why are modern muslims weaker than south americans?

[musika man]

the whole of south america is slowly turning against george bush and neo conservatives and globalisation. a silent but peaceful revolution is taking place in south america. why do muslims in the west who hate each other, cry, weep and feel hopeless victims like teenage girls with their first periods? one example is somalis on this website. they hate each other tribally and can't agree to stabilizing their own country and help their people live like humans. these same people will shed corocdile tears for the people of palestine and far away places. in palestine they are on the edge for a civil war. why can't these muslims in the west go back to their countries, establish democratic institutions and then oppose people like george bush like the new south americans? are they all p.ussies?

[galia]

Why can't somali's unite and throw out the ethiopians?

[+chilli]

Not all SA, mainily Chevz and his friends Cuba, but they also rely on US economically, so wont make a big sound, but rather whisper to each other.

Same thing with the Muslims, its individuals that are whiny and moaning about America never a State.

[musika man]

[quote="+chilli"]Not all SA, mainily Chevz and his friends Cuba, but they also rely on US economically, so wont make a big sound, but rather whisper to each other.

Same thing with the Muslims, its individuals that are whiny and moaning about America never a State.[/quote]

not all south america but a growing list of countries.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/latin ... index.html


The following are capsules of the central and South American countries that are now run by leftist governments or where left-of-centre leaders could take power in 2006.


Chile:

On Jan. 15, 2006, Chileans elected their first woman president. Socialist Michelle Bachelet comes from the same centre-left alliance that has run Chile since the end of the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in1990. She was jailed and tortured during the Pinochet years but subsequently won praise for her efforts to heal the deep post-Pinochet divisions between the military and rank-and-file Chileans. She came to power on a market-friendly promise to improve social equality. Her platform pledged to maintain free trade ties and good relations with the U.S.

Bolivia:
Bolivia's president-elect, Evo Morales, became the first indigenous person to be elected to the top job in the country's history in December 2005. He is a former labour leader, an ally of Venezuela's Chavez, and a longtime leftist. But observers don't agree on whether his government will move to the far left. During his campaign, Morales threatened to nationalize foreign oil companies in Bolivia. But he appeared to take a more conciliatory attitude following his election, saying that foreign companies "have every right to recover investments and make profits." He did, however, add that those profits need to be "balanced."

Venezuela:
The presidency of Hugo Chavez has survived a coup attempt, a nationwide oil strike, and a recall referendum. But it's widely expected he'll be re-elected in a vote scheduled for December 2006. Washington accuses him of fomenting instability throughout South America. And Chavez has annoyed and worried the U.S. with his continuing threats to cut off oil exports. The tone of Chavez' rhetoric is avowedly anti-American, accusing the Bush administration of wanting to impose "horrific imperialism" on the world. Critics say he is using the country's vast oil fortune to increase his influence far beyond Venezuela's borders. Chavez's warm friendship with Cuba's Fidel Castro hardly endears him to Washington either.

Argentina:
Argentine President Nestor Kirchner came to power in 2003 following the worst economic crisis in Argentina's history. He is a reformist and a centre-left Peronist and once declared he was proud of his radical past, which included a stint in prison during the dictatorships of the 1970s. Once in office, he forced many judges and military leaders to leave office or retire and then managed to reschedule Argentina's huge foreign debt. The next presidential election is scheduled for 2007.

Mexico:
Mexicans head to the polls in July 2006 to elect a new president for the next six years. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, leader of the Democratic Revolution Party (PRD), is leading in the polls. The popular former mayor of Mexico City is considered a moderate leftist who advocates more social spending. He is promising a social security plan for senior citizens and pledges to reduce the wide income disparity in the country.

Brazil:
Brazilians cast their ballots in the presidential election set for Oct. 1, 2006. Moderate leftist Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva (popularly known as "Lula"), first elected in 2002, is expected to run again. But he could face an uphill battle from centrist Jose Serra, thanks to campaign finance and bribery scandals that have forced the resignations of several high officials in Lula's Workers Party.

Uruguay:
One of the first things Tabare Vazquez did after he was sworn in as Uruguay's first leftist president in 2005 was to re-establish diplomatic relations with Cuba. But the former mayor of Montevideo is not perceived to be as radically left as Castro (or Venezuela's Chavez, for that matter). Instead, many liken Vazquez to Brazil's Lula – a moderate leftist intent on fighting poverty and creating jobs, while embracing an economic direction that is more centrist and favouring foreign investment.

Nicaragua
Elections in Nicaragua take place Nov. 5, 2006. The current president, Enrique Bolanos, is a U.S.-backed businessman first elected in 2001. But he could be in for a major fight to hang on to his job. Sandanista leader Daniel Ortega says he wants to run for the presidency and the U.S. is clearly worried that Ortega and the left-wing Sandinistas could be returned to power for the first time since their ouster in 1990.

Peru
Peruvians vote in presidential elections April 9. A leftist could end up succeeding the current president, Alejandro Toledo. A retired military officer, Ollanta Humala, has seen his popularity surge in recent polling. He has openly allied himself with Veneuzuela's Chavez and Bolivia's Morales. But Humala would still face a tough battle with Lourdes Flores Nano, the centre-right candidate, and a runoff election would likely be necessary in May. Former left-wing President Alan Garcia is also in the running.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/latin ... index.html

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Muskia
The whole "oppose George Bush" thing is WAY overplayed. In south America, there is opposition to SOME of Bushes policies, but not all. There is much discussion, for example, about free trade and the expansion of NAFTA. Only Chavez constantly harangues about Bush. The other leaders there may take issue with some of his policies, but it is not some universal "let's hate Bush til the cows come up and blame all of our problems on him" bandwagon. There has been a decided shift to the left in Latin American politics. How permanent this is remains to be seen.

[musika man]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Muskia
The whole "oppose George Bush" thing is WAY overplayed. In south America, there is opposition to SOME of Bushes policies, but not all. There is much discussion, for example, about free trade and the expansion of NAFTA. Only Chavez constantly harangues about Bush. The other leaders there may take issue with some of his policies, but it is not some universal "let's hate Bush til the cows come up and blame all of our problems on him" bandwagon. There has been a decided shift to the left in Latin American politics. How permanent this is remains to be seen.[/quote]

^^^

abgal boi, do you think george bush advanced american interests? most americans see america as the greatest country in the world, and i proudly say, it is the greatest empire, but george bush is the worst leader of any empire. libby was found guilty, does that make you secure as a junior military guy? this is a great country with the worst leader. that is why it is understandable why the latino countries are revolting against bush not america. no people or country in europe, latin america, asia and africa likes george bush and he f.oked up the american logo. today, world public opinion says bush as the most dangerous person, not america or the american people. talk like bush, and like speaking to a congregation of right wing religious fanatic americans saying you saw in a religious dream the neccesities of these wars in a religious awakening, and blame bush's stupidity and agression on islam and all muslims. you are doing fine as a spokesperson for the worst american president.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

I have two big problems with the Bush administration:

a. The exercise of raw power was always the first recourse. The government has all the subtelty of an earthquake. Every time

b. The administration was tone deaf. It never listened to allies, it never listened to anyone. Always had to have things their own way. Often tended to oversimplify the complex.

So no, I would MUCH prefer that John McCaine had won the presidential race of 2000. But he didn't.

[Padishah]

Joh McCain is a flip-flopping idiot and seasoned prostitute for AIPAC. He does not put America First, Second, Third and Last. Neither does any other politician in Washington.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

McCaine seldom flip flops. He does change his mind - but aren't we all entitled to do that?

True enough, I am deeply suspicious of all politicians (American or otherwise) myelf. But they are a necessary evil.

[musika man]

[quote="MAD MAC"]I have two big problems with the Bush administration:

a. The exercise of raw power was always the first recourse. The government has all the subtelty of an earthquake. Every time

b. The administration was tone deaf. It never listened to allies, it never listened to anyone. Always had to have things their own way. Often tended to oversimplify the complex.

So no, I would MUCH prefer that John McCaine had won the presidential race of 2000. But he didn't.[/quote]

^^^^


good a and b points. a better option only to bush. algore should have been president.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

I despise Al Gore He is a liar and a naive who would have been thoroughly overmatched in the white house. The Democrats were fools to nominate him.

[musika man]

[quote="MAD MAC"]I despise Al Gore He is a liar and a naive who would have been thoroughly overmatched in the white house. The Democrats were fools to nominate him.[/quote]

^^^

a liar? are you searchimg for a non lying politician, a pesident?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

OK, good point there. He's still a naive.

[Seoma [Crawler2]]

other muslims like malaysia, indonesia, and pakistanis doing good only arabs n muslim africans are doing poorly.

[musika man]

[quote="MAD MAC"]OK, good point there. He's still a naive.[/quote]

if you say algore is naive bush is destructive to american interests.