In the next couple years, Marehan-Ogaden relationship will improve so sharply, it will astound Somalis.

[Gubbet]

Gubbet are you Reer Dalal?

I have highlighted what I am in this diagram.

[Rebelxx22]

So Reer siyaad and Ugaas sharmarke are they brothers?!

[Gubbet]

So Reer siyaad and Ugaas sharmarke are they brothers?!

All of rer Diini are brothers as they are from the same father?

But, if you mean full brothers from the same mom and dad, yes Ugaas Shermaarke, Siyaad, and Warsame were full brothers.

[Rebelxx22]

So Reer siyaad and Ugaas sharmarke are they brothers?!

All of rer Diini are brothers as they are from the same father?

But, if you mean full brothers from the same mom and dad, yes Ugaas Shermaarke, Siyaad, and Warsame were full brothers.

Who is the father of Reer diini then

[Gubbet]

So Reer siyaad and Ugaas sharmarke are they brothers?!

All of rer Diini are brothers as they are from the same father?

But, if you mean full brothers from the same mom and dad, yes Ugaas Shermaarke, Siyaad, and Warsame were full brothers.

Who is the father of Reer diini then

It says in the family tree posted.

[Rebelxx22]

Gubbet Marehan - Ogaden relationship died with afweyne and Farmaajo placed the final nails into the casket. Maybe you are speaking about our political interests but that won’t align as long as Farmaajo is in the picture. Otherwise you are day dreaming to think Ogadens haven’t forgotten about the genocide and land grabbing Marehans committed in Buurdhuubo,Baardheere,Fafaxdhuun,and southern Gedo. We are far too generous to not have taken full revenge for the crimes committed in the past.

[Gubbet]

Gubbet Marehan - Ogaden relationship died with afweyne and Farmaajo placed the final nails into the casket. Maybe you are speaking about our political interests but that won’t align as long as Farmaajo is in the picture. Otherwise you are day dreaming to think Ogadens haven’t forgotten about the genocide and land grabbing Marehans committed in Buurdhuubo,Baardheere,Fafaxdhuun,and southern Gedo. We are far too generous to not have taken full revenge for the crimes committed in the past.

Thank you for a wonderful opportunity to correct the record.

This is all false. It is the mythology used to assauge grievance making.

For example: Faafaxdhuun.

1. You guys talk incessantly about it claiming it as where "Siad Barre" removed the last Ogaden grazing in Gedo.
   • In reality Marehan seized Faafaxdhuun through active state of hostilities over a 100 years ago
2. In 1917, TS Thomas, the Senior Assistant to Nairobi based EAP Governor Belfield wrote from on the ground in Serinley (a suburb of Baardheere), the exact year, month, and date Marehan seized Faafaxdhuun, part of then Serinlay District, after deciding to finally end Abdirahman Mursal's belligerance.
   • It was not even the British, but Marehan who made him flee back to Ethiopia once and for all after the 1916 seizure of Faafaxdhuun, the destruction of his maxim gun, and even inflicting a serious wound on him
3. The oddly ahistorical fixation with Faafaxdhuun as a Siad Barre inflicted grievance by Ogaden is simple, not complex to explain as an ethos for myth creation
   
   • Faafaxdhuun was just another watering hole like all others in the land. The reason Ogaden make a huge issue out of Faafaxdhuun is because of the psychological impact and inference to be drawn internally about group identity since it is where the decisive Marehan defeat of Abdirahman Mursal was forever concluded
     
     • There was no more Abdirahman Mursal in the entire land, issue, or context of the whole of the new land after the Marehan victory and seizure of Faafahdhuun.
4. He literally fled back to Ethiopia, whence he originally migrated from, and he died in his ancestral lands in Afdheer.
   • It would have been extraordinarily unusual for Ogaden oral history, like all nomadic Somali oral history, to recognize and contribute to the codification and passing down of such, objectively-speaking, an "ignomonious defeat" conclusively settled at their greatest expense; namely the informing factor of Somali clan identity in-group and their oral historical continuity of valor, strength, and perpetual victory, etc etc etc
     
     Apparently the only things in subjective Somali historiagraphy going by what our clans tell us.
5. They could not and did not ever recognize Faafaxdhuun was lost in 1916, because to do so would be to recognize WHY it was lost.
   
   • No Somali clan would voluntarily recognize why a Faafaxdhuun was lost in 1916.
6. So of course, then, 'Siad Barre stole it for Marehan."
   • Remarkably unfortunate for Ogaden in this situation, the British Government was now ruling this part of the Somali territory and Mr TS Thomas, the Senior Assistant to Nairobi based EAP Governor Belfield, was now officially tasked with on the record field scribing.

[Rebelxx22]

Hahaha you are known for changing Aulihan Ogaden texts into Bon Marehan. Last time you was claiming claiming Abdirahman Mursal was Mx you shameless rat.

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

Cooperation is always better than war.
MX position in J/L has never been in doubt and anyone who thinks otherwise is being foolish.

The only issue is that a sizeable minority of MX believed they could recreate the JVA in 2021.

If MX come to terms with Ogaden, perhaps with a Hiirshabelle style Gentleman's Agreement, the region could be cleared of AS filth and foreign forces.

I still believe of all the regions of Somalia J/L has the most potential.

The "Gentleman's Agreement" is by far one of the deadliest agreements ever made in Somalia's history. It is a disease, a virus and it will not create long lasting peace and cooperation, but rather it has created a further hatred between the Hawadle and the Abgaal. It's a matter of when, not if, when an all-out civil war between these two clans break out.

[Gubbet]

Hahaha you are known for changing Aulihan Ogaden texts into Bon Marehan. Last time you was claiming claiming Abdirahman Mursal was Mx you shameless rat.

Please desist from engaging in personal infectives; it is tasteless.

[Tallman77]

Hahaha you are known for changing Aulihan Ogaden texts into Bon Marehan. Last time you was claiming claiming Abdirahman Mursal was Mx you shameless rat.

Please desist from engaging in personal infectives; it is tasteless.

You preach water and drink wine.
Arent you the pathetic guy that even engages in cursing people.

Idhinka oo dhan ba cuqdad leh, I do beleive from your actions that Ogaden and MX can only share bullets.

[NGM]

Its a no brainer that no 2 clans can be at war for ever, we are going now on 2 decades, 1 decade MX on top and last decade Ogaden on top, but I rather reach an amicable conclusion with the qowsaar, zero sum benefits no one, I know they will just go into the bush and drink their own piss waiting for an opportunity again.

[Phinks]

Its a no brainer that no 2 clans can be at war for ever, we are going now on 2 decades, 1 decade MX on top and last decade Ogaden on top, but I rather reach an amicable conclusion with the qowsaar, zero sum benefits no one, I know they will just go into the bush and drink their own piss waiting for an opportunity again.

This is why I have been advocating to stop this nonsense and come heeshees at the table. I know for a fact once KDF and Western intelligence assets leave Jubaland it will ignite the region on fire. Both sides will be subject to heavy casualties, waves of IDPs and daily revenge attacks will become the norm.

I try to be pragmatic and understand things from a wider perspective, and it has led me to doubt Kabalax power, it's flimsy and the history of this pact has yet to convince me that it is enough to hold Kismayo by force, to the point I've been called a sheegat by some people here. If Hawiye and other clans join MX, it's a wrap for us. We understand this, which is why everyone is on your case, they know you pose a real threat to Kabalax interests.

[Rebelxx22]

Phinks why would you think our interest only lies in Kismayo. I know that’s the only Area Ilkayars dream of getting their hands on, but in fact our vision is to rule from Dolo Ado to Raas Ogaden entirely. We welcome peace with our feisty neighbors but we are not shy to war nor brand new to Bloodshed. I like Gubbets initiative of Man to Man. Sometimes in life you just have to take a loss gracefully even though Gubbet has a sharp tongue and nasty words. he atleast acknowledges this decade old conflict can no longer continue I respect him on that part!

[Tallman77]

Phinks why would you think our interest only lies in Kismayo. I know that’s the only Area Ilkayars dream of getting their hands on, but in fact our vision is to rule from Dolo Ado to Raas Ogaden entirely. We welcome peace with our feisty neighbors but we are not shy to war nor brand new to Bloodshed. I like Gubbets initiative of Man to Man. Sometimes in life you just have to take a loss gracefully even though Gubbet has a sharp tongue and nasty words. he atleast acknowledges this decade old conflict can no longer continue I respect him on that part!

Bro there is no peace btw OG iyo Mx.
Mx cannot just start conflictw when they have all resources with them and seek peace when they lose all resources.

They have shown their enemity upfront.
Even voltage wa guun.
Wax kastey wey isticamaleen habar, sixir, AS, hawiye, somalinimo, dawladnimo, iitobiya.

You cant make peace with dixiri you have to deworm yourself for good.