How deep is the Madhibaan damage?

[sadeboi]

I don't think its madhibaan only...my family would act the same way if I married anyone who was not Darood.....



its just life... i mean have you ever seen nin darood ah oo gaber loo diidayo (and this is not the time to bring fake stories kids)....seriously..some people are just "different" then others...


its nobility...some are the most noble (Darood) and others aren't (all others)



and i hope no non-darood ever asks for my daughters hand...that is the day i will ship her some 3000 miles away from where he is.....

[DawladSade]

In the ideal world no such segregation would exist between Madhibaan/Nasab, Gun/Aji or whatever prepostrous thing our people decided to divide themselves into. I mean seriously, what is a madhibaan? when you ask that question you get thirty different responses. one story is supposedly a certain brother ate "bakhti" while midka kale wuu iska dhawre, you would then think that story would bring a clear and popularly accepted amalgation between the peoples right? but then a good majority of other says madhibaan are part of every qabiil. and then still others say they are a grouping of people who used to have "occupations" (really meaning farsama yaqaano in the same sense we ALL are farsama yaqaano one way or another in the qurba) as opposed to the "gellay" "nobles. clearly there is an inconsistency and dig a little deeper you realize just how prepostrous the whole notion of gun/aji is and would probably have been originally (MY THEORY) a way for the lesser skilled nomads to have more confidence and a better self-esteem in the face of the better skilled (and what would seem more "supperior" and "advanced") non-nomads. as the gellay were quite the majority, their injustice became the norm of the day by way of egalatirian DEMOCRACY. majority rule, minority rights but in this case majority rule (gellay rights) led to a tramplin of minority rights (madhibaan, tumaal,etc rights.)


anyhow comin to present-day stuff i personally would not marry a madhibaan girl because the social stigma is so deep that i would be sacrificin lives of people not even born yet (my children) and exposin them to alot of things i would not want to go through. do i think that i having a choice to my kid's future scial positions whereas others dont is extremely unfair? HELL YES i do and it is why i personally do not blv that hogwash and will not ever discriminate a person in real life of being "madhibaan".


besides anigoo nin ah cidayda meel an ka galo baan wayni doonaa..haday isaaq iyo qolooyinkaa kaloo la yidhi waa "nasab" sidaa iiga "xaaraansanyahiin" halkee baa gabadh madhibaan ka dooni karaa?

p.s. please bear in mind i truly sympathise with those people (i cannot say i "understand" what they go thro as that would truly be unfair to just what exactly they go thro) but i sympathesise with them and i will never discriminate against them myself.

[Sir-Luggoyo]

This is the first time in S-net history one topic flowed consistently, is it the qabiil thing or is this a topic that everybody had in mind to share but was a little shy of?

Thanks guys for your sincere inputs with the grains of insults from old nemesis, I will brush that aside since we are in bigger and more sensitive discussion.

Trust me I have tried and tried repeatedly, she is the kind of women you don't give up easily, she is the definition of the two lines in Salad Darbi's song "Illaa cidhibta hoosiyo, tinta caaradeeda cad xun ku arki mayside" this is not an everyday average Halimo and trust me I have passed on my here lots and lots of Halimos. This one is exceptional and a reason for my persistance

When you see her first and how she carries herself, the pride, the elegance, the composure, everything exudes confidence, but the closer you get to her, every approach and attempt reveals a layer of cover shrouding a fragile, vulnerable and utter emptiness, void of self esteem, then a doubt of your feeling kicks in, should I feel pity for her or love, a confusion of feelings intermingled, then a feeling of sorrow takes over and you voluntarily suppress the love you had for her.

She has either been in this senario or have given a lot of thinking but her stand is clear and she doesn't wanna open up for a so-called nassab, I sense it is a decision she had made a long time ago and no matter how much someone tries, to penetrate that wall she surrounded herself with is next to impossible. The hurt and agony she shows is unbearable, no matter how much I care, I have to respect her decision, leave her alone and give her my blessings.

[eyes-only]

The most ridiculous comment I’ve heard was ................................“I’m not racist or discriminating or anything, I just think they have inferiority complex which will ultimately destroy your relationship with them. Besides, you and I may not be racist but that doesn’t mean others are the same, you have to think about what sort of life you want for your future children. Do you want them to be discriminated against?” And then, stories about people that married people who are discriminated against or people of lower class to them.

I personally think if you start making excuses for discriminating against the person you are racist. People, especially Somalis will always discriminate against others for one reason or another, at the end of the day, it depends on how much you love the person.

[Gacalisa]

this issue is not only racist and wrong, but its xaram to the fullest. its xaram not to marry someone or hate someone for that matter because of thier lineage.

Allah did say, its better to mate with your own, but that does not give you the right to hate everyone different or with a different name. by your own, i think it meant, byyour people, somali, arab, american, not by your last name and qabiil.


I dont care for the qabiil of anyone, I hardly know the qabiil of most of my friends.


and yes i would marry someone that is midgaan or someone not liked. why is it that is ok to marry a white guy and not to marry your own somali at some points. CRAZY

[kambuli]

Folks, this is a true story and I personaly know the characters...

These two young people fall in love.... The boy happened to hail from Madhiban clan.... The parents of the girls threatened the girl that they will disown her if she marries the guy... The guy was very very handsome, educated and well mannered...

After a while the girl started dating this White guy.... Walaahay arooska iyo damdamta loo dhigey waa la yaaby...

[Gacalisa]

exactly, Kambuli this not funny, it is heart breakening.

[qudhac-m]

Sir

Awoow anaa kuu waramayee HABEEN KA AAD QAYISHO intaad heeraha iska eegto laba kar ku rafac other then that yaaanan kaa maqlin caruur aan abti lahayn baan dhalaaayaa.
Ma maqlaysaa waaryaa yaana kaa maqlin waaba ninkaagan u tafa xaydin inuu reerka ka dhigo reer tumaalka la xidida.

Suldaaankii qudhac iyo aabahaa qawdhan oo diyaarada soo saran maygaag

[Xplosive]

Marrying cadaan is worse than marrying Madhibaan.

Shit, that rhymed

[COSTA]

Marrying Isaaq is worse than marrying Madhibaan

[Sir-Luggoyo]

[quote="qudhac-m"]Sir

Awoow anaa kuu waramayee HABEEN KA AAD QAYISHO intaad heeraha iska eegto laba kar ku rafac other then that yaaanan kaa maqlin caruur aan abti lahayn baan dhalaaayaa.
Ma maqlaysaa waaryaa yaana kaa maqlin waaba ninkaagan u tafa xaydin inuu reerka ka dhigo reer tumaalka la xidida.

Suldaaankii qudhac iyo aabahaa qawdhan oo diyaarada soo saran maygaag

[/quote]





Awoow,

Adigu iska kaalay laakin odeygaa Qawdhan ehee isaguba iska liicaya dayaaradda kaa mantaggeeda iyo laab la kaceeda.

@ Carruur aan abti lahayn

Oo maxaa abtiga u diiday, gabadhu madi ma aha ee wiilal badan bay walaalo yihiin

[kambuli]

Gacalka, quote " exactly, Kambuli this not funny, it is heart breakening."

Isn't it walaal

But I have good news The guy dated another girl, walaahay she is a very very beautiful girl...more beautiful than what they call models....
Then her parents tried to sabotage the wedding too, but as beautiful she is outside she is beautiful inside too.... This is what she did:

She took the Quran to her dad and mom and asked them to show her the verse(Aayah) which prohibits this marriage.... If they can't do that, she told them they have two choices:

1. Either to accept the guy and bless their Xalaal Marriage or

2. She will elope with him.

Walaahay waa loo meheriyey, they are very happily married she is expecting her first child now...

[Lord Diplock]

I wont marry non-Ogaden, let alone a midgaan, why the hassle?

I feel sorry for them, but it is none of my business.

[kambuli]

Lord,

Yes it is our business If our forefathers made the mistake we should correct the mistake....Sorry is not enough

[Lord Diplock]

[quote="kambuli"]Lord,

Yes it is our business If our forefathers made the mistake we should correct the mistake....Sorry is not enough [/quote]

so, how can we (the none-midgaans) correct the mistake done allegedly by our ancestors?

it is like saying a young German ought to be held responsible for the NAZI war crimes.

At any rate, where i was born and brought up, I never heard about midgaans being maltreated.

Maybe u and Sir Lug should start correcting the mistake by marrying them