Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

[MrSinister]

One thing I realized is there is a group within marexaan that want things to be MX vs OG/Harti because they are interested in power. Majority of these people are from galgadud and have no historical stake or land in JL. They want to turn people who have lived together for generations against each other. I’ve played into this as well.

The marexaan reer guri should be consulted with in JL and given their equity but these conflict instigators from galgadud should be deported back to cabuudwaaq. Farmajo represents these instigators.

[Phinks]

Eh, it was bound to come down to this eventually.

You are not relevant, deserving, or symbolically notable in an objective, rational, and logical conversation even about measuring just the weight of Marehan's natural ownership of the equity with the largest shareholding powers over Jubbaland.

I RESENT YOUR VERY UNSOLICITED INPUT JUST AS YOU SHOULD RESENT MY UNSOLICITED INPUT ABOUT WHAT INFORMS THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR EQUITY IN PUNTLAND.

False equivalence is false, Harti has a HISTORIC LEGITIMATE CLAIM to Kismayo and Jubaland, while Sade/Absame were trading and going about their business at the periphery, Harti established Kismayo as a legitimate economic trading hub of regional importance, Ogaden/Marexaan never saw VALUE in Kismayo until after it got its bearing thanks to HARTI/MAJEERTEEN VISION, ACUMEN AND ACUITY.

Please do tell, was it Eyl, Gaalkacyo, Qardo, Bossaso, Garowe or any other city in PUNTLAND that Marexaan themselves found, built and ESTABLISHED? FALSE EQUIVALENCE IS FALSE.

Gubbet, tell me ONE city that MX have ESTABLISHED for themselves that has REGIONAL standing or equity in SOMALIWEYNE, and do NOT mention XAMAR OR KISMAYO, name ONE.

[Gubbet]

Yes, in Jubaland we are all equals, but ilkoyars should be accorded the special status of being more equal than others.

DUH.

Reference: 4.5; official political powersharing; Federal Republic of Somalia

Comparative Work:

1.Why is the Governor of Benadir ONLY from Mudulood?
2. 5 Puntland Presidents; 5 Majeerteen or 5 Mohamud Saleebaan?
3. Southwest State President or Rahanweyn Gareed?
And much much more?

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

One thing I realized is there is a group within marexaan that want things to be MX vs OG/Harti because they are interested in power. Majority of these people are from galgadud and have no historical stake or land in JL. They want to turn people who have lived together for generations against each other. I’ve played into this as well.

The marexaan reer guri should be consulted with in JL and given their equity but these conflict instigators from galgadud should be deported back to cabuudwaaq. Farmajo represents these instigators.

This fight is beyond Galti or Guuri, it’s at full Sade

[Phinks]

You cannot tell the very people that established the most important and developed city in Jubaland that they have no say or equity, that is pure evil, xaraam caleeyk.

[Gubbet]

Eh, it was bound to come down to this eventually.

You are not relevant, deserving, or symbolically notable in an objective, rational, and logical conversation even about measuring just the weight of Marehan's natural ownership of the equity with the largest shareholding powers over Jubbaland.

I RESENT YOUR VERY UNSOLICITED INPUT JUST AS YOU SHOULD RESENT MY UNSOLICITED INPUT ABOUT WHAT INFORMS THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR EQUITY IN PUNTLAND.

False equivalence is false, Harti has a HISTORIC LEGITIMATE CLAIM to Kismayo and Jubaland, while Sade/Absame were trading and going about their business at the periphery, Harti established Kismayo as a legitimate economic trading hub of regional importance, Ogaden/Marexaan never saw VALUE in Kismayo until after it got its bearing thanks to HARTI/MAJEERTEEN VISION, ACUMEN AND ACUITY.

Please do tell, was it Eyl, Gaalkacyo, Qardo, Bossaso, Garowe or any other city in PUNTLAND that Marexaan themselves found, built and ESTABLISHED? FALSE EQUIVALENCE IS FALSE.

Gubbet, tell me ONE city that MX have ESTABLISHED for themselves that has REGIONAL standing or equity in SOMALIWEYNE, and do NOT mention XAMAR OR KISMAYO, name ONE.

Excuse me, Kismaayo has been a cosmopolitan, important Somali port city. My maternal grandmother' brother (Marehan/Wagardhac) was the biggest Somali commercial shipper in Kismaayo having gotten started in 1963. The many owned 80% of the dhaws from Kismaayo to Malindi even throughout the civil war. He still is in business but down in Tanzania. Even Twisted-Logic knows him so anyone who is rer Kismaayood should without me saying anything else.

Secondly, Kismaayo's two richest and most famous regional families even before Siad Barre's government were reer Sugulle (reer Siyaad/Marehan) and reer Yarow (Cali Dheere/Marehan). The most famous MJ Uunlaaye was more a national figure having made his money nationally. You even have the most historical and famous of Kismaayo' real estate, like the Meridian Hotel which was the first hotel established in Kismaayo once again before Siad Barre's goverment, started by guys Cascaseey (reer Kooshin/Marehan).

If you lived in Kismaayo, I lived in MOGADISHU. My properties are still there. My housr bought in out name is there.

Do you see me asking Marehan to be Governor of Benadir knowing what 4.5 and Federalism says about clan equity??

I never understand the MJ/Puntland position on Jubbaland because of this reason.

YOU PUSHED FEDERALISM FOR THIS VERY REASON; GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY DISPENSATION.

Your position on Jubbaland is the the worst and most unfettered expression of hypocrisy and entitlement if you really critique jt


1. You are not a major force or even a sizable minor force militarily or numerically or politically within Jubbaland
2. You do not really have "deegaan" in any part of Jubbaland outside of tongue in cheek historical referencing to Cawrmale's grazing outside of Kismaayo.
3. And even that no longer applies considering under 4.5 Cawrmale's identity has been established and codified.

You are not Marehan.
You do live in all 3 regions.
You do live in 85% of the districts.
You are the singular majority of 4/5 of Jubbaland's biggest towns.

Etc rtc etc

It is delusional wallahi if we really engaged in clear and honest critique even the imposition of your entitlement with regards to a calibration of just the weight of Marehan's equity in Jubbaland under 4.5.

I want to be free and secure and happy to live, work, trade, amd settle in Mogadishu if I want.

I don't want anyone or thing impacting my individual equity as a Somali citizen with those rights.

But as long as we have 4.5 and Federalism as understood as our informed powersharing settlememt, then I will never impose the ENTITLED position that Marehan is equal to and due the same Mudulood is due in Benaadir Governance.

To do so, while granting my clan the privileges they received under 4.5, is to say I am not interested in end to conflict with Abgaal or in Benaadir.

Which is cleat than after that point what I am really interested in then.

[MrSinister]

Yes, in Jubaland we are all equals, but ilkoyars should be accorded the special status of being more equal than others.

DUH.

Reference: 4.5; official political powersharing; Federal Republic of Somalia

Comparative Work:

1.Why is the Governor of Benadir ONLY from Mudulood?
2. 5 Puntland Presidents; 5 Majeerteen or 5 Mohamud Saleebaan?
3. Southwest State President or Rahanweyn Gareed?
And much much more?

YOU ARE NOT MAJORITY IN JL nor even a PLURALITY of the population. You live in mostly gedo which you share with OG and D&M. Writing in bold will not change the reality on the ground. Stop comparing yourself to people above your station.

[Gubbet]

Why does even the mention of basic facts inspire vicious resentment in these people?

Wallahi when people say to each other "yaan lagu cunin," I literally feel to my bones what this means looking at one shared response from individuals united by common background.

It informs me even the conscious realization they would trade everything they have right now for whatever underpins their resentment towards us.

How do you satisfy someone who wants to be YOU in YOUR position?

Just thr basic mention of facts that Marehan lives and is a strong component of Kismaayo WHILE being thr single and overwhelming majority of every succeeding major town like Baardheere, Beled-Xaawo, etc sends these people into spasm or seizure.

Creepy wallahi. Acuudi bilaah.

[MrSinister]

Why does even the mention of basic facts inspire vicious resentment in these people?

Wallahi when people say to each other "yaan lagu cunin," I literally feel to my bones what this means looking at one shared response from individuals united by common background.

It informs me even the conscious realization they would trade everything they have right now for whatever underpins their resentment towards us.

How do you satisfy someone who wants to be YOU in YOUR position?

Just thr basic mention of facts that Marehan lives and is a strong component of Kismaayo WHILE being thr single and overwhelming majority of every succeeding major town like Baardheere, Beled-Xaawo, etc sends these people into spasm or seizure.

Creepy wallahi. Acuudi bilaah.

This nigga constantly writes in big bold letters and he then accuses others of going into a spasm. You are acting like your people control Jl when you come under Madobe. You even compared yourselves to Palestinians in the past. That tells you what little power you have. The reality is you are more like Gypsies, homeless people with no skills and tendency to leach of others.

[MrSinister]

You cannot tell the very people that established the most important and developed city in Jubaland that they have no say or equity, that is pure evil, xaraam caleeyk.

It’s passive aggressiveness. There is an element within them from Galagadud that is envious of what PL was able to accomplish and that we built Kismayo.

[Sbashi]

Eh, it was bound to come down to this eventually.

You are not relevant, deserving, or symbolically notable in an objective, rational, and logical conversation even about measuring just the weight of Marehan's natural ownership of the equity with the largest shareholding powers over Jubbaland.

I RESENT YOUR VERY UNSOLICITED INPUT JUST AS YOU SHOULD RESENT MY UNSOLICITED INPUT ABOUT WHAT INFORMS THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR EQUITY IN PUNTLAND.

False equivalence is false, Harti has a HISTORIC LEGITIMATE CLAIM to Kismayo and Jubaland, while Sade/Absame were trading and going about their business at the periphery, Harti established Kismayo as a legitimate economic trading hub of regional importance, Ogaden/Marexaan never saw VALUE in Kismayo until after it got its bearing thanks to HARTI/MAJEERTEEN VISION, ACUMEN AND ACUITY.

Please do tell, was it Eyl, Gaalkacyo, Qardo, Bossaso, Garowe or any other city in PUNTLAND that Marexaan themselves found, built and ESTABLISHED? FALSE EQUIVALENCE IS FALSE.

Gubbet, tell me ONE city that MX have ESTABLISHED for themselves that has REGIONAL standing or equity in SOMALIWEYNE, and do NOT mention XAMAR OR KISMAYO, name ONE.

Excuse me, Kismaayo has been a cosmopolitan, important Somali port city. My maternal grandmother' brother (Marehan/Wagardhac) was the biggest Somali commercial shipper in Kismaayo having gotten started in 1963. The many owned 80% of the dhaws from Kismaayo to Malindi even throughout the civil war. He still is in business but down in Tanzania. Even Twisted-Logic knows him so anyone who is rer Kismaayood should without me saying anything else.

Secondly, Kismaayo's two richest and most famous regional families even before Siad Barre's government were reer Sugulle (reer Siyaad/Marehan) and reer Yarow (Cali Dheere/Marehan). The most famous MJ Uunlaaye was more a national figure having made his money nationally. You even have the most historical and famous of Kismaayo' real estate, like the Meridian Hotel which was the first hotel established in Kismaayo once again before Siad Barre's goverment, started by guys Cascaseey (reer Kooshin/Marehan).

If you lived in Kismaayo, I lived in MOGADISHU. My properties are still there. My housr bought in out name is there.

Do you see me asking Marehan to be Governor of Benadir knowing what 4.5 and Federalism says about clan equity??

I never understand the MJ/Puntland position on Jubbaland because of this reason.

YOU PUSHED FEDERALISM FOR THIS VERY REASON; GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY DISPENSATION.

Your position on Jubbaland is the the worst and most unfettered expression of hypocrisy and entitlement if you really critique jt


1. You are not a major force or even a sizable minor force militarily or numerically or politically within Jubbaland
2. You do not really have "deegaan" in any part of Jubbaland outside of tongue in cheek historical referencing to Cawrmale's grazing outside of Kismaayo.
3. And even that no longer applies considering under 4.5 Cawrmale's identity has been established and codified.

You are not Marehan.
You do live in all 3 regions.
You do live in 85% of the districts.
You are the singular majority of 4/5 of Jubbaland's biggest towns.

Etc rtc etc

It is delusional wallahi if we really engaged in clear and honest critique even the imposition of your entitlement with regards to a calibration of just the weight of Marehan's equity in Jubbaland under 4.5.

I want to be free and secure and happy to live, work, trade, amd settle in Mogadishu if I want.

I don't want anyone or thing impacting my individual equity as a Somali citizen with those rights.

But as long as we have 4.5 and Federalism as understood as our informed powersharing settlememt, then I will never impose the ENTITLED position that Marehan is equal to and due the same Mudulood is due in Benaadir Governance.

To do so, while granting my clan the privileges they received under 4.5, is to say I am not interested in end to conflict with Abgaal or in Benaadir.

Which is cleat than after that point what I am really interested in then.

Most important thing is not having deegaan. They think being traders in Kismayo means they are natives . Even their little trade in kismayo historically depended on the deegaan clans livestock. These people have not conquered a single inch of land our fought for it, they just came to another man's land to trade.

[Phinks]

Eh, it was bound to come down to this eventually.

You are not relevant, deserving, or symbolically notable in an objective, rational, and logical conversation even about measuring just the weight of Marehan's natural ownership of the equity with the largest shareholding powers over Jubbaland.

I RESENT YOUR VERY UNSOLICITED INPUT JUST AS YOU SHOULD RESENT MY UNSOLICITED INPUT ABOUT WHAT INFORMS THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR EQUITY IN PUNTLAND.

False equivalence is false, Harti has a HISTORIC LEGITIMATE CLAIM to Kismayo and Jubaland, while Sade/Absame were trading and going about their business at the periphery, Harti established Kismayo as a legitimate economic trading hub of regional importance, Ogaden/Marexaan never saw VALUE in Kismayo until after it got its bearing thanks to HARTI/MAJEERTEEN VISION, ACUMEN AND ACUITY.

Please do tell, was it Eyl, Gaalkacyo, Qardo, Bossaso, Garowe or any other city in PUNTLAND that Marexaan themselves found, built and ESTABLISHED? FALSE EQUIVALENCE IS FALSE.

Gubbet, tell me ONE city that MX have ESTABLISHED for themselves that has REGIONAL standing or equity in SOMALIWEYNE, and do NOT mention XAMAR OR KISMAYO, name ONE.

1. You are not a major force or even a sizable minor force militarily or numerically or politically within Jubbaland
2. You do not really have "deegaan" in any part of Jubbaland outside of tongue in cheek historical referencing to Cawrmale's grazing outside of Kismaayo.
3. And even that no longer applies considering under 4.5 Cawrmale's identity has been established and codified.

You are not Marehan.
You do live in all 3 regions.
You do live in 85% of the districts.
You are the singular majority of 4/5 of Jubbaland's biggest towns.

You're talking about the 60's? sxb I was doing my thing there since the 1800's.

When you were warring with Absame, you came to me, just as Absame came to me to do battle with Sade. If we are militarily, numerically or politically irrelevant, then Morgan wouldn't be in our lexicon when discussing Jubaland history of military conflicts and disputes. Inna Lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un, when has Cawrmale ever had a say or impact on Juba happenings?

Sinister, I'm shocked wallahi. How can they deny Kismayo is what it is today thanks to Harti? Imagine we evict all non-MJ from Wardheer because equity? Madness.

[Gubbet]

Sbashi, it is literally the elephant in the room thst throws them into seizures upon just asking.

Sinister,

Where are you on Jubbaland deegaan map? It's huge region. The size of Ohio in the US.

Show me please. Say "there."



Exactly. No where.

You don't hate Marehan. You hate what Marehan has.

You can go through life bitter about this and die bitter or you and your cohorts can end up making lemonades out of lemons by deconstructing your resentment and proactivelly engaging positively to lead to a future where looking at that maps informa nothing about things like 4.5 and clan equity.

Personally, I am the least bothered MX in this place when it comes to Puntland antics because I have deconstructed both the power of your resentment and how it should impact me.

You can be my next door neighbor and I will help you settle right in evenly in the heart of my reer's village, but as long as 4.5 and Federalism as understood are the basis of powersharing, the entitlement that forms the basic authority in the land will reflect the weight of equity.

[Phinks]

How much of that land was illegally seized from Cawliyaan under Barre's land grab scheme? If Puntland naturally resent MX, why did we offer you to take part in its formation, you were the ones that walked away. We forgave you for the massacres your clan engineered in Mudug with the help of Ogaden and Dhulbahante, I'm sure you recall the infamous MOD alliance, not to mention Barre Hiraale reign of tyranny in Kismayo, and you're surpised why some Puntlanders might hold some resentment towards MX today? This idea that MX are poor helpless victims needs to die.

[MrSinister]

Anybody can make up fake maps. The history of Kismayo and who built that city is not up for debate.

You do not even make up a plurality of the population in Gedo. Here's a diagram of major clans in Gedo. Only 1 of those districts is Marehan mentioned on their own.

Sure Gedo is fertile land. But, what good is land without human capital? Do you know the Congolese have some of the best resources in the world? Do you think an Israel living in an arid desert wants to be a Congolese?