Ceel Dhudub is still Dhudub and Ceelka Qorof is today in the Wagardhac settlement of Ramalo (shows up prominently as "Meghanlo" on Google maps).
"Tuulo Qorax" is where exactly Saaxo is.
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Mr MariixmaanIf anybody wants to abandon Darood it’s us. You always sided with our external enemies. You always ran to foreigners to hide from big brother. Your state is isn’t divided by AMSOM. You’re complaining from a full belly. Don’t preach to other Daroods about kinship. Your shiisheeye kalkaal. Deni is persona non grata in Jubbaland.
You were on the throne at the height of our races power in all of history, you instigated and turned the OG (through your maternal ties) against me, you conspired with the rest of Harti to kill our own, you speak like you have done nothing wrong. Remember, and never forget this, it was you who massacred Ogaden and took Bardheere from them, that crime has nothing to do with us, why you would target Cawliyahaan, the most intelligent and honourable of the Ogaden clan is beyond me (the rest are stupid savages), I'm not your primary enemy in the South, it is them you should be answering to.
I bid you a good day.
You’re clearly wrong. There is and we’re Somalis clans who always used foreigners against other to achieve clanist goals. Majertain is ONE of them.I will happily use foreigners against Somalis when:
Majerteen are dhilooyinka Hawiye for a reason, whenever we want to destroy darood interests or overthrow an darood President, we simply phone up our 2-Dollar whores mjs, and let them do our dirty work.
Used and Abused like Said Deni.
Don’t forget foreigners used them recently and in the past against Somalis. Recently Kenya, UAE used them against Somalia. In the past it was the British Who use them against the dervishes. Ethiopia mengestu against Barre and Italian against Somalia. It’s well documented saciid Deni saying Nairobi should be the place where Somali affairs are discussed. And Ethiopia general slapping the shit out of Abdulahi Yusuf after using him. Tplf also used them to bring federalism and against xamar. They’ve always been dabadhilf!
1. They are killing and genociding one another for no apparent cause or reason.
2. Somalis themselves have ALWAYS used foreigners against one another
A) When Barre bombed Hargeisa and the Isaaq using South African mercenaries.
B) When Hawiye attacked Majeerteniya/Hobyo under the Colonial forces of Italy.
C) When SNM engaged in hit and run tactics under the tutelage of Ethiopian Defence forces and their intelligence departments.
D) When Aideed hailed the support of Ethiopia to attack/kill Darood civilians.
So please walaal, save us your tears. The Somali has no honour, why engage them with it when you know they'll seize every opportunity to undermine you? Ignorance.
Puntland does not discriminate against any clan, we're a civilised people alhamdulillah. Even Dabcasar says MJ is the only mild tempered clan, we Kaftan without getting emotional.
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MX are not discriminated anywhere in Puntland, they own businesses and have been integrating into Puntland the last two decades, this is fear mongering. They also share towns in Doolo with MJ with zero strife or issue, intermarriage is high, same case in Mudug.
Calm down mate.
Marehan and Omar Mohamud do not even have a long or even relevant history of aggression or belligerence between them.
Because, and I am not expressing enmity to them, but both groups see Ogaden as their West hegemonic foe and Habar Gidir as their eastern or southern hegemonic foe.
I don't fear you, believe me.Mr MariixmaanIf anybody wants to abandon Darood it’s us. You always sided with our external enemies. You always ran to foreigners to hide from big brother. Your state is isn’t divided by AMSOM. You’re complaining from a full belly. Don’t preach to other Daroods about kinship. Your shiisheeye kalkaal. Deni is persona non grata in Jubbaland.
You were on the throne at the height of our races power in all of history, you instigated and turned the OG (through your maternal ties) against me, you conspired with the rest of Harti to kill our own, you speak like you have done nothing wrong. Remember, and never forget this, it was you who massacred Ogaden and took Bardheere from them, that crime has nothing to do with us, why you would target Cawliyahaan, the most intelligent and honourable of the Ogaden clan is beyond me (the rest are stupid savages), I'm not your primary enemy in the South, it is them you should be answering to.
I bid you a good day.
Phinks,
I don’t need Darood. Darood needs me I bid you a good day. We all know why we’re feared. And why you fear us. That’s the difference between you and me. That’s why you’re little brother
You’re clearly wrong. There is and we’re Somalis clans who always used foreigners against other to achieve clanist goals. Majertain is ONE of them.I will happily use foreigners against Somalis when:
Don’t forget foreigners used them recently and in the past against Somalis. Recently Kenya, UAE used them against Somalia. In the past it was the British Who use them against the dervishes. Ethiopia mengestu against Barre and Italian against Somalia. It’s well documented saciid Deni saying Nairobi should be the place where Somali affairs are discussed. And Ethiopia general slapping the shit out of Abdulahi Yusuf after using him. Tplf also used them to bring federalism and against xamar. They’ve always been dabadhilf!
1. They are killing and genociding one another for no apparent cause or reason.
2. Somalis themselves have ALWAYS used foreigners against one another
A) When Barre bombed Hargeisa and the Isaaq using South African mercenaries.
B) When Hawiye attacked Majeerteniya/Hobyo under the Colonial forces of Italy.
C) When SNM engaged in hit and run tactics under the tutelage of Ethiopian Defence forces and their intelligence departments.
D) When Aideed hailed the support of Ethiopia to attack/kill Darood civilians.
So please walaal, save us your tears. The Somali has no honour, why engage them with it when you know they'll seize every opportunity to undermine you? Ignorance.
2: Hutus never came to you in hobyo it was Yusuf kenadiid with the help of Italians Who decided he wanted to rape, loot iand control HG. The HG latter realized they can allay with the Italians and do the same thing. And when they did, Kenadiid was murderd with without mercy this is a well known Somali history.
Finally don’t use the SNM or Aidded to disprove the point that you’ve always used foreigners. This isn’t for a debate ITS FACT and One of the reasons is you guys are not good at Battle.
Hmm, no, I disagree.Because, and I am not expressing enmity to them, but both groups see Ogaden as their West hegemonic foe and Habar Gidir as their eastern or southern hegemonic foe.
This is where I have to stop you, Makaahil existential enemies have always been the Addis regime and its cronies (Liyu Police), the Fitna between in Doolo was always initiated by them, in fact I'd say they were the PRIMARY victims, of course we all suffered under their tyranny.
You've piqued my interest on this matter, I'll have to confer with my uncles on Qorof and Dhudub.
You admitted yourself you need foreigners to stop me. Anyways it’s cuz you Team Deni. I don’t like DeniI don't fear you, believe me.
Mr Mariixmaan
You were on the throne at the height of our races power in all of history, you instigated and turned the OG (through your maternal ties) against me, you conspired with the rest of Harti to kill our own, you speak like you have done nothing wrong. Remember, and never forget this, it was you who massacred Ogaden and took Bardheere from them, that crime has nothing to do with us, why you would target Cawliyahaan, the most intelligent and honourable of the Ogaden clan is beyond me (the rest are stupid savages), I'm not your primary enemy in the South, it is them you should be answering to.
I bid you a good day.
Phinks,
I don’t need Darood. Darood needs me I bid you a good day. We all know why we’re feared. And why you fear us. That’s the difference between you and me. That’s why you’re little brother
After what you did to us under Barre's tenure, nothing phases us anymore, there is no such thing as Darood, Hawiye or Isaaq (it's quickly falling apart on their end) anymore, it's every sub-clan for himself.
If there were no Italians then where did he get the weapons and money from? Kenadiid fought with another MJ Boqor I don’t remember if it was Cisman but he did seek the help of foreigners to overpower H.G. He did enslaved them for a while but H.G latter realized they can do the same thing. And boy did he regret it because he got murderd without mercy. It’s a wide fact know that kenadiid used foreign money, weapons and power to enslave H.G. That’s why to this day H.G and M.J have a cuqdad for each other unlike any other Somali clans. Finally, kenadiid aside how about the M.J boqor against dervish, or SSDF going to mengestu and latter tplf. Or Tplf using abdulahi Yusuf even long after barre were ousted? And we all know the slap abdulahi Yusuf took which is discussed in our Somali household. How about Deni saying Somalia should be ruled from Nairobi live on air? Anyways I hope majertain leaders realize that there are other ways to achieve political goals without being a prostitute for foreigners. All this and still M.J is in the same boat as other Somalis today. Finally I’m not saying ONLY M.J use Gaalo, Hutus do, O.G do and so does idoor but I’m saying M.J, ABG, Idoors are unmatched with their Gaalo service by other Somali clans. But, positive things about M.J is they value peace, governance, and ilbaxmimo. I’ll give you that!You’re clearly wrong. There is and we’re Somalis clans who always used foreigners against other to achieve clanist goals. Majertain is ONE of them.
I will happily use foreigners against Somalis when:
1. They are killing and genociding one another for no apparent cause or reason.
2. Somalis themselves have ALWAYS used foreigners against one another
A) When Barre bombed Hargeisa and the Isaaq using South African mercenaries.
B) When Hawiye attacked Majeerteniya/Hobyo under the Colonial forces of Italy.
C) When SNM engaged in hit and run tactics under the tutelage of Ethiopian Defence forces and their intelligence departments.
D) When Aideed hailed the support of Ethiopia to attack/kill Darood civilians.
So please walaal, save us your tears. The Somali has no honour, why engage them with it when you know they'll seize every opportunity to undermine you? Ignorance.
2: Hutus never came to you in hobyo it was Yusuf kenadiid with the help of Italians Who decided he wanted to rape, loot iand control HG. The HG latter realized they can allay with the Italians and do the same thing. And when they did, Kenadiid was murderd with without mercy this is a well known Somali history.
Finally don’t use the SNM or Aidded to disprove the point that you’ve always used foreigners. This isn’t for a debate ITS FACT and One of the reasons is you guys are not good at Battle.
There were no Italians present in the formation of Hobyo Sultunate, it was a 99% Somali initiative by the people, and for the people, all clans were present and welcome. Kenadiid hated Qabiliyad, his primary enemies were not the HG, MX, OG or anyone else for that matter, it was his own MJ brethren to the North. You'd be wise not to dishonour him and his family's life ambitions of a united Somalia.
Ceel Dhudub and Ceelka Qorof historicallyHow did you not know Dhudub? Dhudub is one of the most important oasis in the central plateau and like Galaadi, Buuhoodle, and the Marehan Buuro (Raqo, Golweyn), and Ceelka Qorof one of the most important PERMANENT (not seasonal), deep water wells. In fact, Qorof and Dhudub are historically considered two of the most important reserves for truly catastrophic drought times---Qorof by Marehan (within Marehan it is considered "owned" by Wagardhac) and Dhudub by Majerten and Layl Kase.
Ceel Dhudub is still Dhudub and Ceelka Qorof is today in the Wagardhac settlement of Ramalo (shows up prominently as "Meghanlo" on Google maps).
"Tuulo Qorax" is where exactly Saaxo is.
V why don't you show us the approximate mx border in dollo/wardheer and shilaabo. Adding mudug and galgaduud won't be bad either. With dhudub being north of galadi, it seems i have no exact idea what the current border is. Maybe shed light on that. And since sometimes there is no absolute border u can maybe show us shared areas too.Ceel Dhudub and Ceelka Qorof historicallyHow did you not know Dhudub? Dhudub is one of the most important oasis in the central plateau and like Galaadi, Buuhoodle, and the Marehan Buuro (Raqo, Golweyn), and Ceelka Qorof one of the most important PERMANENT (not seasonal), deep water wells. In fact, Qorof and Dhudub are historically considered two of the most important reserves for truly catastrophic drought times---Qorof by Marehan (within Marehan it is considered "owned" by Wagardhac) and Dhudub by Majerten and Layl Kase.
Ceel Dhudub is still Dhudub and Ceelka Qorof is today in the Wagardhac settlement of Ramalo (shows up prominently as "Meghanlo" on Google maps).
"Tuulo Qorax" is where exactly Saaxo is.
It is impossible, S Bashi. Somali pastoralism,. which is almost entirely the historical livelihood in this area (for example, there are no agro-pastoralists even) by nature frowns against a "hard border" either by you or by your neighbors.
The border therefore is less like the clear demarcation required by farmers and more like a "shading" or "gradient."
In particular, as a survival tool, it actually encourages a less clearly defined boundary as an almost "manipulation" for insurance during drought. You don't want an "understanding," you want confusion when you need to spread out or move around during hard times.
For example, look at the Majerten and Marehan conversation here. We know Yamaarugley is a Marehan settlement, and we know immediately to the north of Galadi it is all Majerten(or Layl Kase) settlements. But in Galadi, Marehan and Majerten mix. In Dhudub close ny they mix, in fact, between Yamaarugley to Dhudub they free mix without an understanding about what or where is the boundary.
Is Yamaarugley the boundary? Well in that case, Marehan are clearly beyond the boundary line and even live in Galadi and Dhudub as recognized settlers. Is Galadi and Dhudub the boundary? Well Majerten utilize the grazing south of Galadi and Dhudub even sometimes up to Duuban.
This is why before I said there is no boundary between Marehan and Majerten but rather a "mixing point" or shoulder they rub against each other.
Similar with Ogaden all over the western border. In Neeckuceshe, Caleen, even in Lahelow Rer Cusmaan grazing mixes with Makaahiil and sometimes Makaahiil will need to come ll the way fo graze at Fadhi garaadle.
Same with Cayr in Balanbale.
The only place thatI can think of where a hard border has been instituted is between Sacad and Darood, either with Cumar Maxmuud or Wagardhac and I would argue that is a response to the "out of bounds" or really egregious level Sacad under Caydiid attempted to compel their neighbors in a momentary period of perceived leverage.
Law of science, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Sacad's actions then still reverberate in the equal and opposite reaction that has ejected and is still barring their participation in the normal grazing relationship.
Here is my full map generally of Marehan equities in the central plateau, it does not however allude to any hard border arguing a "Marehan" line at any part of the perimeter however.
I am very well are the perimeter is more a gradient or shading than a hard or clear line
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p5031362
Because we have the best grazing land. That is as simple and concise an answer. Really wallahi.It is impossible, S Bashi. Somali pastoralism,. which is almost entirely the historical livelihood in this area (for example, there are no agro-pastoralists even) by nature frowns against a "hard border" either by you or by your neighbors.
The border therefore is less like the clear demarcation required by farmers and more like a "shading" or "gradient."
In particular, as a survival tool, it actually encourages a less clearly defined boundary as an almost "manipulation" for insurance during drought. You don't want an "understanding," you want confusion when you need to spread out or move around during hard times.
For example, look at the Majerten and Marehan conversation here. We know Yamaarugley is a Marehan settlement, and we know immediately to the north of Galadi it is all Majerten(or Layl Kase) settlements. But in Galadi, Marehan and Majerten mix. In Dhudub close ny they mix, in fact, between Yamaarugley to Dhudub they free mix without an understanding about what or where is the boundary.
Is Yamaarugley the boundary? Well in that case, Marehan are clearly beyond the boundary line and even live in Galadi and Dhudub as recognized settlers. Is Galadi and Dhudub the boundary? Well Majerten utilize the grazing south of Galadi and Dhudub even sometimes up to Duuban.
This is why before I said there is no boundary between Marehan and Majerten but rather a "mixing point" or shoulder they rub against each other.
Similar with Ogaden all over the western border. In Neeckuceshe, Caleen, even in Lahelow Rer Cusmaan grazing mixes with Makaahiil and sometimes Makaahiil will need to come ll the way fo graze at Fadhi garaadle.
Same with Cayr in Balanbale.
The only place thatI can think of where a hard border has been instituted is between Sacad and Darood, either with Cumar Maxmuud or Wagardhac and I would argue that is a response to the "out of bounds" or really egregious level Sacad under Caydiid attempted to compel their neighbors in a momentary period of perceived leverage.
Law of science, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Sacad's actions then still reverberate in the equal and opposite reaction that has ejected and is still barring their participation in the normal grazing relationship.
Here is my full map generally of Marehan equities in the central plateau, it does not however allude to any hard border arguing a "Marehan" line at any part of the perimeter however.
I am very well are the perimeter is more a gradient or shading than a hard or clear line
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p5031362
You answered the questions i had remaining when i replied to you in the other topic. The reason I insist on knowing where the exact border lies, which to me is at what point mx stop grazing, is because our darood neighbours have claimed ownership of these "mixing points" which are predominately mx. Mx is never seeking to go beyond but our areas are always under attack. Whether it's yamaarugley or fadhigaraadle or neefkuceshe these areas have been under constant pressure from og and mj. When can our friendly cousins stop being greedy?
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