Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Gubbet,

This why your side will lose to me eventually. What all these colonial stooges understand is xoog. You don’t negotiate with cancer. You eliminate it.

[Gubbet]

Comparing Mudulood ownership to Kismaayo is just bollocks. There isn’t even a any historical evidence to your claims. Darood themselves are new to Kismaayo let alone your Reer cheese. Rewriting history to your own agenda is just a lame game. Ps don’t involve us in your internal wars. Somalia is a eat or be eaten world and Mudulood did not take supreme position in Benadir by begging. We defended our position by the barrel of a gun and so if you can’t do the same, than I suggest you just live with the fact of being ruled. Case closed

You neither understand the topic nor even the random reference. What you do understand, as always, is how to be "reactionary."

Next.

Why is it everyone from different tribes sees it one way and you guys don’t.

Why are there always 10 Hyenas cackling while AARSADE feeds?

[Gubbet]

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Gubbet,

This why your side will lose to me eventually. What all these colonial stooges understand is xoog. You don’t negotiate with cancer. You eliminate it.
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[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

[=ReturnOfMariixmaan post_id=5004946 time=1624339761 user_id=181842]
Gubbet,

This why your side will lose to me eventually. What all these colonial stooges understand is xoog. You don’t negotiate with cancer. You eliminate it.

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We’ll see I’m pessimistic for your assessment. This is jungle rules Somalia.

[Phinks]

Grandpa & Marixmaan: So we're defending Caydid now? The same guy that chased MX past the Kenya border? The reason why MJ/AG refused to acquiesce to Caydid was because he wanted to rule with a iron fist alongside OG, it was their bulls$%it that broke the straw for the Isaaq prompting them to leave the union, stop the calacal.

He didn’t fight us using TPLF or KDF did he? Caydiid all the bitter issues we had with him one thing I’ll admit for his ragnimo is he fought us with his own xiniyo.

And he lost... being killed by the same people he claimed to be fighting for, it was thanks to him Isaaq finally gave up on us, a shameful legacy. TPLF/KDF wouldn't be here if wasn't for this unakaaleh isbaaro zoo mentality, we only have ourselves to blame.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Grandpa & Marixmaan: So we're defending Caydid now? The same guy that chased MX past the Kenya border? The reason why MJ/AG refused to acquiesce to Caydid was because he wanted to rule with a iron fist alongside OG, it was their bulls$%it that broke the straw for the Isaaq prompting them to leave the union, stop the calacal.

He didn’t fight us using TPLF or KDF did he? Caydiid all the bitter issues we had with him one thing I’ll admit for his ragnimo is he fought us with his own xiniyo.

And he lost... being killed by the same people he claimed to be fighting for, it was thanks to him Isaaq finally gave up on us, a shameful legacy. TPLF/KDF wouldn't be here if wasn't for this unakaaleh isbaaro zoo mentality, we only have ourselves to blame.

Don’t blame us sxb. We didn’t start this war did we? I’m just shock at the cognitive dissonance of your side. What they expect from us after 10yrs of KDF killing us! Milk and cookies? Lmao

[Phinks]

I would never blame the common people, I'm talking about these clan militias. MX persecution (heck any Somali whether Galbeed, Mudug or Waqooyi or Al-Shabab in Puntland and South/Central Somalia) is a symptom of Zoo politics, it all starts from 91 and the constantly revolving door of petty clan alliances.

If saner heads prevailed in 91, none of us would be having this convo right now.

[TarTar]

Grandpa & Marixmaan: So we're defending Caydid now? The same guy that chased MX past the Kenya border? The reason why MJ/AG refused to acquiesce to Caydid was because he wanted to rule with a iron fist alongside OG, it was their bulls$%it that broke the straw for the Isaaq prompting them to leave the union, stop the calacal.

He didn’t fight us using TPLF or KDF did he? Caydiid all the bitter issues we had with him one thing I’ll admit for his ragnimo is he fought us with his own xiniyo.

And he lost... being killed by the same people he claimed to be fighting for, it was thanks to him Isaaq finally gave up on us, a shameful legacy. TPLF/KDF wouldn't be here if wasn't for this unakaaleh isbaaro zoo mentality, we only have ourselves to blame.

dude y u still bitching about Caydid? n yeah Aydid fought Majerten n Marehan but u don't see Marehan moaning about Hawiya. N yeah he also entered Hamar without foreign troops.

n 1 more thing stop mentioning Isak when u complain about him. Aydid is honorary Lander

[Osob101]

Gubbet

I don’t understand and neither bothered to understand your gibberish so stick to writing your revisionism history.

As for the other Ilmo cheese as I said either you fight for the position of supremacy or you just submit to be ruled.

[Gubbet]

Gubbet

I don’t understand and neither bothered to understand your gibberish so stick to writing your revisionism history.

As for the other Ilmo cheese as I said either you fight for the position of supremacy or you just submit to be ruled.

You are imposing yourself right now, Osob and it has been the least likeable attribute about you for as long as I remember which I oddly thought you got a handle on since you haven't displayed it for quite some time.

Once again, raali ahow and it's not the apology raali ahow either. Waxaad sanka la neef tuuraysid waa halagula dagaalo waanu kuu jeednaaye.

[Phinks]

He didn’t fight us using TPLF or KDF did he? Caydiid all the bitter issues we had with him one thing I’ll admit for his ragnimo is he fought us with his own xiniyo.

And he lost... being killed by the same people he claimed to be fighting for, it was thanks to him Isaaq finally gave up on us, a shameful legacy. TPLF/KDF wouldn't be here if wasn't for this unakaaleh isbaaro zoo mentality, we only have ourselves to blame.

dude y u still bitching about Caydid? n yeah Aydid fought Majerten n Marehan but u don't see Marehan moaning about Hawiya. N yeah he also entered Hamar without foreign troops.

n 1 more thing stop mentioning Isak when u complain about him. Aydid is honorary Lander

An honorary lander that allied himself with SPM?

Nobody cares about Caydiid, Morgan, Bixi, Hiraale, Jess and the rest of those warlord clowns, they're either dead or about to be, good riddance.

[Gubbet]

Honestly, let the dead be. End of story. I want to move on. That wasy entire point about the 22 years thing.

We are not two camp. We are over a 100 little factions based on reero where the higher we go vertically we can call on more alliances until we are 6 major clans and a 7 group unlinked to these webs of alliances.

6 is still not 2 camps.

The point is there is not one Somali without grievance and as this topic shows as virulently within the 6 clans just as outside it.

Let's move on

Barre Hiiraale, Barre Hiiraale, Barre Hiiraale...no one has desired to bring up what caused Marehan to even decide to fight Morgan or what Majerten did to Col Afgabdeedle or about what you sought to profit from our misery caught between Al Itihad-SNF- Ethiopian invasion of Gedo in 1996...byt that's because culturally as a clan we don't calaacal.

You are talking about Morgan and Barre Hiiraale WHILE WE ARE DEVELOPING GRIEVANCE RIGHT THIS SECOND WITH YOUR CONDUCT UNDER DENI ATTACKING OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN FOR POLITICS AND GIVING COVER TO KENYAN GUNSHIPS KILLING MAREHAN NOMADS.

RIGHT THIS SECOND.

And you guys are at SSDF iyo Heblayo half a century ago.

You said Marehan being victims needs to die, YOUR SELF-VICTIMIZATION NEEDS TO DIE.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CLAN WITH MORE CUQDAD AND PERPETUALLY INJURIOUS THAN MAJERTEN.

MOVE ON BRO. SERIOUSLY.

[NGM]

Gubbet

I don’t understand and neither bothered to understand your gibberish so stick to writing your revisionism history.

As for the other Ilmo cheese as I said either you fight for the position of supremacy or you just submit to be ruled.

Osob Salaam sista, I agree drawing parallels between two seperate region with completely different demographics and history is moronic to say the least, in JL there is a minority getting backed by Kenya in a supremacist fight against the majority, it has always been like this, a 100 years ago it was this exactly same minority albeit Cawlyahan not Rer Abdille getting backed by the British against the majority MX in Jubaland.

[Phinks]

Honestly, let the dead be. End of story. I want to move on. That wasy entire point about the 22 years thing.

We are not two camp. We are over a 100 little factions based on reero where the higher we go vertically we can call on more alliances until we are 6 major clans and a 7 group unlinked to these webs of alliances.

6 is still not 2 camps.

The point is there is not one Somali without grievance and as this topic shows as virulently within the 6 clans just as outside it.

Let's move on

Barre Hiiraale, Barre Hiiraale, Barre Hiiraale...no one has desired to bring up what caused Marehan to even decide to fight Morgan or what Majerten did to Col Afgabdeedle or about what you sought to profit from our misery caught between Al Itihad-SNF- Ethiopian invasion of Gedo in 1996...byt that's because culturally as a clan we don't calaacal.

You are talking about Morgan and Barre Hiiraale WHILE WE ARE DEVELOPING GRIEVANCE RIGHT THIS SECOND WITH YOUR CONDUCT UNDER DENI ATTACKING OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN FOR POLITICS AND GIVING COVER TO KENYAN GUNSHIPS KILLING MAREHAN NOMADS.

RIGHT THIS SECOND.

And you guys are at SSDF iyo Heblayo half a century ago.

You said Marehan being victims needs to die, YOUR SELF-VICTIMIZATION NEEDS TO DIE.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CLAN WITH MORE CUQDAD AND PERPETUALLY INJURIOUS THAN MAJERTEN.

MOVE ON BRO. SERIOUSLY.

Your claims of cuqdad fall right on its face when;

1. MJ/HG have made and enjoyed relative peace in Galkacyo, one of the hottest flashpoints of conflict in Somalia, if we were cuqdad ridden this wouldn't have been made possible.

2. Zero animosity towards Isaaq - besides some political disagreements - even when their figure heads took part in the Mudug massacres, if anything our relationship has improved since the war with both sides starting businesses and investing in each others respective regions. No lander that has ever travelled to Puntland has felt unwelcome or harassed.

3. Zero animosity towards Raxoweeyne, even after joining the call for USC declaration of war against us, they have been welcomed as IDPs, have started businesses in Puntland and are taking part in the upcoming elections.

Again, you're giving me too much credit, the one pointing the gun barrel towards you waa OG. Besides, it's easy to say 'move on' when the kill/death ratio implicates your side, eh?

For the record, I typically don't get hung up about these kinds of things because it just ends up halting progress of development and reconciliation. When I bring it up, I'm offering a perspective of WHY things are, NOT justifying them.

'I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CLAN WITH MORE CUQDAD AND PERPETUALLY INJURIOUS THAN MAJERTEN.'

MY GUY, YOURE CRYING ABOUT EXAMS, EXAMS! Your gripe with MJ is merely political, besides, where was Farmaajo with the inauguration of Garacaad port? Or when his admin claimed our education system is subpar compared to the rest of Somalia? Or when he withheld our government funds? Farmaajo has completely sidelined Puntland, strange, it's like you only see the bad being committed against you, while ignoring what your side is perpetuating against others.

[mahoka]

Sinister, I try to look past this whole 'qabiliyad' stuff, I like it for what it is when we COMPETE with each other on merit and accomplishment, not who can kill who or which sub-clan controls which gobol/city. My reasoning is this, if Isaaq and Hawiye can get along for the most part, why can't Darood? If Darood can't get along, then let's call it a day and abolish this whole government, you can't have it both ways.

Soft spot? I admit I might have some bias, but that's because they are my actual family (cousins and in-laws), they detest Barre Hiraale and what he did to Harti in Kismayo, I also have OG cousins (moms sister husband) and they have also expressed their frustrations with Madobe and this ongoing charade, people are getting tired of small groups of families with business interests ruining it for everyone else, that goes for all clans.

Majority of Somalis are good people, the problem is that we're hopeless, we got ourselves to blame cause we refuse to put a stop to spoilers both foreign or domestic. Anyways, if you want a abtirsi check hit the dm sxb, I've got nothing to hide.

You are ignoring the elephant in the room. Darod is a tribe while isaaq is a clan, this means isaaq is related by blood while darod has similar culture but isn’t related by bloodline. This is why isaaq subclans fight and then make up lithe day after like brothers do but darod sub tribes have been killing each other and fighting for 30 year. Even last week we had some darod celebrate kenyan airforce air strikes in west gedo.


Darod as a tribe was made up around 120-130 years ago as a collection of small tribes came together to form the darod tribe. This was to fend off the big dominant clans of isaaq, hawiye, ciise etc