoole so mahan its quite enamouring really.

[Gubbet]

Grandpa, look at my name.

Iidoole is basically Gubbet today or historically Gubbet Faarax Siyaad named to Diini'w grandson Faarax Siyaad

[grandpakhalif]

Grandpa, look at my name.

Iidoole is basically Gubbet today or historically Gubbet Faarax Siyaad named to Diini'w grandson Faarax Siyaad

You need to do research on Ximan MX migration patterns pre 1900s. It would be excellent to see the route to Gedo in a synchronized map

[Gubbet]

Grandpa, look at my name.

Iidoole is basically Gubbet today or historically Gubbet Faarax Siyaad named to Diini'w grandson Faarax Siyaad

You need to do research on Ximan MX migration patterns pre 1900s. It would be excellent to see the route to Gedo in a synchronized map

It is actually something I am working on.

The problem is records internally as you know are not great, BUT I came across Cerulli who recorded the poems of GUULEED JUCFO and many of the poems were actually conceived WHILE in migration as part of.later groups of Galti in the 30's

So the stories and poems are actually a live DOCUMENTARY of what was happening to Somalis during that tjme; including very.critical of spreading Italian Westernization.

Also.this is Gubbet (in Somali gubbet is a little depression that fills with water and becomes temporary pond after heavy rainfull)