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Consider Dhaqan a series of judgements, the next judgement is based on the previous and cannot waver too much from it as it threatens the social contract that make these choices legitimate in the first place, and consider the Hogaamiye Dhaqan in our case the Ugaas the constant that acts as the closing thread to the social fabric it can essentially only be dhalasho.I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha. That leads to ruin and mediocrity. As for that’s too much communism, I slightly disagree. Xeer should be democratic and based on power realities not just dhalasho. This is the Boqor Maxamed Daud curse the new generation has to solve internally. For Dhulbahante, I don’t speak on their division, that’s internal Shirshoore affairs, all we can do is offer taalo as brothers. MXs aren’t known to meddle in kinship affairs that’s why the silent majority of Darood support us. Lastly, I don’t disagree with you on not eradicating dhaqan. But dhaqan shouldn’t be so stiff and inflexible to the point it can lead to communal division. No, like all order - it is based on Xeer, the greatest non Somali and non Muslim Xeer is the US constitution - which was made flexible enough to reflect the times while respecting traditional interests in the country. Fun fact? It was based on Native American Xeer - the Iroquois Nation. Natural law is universal but to stay universal it must make room for adaptability or it’ll become static and unloved. That is my view.Do you think 1p1v will make the dhaqan obsolete ? look at SL and Dhulbahante, Jamac Siyaad is basically Rer Dalal gone rogue, instead of using their power to empower Bahrarsame and make Dhulbahante fall inline under one Garad, they did what Rer Siyaad and Rer Nuur tried to do, and they just crowned their own Ugaas since they are Shireshore themselves.
He’s a oday. I look at dhaqan in general as a tool for politicians and foreign entities. That’s why I want 1p1v but we need some type of order as well. I’m conflicted bro. I want to add modernity but tradition is still strong with us. I’m actually pragmatic but we definitely reform in dhaqan, business, Xeer a lot of things sxb.
The Dhaqan will always be relevant, and neither should we want to make it irrelevant, we want to clean house and 1p1v definitely will help with that, but it is also done regardless of outside legislation, it has and can be done internally using our age old xeer, and Sade House must always maintain order and kaladambeyn for success, the alternative is a bleak future, thankfully the new generation understand this.
And bro you not wrong 1p1v is definitely going to empower us but the dhaqan will always be relevant, so I agree with you but not to the extend where we thrown dhaqanka away, that is communism , been there done that
The thing with Moalimu - this film was shot before and it didn’t end well for both of us. Moalimu is a Laandheere in the gobol. This is a reality you have to accept. If not MXs didn’t learn from the past and what we tell each other is a lie sxb. That is my view.ReturnOfMariixman every clan needs a leadership based core and that is what NGM is referring too. MX thrive under strong leaders like Amiir Nuur and Siad Barre because we respect power and authority. Every succesful clan has a leadership class, wadaad class and military brass.
Look at Mucalimu today he is stuck in Xamar because he disobeyed orders and now has to pay the price. If he respected the leadership class he would not be in such a predicament
NGM,Consider Dhaqan a series of judgements, the next judgement is based on the previous and cannot waver too much from it as it threatens the social contract that make these choices legitimate in the first place, and consider the Hogaamiye Dhaqan in our case the Ugaas the constant that acts as the closing thread to the social fabric it can essentially only be dhalasho.I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha. That leads to ruin and mediocrity. As for that’s too much communism, I slightly disagree. Xeer should be democratic and based on power realities not just dhalasho. This is the Boqor Maxamed Daud curse the new generation has to solve internally. For Dhulbahante, I don’t speak on their division, that’s internal Shirshoore affairs, all we can do is offer taalo as brothers. MXs aren’t known to meddle in kinship affairs that’s why the silent majority of Darood support us. Lastly, I don’t disagree with you on not eradicating dhaqan. But dhaqan shouldn’t be so stiff and inflexible to the point it can lead to communal division. No, like all order - it is based on Xeer, the greatest non Somali and non Muslim Xeer is the US constitution - which was made flexible enough to reflect the times while respecting traditional interests in the country. Fun fact? It was based on Native American Xeer - the Iroquois Nation. Natural law is universal but to stay universal it must make room for adaptability or it’ll become static and unloved. That is my view.
Do you think 1p1v will make the dhaqan obsolete ? look at SL and Dhulbahante, Jamac Siyaad is basically Rer Dalal gone rogue, instead of using their power to empower Bahrarsame and make Dhulbahante fall inline under one Garad, they did what Rer Siyaad and Rer Nuur tried to do, and they just crowned their own Ugaas since they are Shireshore themselves.
The Dhaqan will always be relevant, and neither should we want to make it irrelevant, we want to clean house and 1p1v definitely will help with that, but it is also done regardless of outside legislation, it has and can be done internally using our age old xeer, and Sade House must always maintain order and kaladambeyn for success, the alternative is a bleak future, thankfully the new generation understand this.
And bro you not wrong 1p1v is definitely going to empower us but the dhaqan will always be relevant, so I agree with you but not to the extend where we thrown dhaqanka away, that is communism , been there done that
the restructure will however be reflected on the political arena, look Afar waaxood has been completely eradicated politically, but dhaqan wise its still there, amending that xeer is going to be done tactfully not brazenly, if I say to Howrarsame and Habar Ciise fok off I am not going to give you hiil or pay mag in time of war, they will do what Rer Cismaan, but yeah as far as politics its easy to correct errors like this, and this is what I wish for Gedo and Jubboyinka, with Rer Hassan taking lead and ilmo Amaanreer following. Tampering with the Dhaqan is a fools game.
Mucalimu bit the hand that fed him and insulted FGS and Kulane Jiis the ultra commander of NISA. Instead of thanking the government hes attacking them playing victim, seems like MX are waking up to that guy.
Poor guy I heard Farmaajo cut his security and hotel cheque the silent killer this Pres is
Good point... the times have changed the mechanism have changed. centralized ugas leadership did not work in the past what makes you think it works in 2021? The mechanisms have evolved past this ancient and outdated system so much it’s 2021 we now have better and more efficient governing systems.I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha.Do you think 1p1v will make the dhaqan obsolete ? look at SL and Dhulbahante, Jamac Siyaad is basically Rer Dalal gone rogue, instead of using their power to empower Bahrarsame and make Dhulbahante fall inline under one Garad, they did what Rer Siyaad and Rer Nuur tried to do, and they just crowned their own Ugaas since they are Shireshore themselves.
He’s a oday. I look at dhaqan in general as a tool for politicians and foreign entities. That’s why I want 1p1v but we need some type of order as well. I’m conflicted bro. I want to add modernity but tradition is still strong with us. I’m actually pragmatic but we definitely reform in dhaqan, business, Xeer a lot of things sxb.
The Dhaqan will always be relevant, and neither should we want to make it irrelevant, we want to clean house and 1p1v definitely will help with that, but it is also done regardless of outside legislation, it has and can be done internally using our age old xeer, and Sade House must always maintain order and kaladambeyn for success, the alternative is a bleak future, thankfully the new generation understand this.
And bro you not wrong 1p1v is definitely going to empower us but the dhaqan will always be relevant, so I agree with you but not to the extend where we thrown dhaqanka away, that is communism , been there done that
You understood my point very well. Our ancient Xeer should reflect the times and be amenable in that light. No MX clan wants to return to leadership that doesn’t benefit us or our regions. MXs went back to badiyo during the qax. It’s time to build and build on solid and realistic groundsGood point... the times have changed the mechanism have changed. centralized ugas leadership did not work in the past what makes you think it works in 2021? The mechanisms have evolved past this ancient and outdated system so much it’s 2021 we now have better and more efficient governing systems.I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha.
Do you think 1p1v will make the dhaqan obsolete ? look at SL and Dhulbahante, Jamac Siyaad is basically Rer Dalal gone rogue, instead of using their power to empower Bahrarsame and make Dhulbahante fall inline under one Garad, they did what Rer Siyaad and Rer Nuur tried to do, and they just crowned their own Ugaas since they are Shireshore themselves.
The Dhaqan will always be relevant, and neither should we want to make it irrelevant, we want to clean house and 1p1v definitely will help with that, but it is also done regardless of outside legislation, it has and can be done internally using our age old xeer, and Sade House must always maintain order and kaladambeyn for success, the alternative is a bleak future, thankfully the new generation understand this.
And bro you not wrong 1p1v is definitely going to empower us but the dhaqan will always be relevant, so I agree with you but not to the extend where we thrown dhaqanka away, that is communism , been there done that
you are a shame and embarassment amongst beesha darood.ReturnOfMariixman every clan needs a leadership based core and that is what NGM is referring too. MX thrive under strong leaders like Amiir Nuur and Siad Barre because we respect power and authority. Every succesful clan has a leadership class, wadaad class and military brass.
Look at Mucalimu today he is stuck in Xamar because he disobeyed orders and now has to pay the price. If he respected the leadership class he would not be in such a predicament
I literally grit my teeth when you say this. Nothing in this topic is about "Ilmo Ugaas Diini."
Interesting take. I will wait for the other side to rebuttal. This is a matter between Ilmo Ugaas Diini,
Grandpa, your tone is incredibly offensive and I have seen you display this lack of wisdom a number of times in all circumstances, so I am going to take this opportunity to call you in the hopes you will take a good look at it and reconsider the lack of awareness you display.Yall need to clean house Reer Diini stance in clear, Maxamed Sayid Adan and Yarow the idiot Fartaag will not be returning this year for Senator that is for sure but those two are the worst examples of Marehan tomfoolery.Yeah he’s in Kismaayo but we’ll deal with him.Isnt Rer Hassan Ugaas in bed with Madoobe? Ugaas Yarow?
Ugaas line existed for many generations before it over took the MX leadership from Rer Garaad, they have track record of unlocking new lands for MX, defeating enemies, and keeping order within Beesha, Rer Hassan has a special place in my consideration because they singlehandedly did that, so of course Hassan Galshireedle can become MX leaders tomorrow, 50 years from now or 500 years from now, to me it makes no difference, there are already alot of powerful lines running parallel to the Ugaas line, it is just a matter of time saxib, if it was not for Rer Dalal the Ugaas line would be completely rejected by rest of MX I know this for a fact, we are that strong, and the Ugaas line continues to serve MX through us, and this is what makes it legitimate, an Ugaas who does not serve his people is like a lose closing thread and his order will unravel easily, this is why Ugaas Mohamed in Caabudwaaq will relocate to Garbaharey and start working there to strenghten MX unity and success.NGM,Consider Dhaqan a series of judgements, the next judgement is based on the previous and cannot waver too much from it as it threatens the social contract that make these choices legitimate in the first place, and consider the Hogaamiye Dhaqan in our case the Ugaas the constant that acts as the closing thread to the social fabric it can essentially only be dhalasho.
I’m not against order and kaladambeyn. What I against is too much centralization in power within Beesha. That leads to ruin and mediocrity. As for that’s too much communism, I slightly disagree. Xeer should be democratic and based on power realities not just dhalasho. This is the Boqor Maxamed Daud curse the new generation has to solve internally. For Dhulbahante, I don’t speak on their division, that’s internal Shirshoore affairs, all we can do is offer taalo as brothers. MXs aren’t known to meddle in kinship affairs that’s why the silent majority of Darood support us. Lastly, I don’t disagree with you on not eradicating dhaqan. But dhaqan shouldn’t be so stiff and inflexible to the point it can lead to communal division. No, like all order - it is based on Xeer, the greatest non Somali and non Muslim Xeer is the US constitution - which was made flexible enough to reflect the times while respecting traditional interests in the country. Fun fact? It was based on Native American Xeer - the Iroquois Nation. Natural law is universal but to stay universal it must make room for adaptability or it’ll become static and unloved. That is my view.
the restructure will however be reflected on the political arena, look Afar waaxood has been completely eradicated politically, but dhaqan wise its still there, amending that xeer is going to be done tactfully not brazenly, if I say to Howrarsame and Habar Ciise fok off I am not going to give you hiil or pay mag in time of war, they will do what Rer Cismaan, but yeah as far as politics its easy to correct errors like this, and this is what I wish for Gedo and Jubboyinka, with Rer Hassan taking lead and ilmo Amaanreer following. Tampering with the Dhaqan is a fools game.
I compared your answer to Grandpa’s answer. And it showed me why you and me are in sync on most things. But there’s one area I’m very against. I highly disagree with your attitude against Hawrarsame and Habar Ciise! Habar Ciise I think you meant Habar Yacquub! Secondly, Xeer should always be PROGRESSIVE not REGRESSIVE! Should all the descendants of Hawrarsame and MX clans pay forever for the crimes of a bygone era centuries ago? Their nobility isn’t in doubt. But the law made them exiled. If true MX unity is be to achieved and real mutually respected order is to stand. We must be honest with each other. Our superior attitude should be outwards not inwards - it the highest sign of reer baadiyonimo that MXs aren’t lenient with each other but their enemies. And this is a failure of the leadership class. On your political thing for Gedo we’re in agreement. Lastly, grandpa when i said you react before you think your post is the perfect example why. This will be resolved with Moalimu. That’s why I’m not really worried sxb.
Hiiraale was halyeey MX but I fell out with him due to his lack of risk analysis and carelessness, this seems to be a trait among Rer Koshin, this is the exact same uninformed BS Siyaad Barre did when he fokin armed Makahiil out of all clans, just because they are his Rer Abti, the same niggas we have been fighting NO BLOOD MONEY for generations. The once killed a young 10 year old Rer Dalal boy north of Wardheer where they are majority, cut off the kids head and stole his camels, we had no xeer with these midgo and we went to war raided them to nearby Dhegaxbuur, this happened not that long ago in the 40s, 100s of Rer Dalal from a juffo hooseed rode out only 27 returned, but they had killed so many Makahiil left a trail of bodies and this is probably why they have cuqdad to this day. Ever since 1930s we had nothing to do with Makahiil, prior to the 30s yes we stole camels from each other for sport, but the walwal war they took side of Habeshi this is what made them midgo, to this day they say MX are not Ethiopians lol, damn right we not ethiopians but we live in Ethiopia as free Somalis, while they live as slaves.ReturnOfMariixman every clan needs a leadership based core and that is what NGM is referring too. MX thrive under strong leaders like Amiir Nuur and Siad Barre because we respect power and authority. Every succesful clan has a leadership class, wadaad class and military brass.
Look at Mucalimu today he is stuck in Xamar because he disobeyed orders and now has to pay the price. If he respected the leadership class he would not be in such a predicament
When Barre Hiiraale took a soft stance towards MX dissidents he was disrespected. Beesha respects and does well strong leaders or strong Colonels/Generals who show force. All this nacnac about doorasho and will of the people is BS. There should be an Ugaas dictator with a monopoly over violence.
Monarchy is undisputably more stable than electing officials. Monarchy + monopoly over violence >> republicanism libertarianism etc.
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