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Fiqi: Qorqor fired me to bring "Gedo troops" under SNA to capture Guriceel, refused to bring SNA to fight in Camaara

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Re: Fiqi: Qorqor fired me to bring "Gedo troops" under SNA to capture Guriceel, refused to bring SNA to fight in Camaara

Postby SultanOrder » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:12 am

Again, Voltage isn't here to further explain his promonition, but it is looking to be 100% accurate as usual.

Remember this topic from Voltage?

He essentially said there is a battle for supremacy within HG with Saleebaan and Sacad and Camaara was a civil war.

There is a Jeegaan alliance forming in Galmudug with Caabudwaaq as one partner and whoever comes out on top within HG as the other partner. Qoorqoor is intent on being that partner it seems.

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You are right to be suspicious. I would not be surprised if this was a political battle for resources within HG. It could even be more like a quiet battle for semi-permanent supremacy within HG is the aim to achieve a clear, definite, stable hierarchy.

Cayr was broken by Farmajo disarming Ahlu Sunnah. Also Cayr is the most vulnerable member of HG. Cayr is surrounded by Marehan on the NW/SW axis, Wacaysle/Murusade/Al Shabab in Elbur, and permanent conflict with Hawadle in the south (Matabaan). These guys are out for the battle of #1 in HG. They are not in the competition at all and have not been since Abdullahi Yusuf and even they know it.

Galmudug was started by Sacad. Saleebaan in competition started Himan/Heeb. To unite, Galmudug had to move to Adado. But when Galmudug finally moved to Dusamareb, Saleebaan were compensated with Presidency. It was the 1st time Galmudug had a non-Sacad President. No one appreciates it, but that was the single biggest disruption in HG since Aideed vs Caato and even that was within Sacad. There has never existed in memorable or even oral Somali history, where the highest political leader of something equally representing all 3 major HG clans was not a Sacad. Saleebaan has led something in Saleebaan's name,but never in the name of "HG" has there been any other leader but Sacad. The disruption was even more significant that it was Saleebaan and not even Cayr, whom Sacad feared more as a replacement. This was equally informing to Sacad and Saleebaan or basically the more resentful or disempowering Sacad felt, equally Saleebaan was inversely more confident and empowered. That plus the investment In Adado as temporary capital of Galmudug in the long standoff with Ahlu Sunnah was mutually reinforcing for the new ambitious Saleebaan.

I think that event was trigger A.

The last few years there was open conflict between Sacad and Wagarda/Marehan. The western border of Mudug went from a quiet, forced salemate since the 90's to fire and brimstone and the worst conflict north of Hiiraan in decades. Sacad basically lost the forced stalemate that was in their favor inherited through Aidid and USC actions in the 90's. Not only did they no longer have the access to grazing in parts of the rich grazing west of the North/South highway, but just as significantly there was no longer peace on their most vulnerable front. By virtue of conflict, you have to move back from the fault line. Sacad that used to look West for grazing/seasonal migration had to go back to looking East towards the coast as the standard for the first time since 90"s. Well, all those two decades they were seasonally migrating West, Saleebaan had moved in to take the routes they no longer used. This coincided with almost overnight post-civil war Somali development of "settlement/settling." So it is no longer just pressure on grazing routes that is caused by Sacad's new reality, but really it is now about deegaan and that comes into the political competition between Sacad and Saleebaan. All the way to the town of Hobyo, this is a faultline.

I think this situation is trigger B.

The port of Hobyo is being built after years and years of talking about it. Well moving from talk to building also came with a change from a community-informed way of looking at it one about competition with the entrance of money and greed.Who stands to benefit? Who is going to control logistics? Who is going to be supplying services in demand? Who will even be gaining from controlling routing stations and access points? Camaara is the biggest settlement between Hobyo and all the rest of the major towns and economic heart of Galmudug. Camaara is also ground zero in the intersection of the clan grazing and settlement right at the faultline outside Hobyo.

I think this development is Trigger 3



Let us look at the area in question;


  1. This is the route between Hobyo and all the rest major towns and economic heart of Galmudug. Notice where Camaara is.


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  2. This is the political/administrative map of Galmudug with the clan boundary ("faultline") between Sacad and Saleebaan transposed over the Hobyo District which includes Hobyo and Camaara.


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  3. This is a transposition of the clan, geography, and economy for the same area.


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    The result is called a "nexus."

    The presence of a nexus is a primary indicator of what is the true "genesis" of a conflict.

    Your suspicion that there might be more to this story than "Shabaab" is not without merit.

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Re: Fiqi: Qorqor fired me to bring "Gedo troops" under SNA to capture Guriceel, refused to bring SNA to fight in Camaara

Postby Kees70 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:27 am

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Walahi S.O i have to give to you MX's , y'all are tenacious damn, after being beaten with facts in your other thread you start another Click-bait thread about HGs and Galmudug :lol:

Anyhow, as for which HG won, let our Pres.QoorQoor speak about this when he praised GM past President and where it was started and that he is the 6th President of GM State kkkk.

Sxb Galmudug a 15 year old state existing itself is enough proof which HGs won and Ahlu-suufis is the last chapter to close for GM after Ximan iyo xeeb surrendered 7 years ago, anyhow Fiqi is an Sacad traitor we never liked him, and as of today we Sacad are promoting Mahad Salaad (who's Abtiyaal are Sacad) to be the Next Minister of Security or perhaps GM President after Qoorqoor.


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Re: Fiqi: Qorqor fired me to bring "Gedo troops" under SNA to capture Guriceel, refused to bring SNA to fight in Camaara

Postby SultanOrder » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:53 am

Kees, I don't have anything against HG. You are so threatened by the story (which makes perfect sense), you think any discussion about it is "hate." That's basically censorship.

I posted a YouTube video of what Fiqi. I did not even add anything to the post of the video.

I then quoted something very relevant to it which shows Fiqi statement follows a pattern.

Just this past week, Saleebaan militias shut down HOBYO PORT. I mean they actually took over Hobyo Port having grudges about who benefits from supply routes.
OCTOBER 13, 2021 BY NEWS OFFICE
MALAYSHIYA-BEELEED XOOG KU QABSADAY DEKEDA HOBYO

Malayshiya-beeleed hubaysan ayaa xoog kula wareegay dekedda magaalada Hobyo ee Gobolka Mudug kadib markii lagu murmay badeecado ganacsi oo laga dejin lahaa halkaas.

Wararka ayaa sheegaya in malayshiyaadkaas lacag weydiisteen ganacsato doonayay in ay badeecado ka dejistaan dekedda magaalada Hobyo kadibna ganacsatadu diiday in ay bixiyaan lacagtaas.



Malayshiyaadka ayaa dalbanaya in la siiyo cadad lacageed oo cayiman si ay u fasaxaan dekedda islamarkaana looga soo dejiyo badeecadaha ganacsiga ee xanniban.

Tallaabadaas ayaa xiisad ka abuurtay degmada Hobyo kadib markii ganacsatada qaarkood la soo baxeen hubkooda.
This just happened this week and when you include it into the larger narrative, it fits exactly a pattern already described by Voltage.

This is not about MX, this is about HG.

There is a serious dynastic war between HG.

It doesn't matter to Marehan which HG clan comes out on top, but Qoor and Saleebaan are definitely intent on being that victor within you guys.

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Re: Fiqi: Qorqor fired me to bring "Gedo troops" under SNA to capture Guriceel, refused to bring SNA to fight in Camaara

Postby Kees70 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:12 am

Sxb S.O before i get to teaching you about HG dynamics, let me be perfectly clear for the 100th of times, i have no hate for Beesha MX never did and never will, heck i even want an extra Senator in GM for y'all, what i am against is that y'all are becoming HG of the 90s with that Unaka leh Mentality :lol:

Sxb in every state there is gala dambeyn, i even tell my HGs to back off in Hiiraan that its Xawadle led region and also to back of Mogadishu leadership that its an Abgaals goof, and this is why i always tell my MX brethren's to seek your rightful State whether it be in JL or KG state and to focus only on Gedo your sole regional hegemony just as Galmudug is HG hegemony just for today until your other Darood brothers like Leelkase and CM join, than perhaps we can come to favorable term 60/40 or even 50/50 power-sharing between Hawiyes and Daroods, so insha'Allahi kheire

So anyway back to HGs, you do realize that of all HGs that beesha Salebaan and Sacad are closest who share same hooyo, even the Galmudug MPs allocation the salebaan gave Sacad an Cadaado 1 mp and Sacad gave Salebaan 1 mps in Hobyo lafta layaqaan Abokor who were expelled since 2004 when Sacad decided expelled the only Salebaans living in Hobyo reer abokor, but since than we made up.

As for Galmudug HGs GOT type of war we have, its very normal to fight for power, but 1 thing i can state out without no boasting that Sacad is miles ahead of all HGs when it comes to Politics and war.

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Re: Fiqi: Qorqor fired me to bring "Gedo troops" under SNA to capture Guriceel, refused to bring SNA to fight in Camaara

Postby MrSinister » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:59 am

Kees is one funny Moryaan. His own Hg are fighting over dusty tuulo and he’s talking about Leelkase and Cumar Maxamoud joining galnus. Lol

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Re: Fiqi: Qorqor fired me to bring "Gedo troops" under SNA to capture Guriceel, refused to bring SNA to fight in Camaara

Postby grandpakhalif » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:16 pm

PO, No Mareexan is gonna die for a HG let them massacre each other maxaa naga galay?


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