Jews in Somalia

[michael_ital]

No but he's right in that Jews won't just accept someone who converts in name only. You gotta actually WANT to BE Jew. They WILL test you, to even the point of gettin circumcized, iffn you aint been.

[James Dahl]

For more details about this, here is the wikipedia entry on Jewish conversion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Judaism

And even then you aren't considered really Jewish, just an honorary Jew.

[Karbaash_killa]

http://qaadisiya.com/view_contents.php?articleid=72

[James Dahl]

Ahh that's ameteurish, the Yemenis make the best Zionist conspiracy theories, check this gem out from a few years back:
http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=9 ... munity&a=1

I wouldn't be surprized if you can take courses in Zionist Conspiracy Studies at the University of Sana'a.

[gurey25]

Yemen is one of the few arab states that still has jews.

anyway there is a somali myth about some oppressive jewish king in the north,
during the early years of islam.

[James Dahl]

Might not be a myth actually, the same Queen Gudit of Damot who sacked Axum may have also seized Axum's eastern territories (Somaliland, Djibouti, Afar region and Harar). As she is recorded to have ruled the coast for over 40 years during the 10th century. This corresponds to the start of Islam in Somalia and after her reign Muslim states started cropping up around Damot.

If that myth is true, this actually fills an interesting hole in the historical record. With this myth we have a new chronology:

628 AD: Axum rules an empire of tributary states from the Ethiopian Highlands, provides sanctuary to Muhammed
896 AD: Sultanate of Shewa established at Walalah
950 AD: Axum disintegrates into civil war
950s AD: The Damoti under princess Bani al-Hamwiyah seizes control of the far south, would become the Sidamo people
960 AD: The Jewish princess of Damot, Gudit, sacks Axum (same person?)
960s AD: The last Emperor of Axum is killed by the Prince of Lasta, Mara Takla Haymanot, who founds the Zagwe dynasty

So Gudit/Bani al-Hamwiyah is a strong Jewish conqueress who, if the myth is a reality, would have conquered east as well. At this point the Somali as a people did not exist yet, and the only people in this area are Midgan, Tomal, Turyer, Hinjinleh, Magdleh and Yibir clans, who are probably the indigenous Somali clans who lived under the Axumites.

Furthering the chronology we begin to enter the murky world of Somali clans as they relate to the timeline.
1000s AD? Ram ibn Nag arrives in Somalia, marries a local woman and has Zumali ibn Ram, his grandsons Esi and Hawiye found the Dir and Hawiye clan groups.
1100s AD? Sheikh Isaaq ibn Ahmad ibn Muhammed founds the Isaaq group of clans, brings Islam to Somaliland
1200s AD? Sheikh Abdirahman Is'mail Al Jaberti (Sheikh Darod) converts the Somalis to Islam, founds the Darod group of clans, converts the rest of Somalia.

[gurey25]

1. You are exaggerating the extent of Axum.
Axum never reached as far south as harar and harar itself was founded in the 800's probably by muslim refugees fleeing persecution in Axum.
The extreme similiarity of the clothing the vocabulary and cultural practices of the Harari people and the Jaberti muslims of Eritrea and Tigray points ot this .
Axum never had control over the regions of shewa and Damot(you guessed right Damot was of the sidamo people)
Axum however did have control over the northern coasts for a brief period between AD 560 and 600
When the Persian navy destroyed the Axumites and re-established Persian Sasanid control over Yemen and Aden.


2.About the clans you should take them with a pinch of salt, but yes all the somali clans today even the oldest can be traced no further than 600AD.

[James Dahl]

In the 3rd century AD according to the philosopher and prophet Mani, Axum was considered to be one of the four great world powers, along with Rome, China and Persia.

[gurey25]

yes ofcourse.
but it was a coastal state, on the Eritrean coast and only reached as far south as the tigray highlands.

Control over Red sea trade routes was contested by the yemeni kingdoms , Axum and Persia
in a three way struggle that Persia won.

[abwaan1]

Hay'ad Sirdoon oo laga leeyahay Israel oo ka howl-gasha gudaha Somalia




That is not new news. Somaalia un kuma koobna.

[gurey25]

arabs have caused more misfortune than Isreal or jews in Somalia

[Seoma [Crawler2]]

in the check point between jordan and israel i pray every time the check pointer is not arab jew. they're worse specially yemen's,harsher n insultive. they're second class out there n are not as aducated as others so they put all their anger on you. they were ill treated back home n there in israel too.

other than that dont worry about israel converting your people to judaism. they think they have monopoly in heaven that they dont want to share their religion.

musad? they're running in every muslim capital. they dont worry about muslim governments. they worry about islamic groups if there is any in Somalia.

[eyes-only]

I don't think the aim of this is to convert Somalis into Judaism, the only way you can be considered a real Jew is if your mother was a jew...so unless they can prove all those habrooshin were Yahuud, Somalis will never be yahuud (thank God).

You guys have probably forgotten they tried this in Northern Iraq (Kurdistan)...it is all about securing their refuelling stop on their planned air bombardment of Iran. Looks like Israel is going to be setting up a base in Somalia. I suppose this humanitarian convoy is their way of wining hearts and minds and learning more about the people......

Anyway, those children who are dieing of diarrhoea need whatever help they can get and we should thank Israel for providing the little aid they are providing for now....but they shouldn't think we don't know what they're up to.

[Hyperactive]

Israel closer than Somali to Iran. They are not there to win hearts of any one either. Not behind every thing conspiracy theories. Israel wants to be part of the world who give. Same as other Western, Japanesse, China. If their way doing that to get some intrests why not?

Arabti o danba o kala domanaya israel ma Somali ba ka haramsan?

[Bagamundo]

Somali kama haram sanee wana la ka harm time ye