Does Israel have a right to exist?

[quantum]

When people comment do they really speak from a personal experience point of view?

It is interesting most somali responses tend to be preconditioned when it comes to thier views of jews.

The world owes much to the people of the middle-east, spritually, culturally, socially, financially etc. Yet never in the histroy of mankind has somuch hate been projected at a single nation that is owed somuch by all on earth.

There are good and bad from every nation, race and religion but if by default you are preconditioned to hate a particular group then only you stand to loose out. All on earth have a right to exist and to have a place they can call home. Isreal is here to stay like it or not and thier citizens have the right to seek a life in pursuit of thier own happiness.

Where were the arabs in somalis hours of need?

I dont see thousands of somalis running to arab countries to seek refuge. Actually they began deporting you as soon as the wars began, right?

Lastly i suspect if there was no jewish enfluence on foreign policy in your current country of residence you surely would still be in africa. The world is full off lies but know this so long as you deny a single human the right to live in peace you surrender your own right to exist in peace.

[abucubeed]

[quote="MAD MAC"]I was reading this little tit for tat discussion and article. Frankly, I do not see how it is possible for a resolution to the crisis in the Levant if we don't have a settlement that revolves around something close to the 67 borders, two state solution. Hamas position obviously makes that impossible at present.

The real question is, how many here believe that Hamas is right, that Israel should not be recognized, that the agreements made by the Palestinian Authority under Arafat should be abbrogated, and that the Palestinians should continue to attack Israel with whatever means at their disposal?[/quote]


wrong question , wrong place

[Navy9]

live and let live!

[Padishah]

I am sure the guy who squats illegally in a house is paranoid of being apprehended and charged by the police. Their paranoia is a by-product of the consequences of their actiond, and they would not be paranoid, if the Israeli's weren't expasionist bastards with a penchant for ethnic cleansing.

As for whether Israel has a [b]right[/b] to exist in its current form; which is an expansionist apartheid illegally nuclear armed settler state, then do it does not have the [b]right[/b] to exist. The funny thing is, when demands are made for the Palestinians to recognise the [b]right[/b] for Israel to exist, they are asked to recognise the above state of affairs, which is utterly repellant to them. Would you recognise the right of a squatter to live in your home?

Add to that, constant refusals by Israeli's since 1948 to recognise Palestinians and the possibility of a Palestinian State, you get a sense of how the Israeli's want a legitimisation of their current state, and scuttle or stall any efforts in bringing about the two state solution.

But if Israel were to pack up its Ashkenazi settler filth in the West Bank, remove all their filthy presence from the Yesha or Occupied Territories, dismantle the wall, compensate the Palestinians for the land, houses and orchards lost since 1948, and go back to the 1967 borders, then it might have some right to ask whether is has the [b]right[/b] to exist.

Not a second before.

[FAH1223]

[quote="Ceelgabo"]No Isreal has no right to exist in Middle east...but they have every right to exist in Baveria Germany..[/quote]

how come they have honored their agreements with Egypt and Jordan?

they need to recognize Israel, this bullsh1t has gone on long enough

East Jerusalem needs to be the capital and the Palestinians and other Muslims should work on the holy sites that seriously need renovating

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Padishah
I do agree that there are two sides to this coin. God knows the Israelis have their own freaks who believe that God gave the Jews the West Bank and through divine edict the Palestinians do not have the right to live there. Big problem. I'm not arguing that. The Israeli mainstream will have to deal with that.

I do not agree the settlements have to be dismantled. I think that Jews who want to live on the West Bank should be left there, if they so choose. They will just be governed by Palestinians, in the same way that the over one million Arabs are left in Israel governed by Jews.

The question is, do you think Hamas' position on this is counter-productive or not? How does the Hamas position bring peace to the Middle East or stability for the Palestinians? I don't see any good outcome from their current position.

[Ina Baxar]

quantum-->"The world is full off lies but know this so long as you deny a single human the right to live in peace you surrender your own right to exist in peace"

I agree with that!!
Hey can you send us a couple of Galils on the low mate ?

[Niya]

Mad Mac, I have not read the whole post, but are conditions for right to exist defined and how will it benefit Palestine?

[FAH1223]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Padishah
I do agree that there are two sides to this coin. God knows the Israelis have their own freaks who believe that God gave the Jews the West Bank and through divine edict the Palestinians do not have the right to live there. Big problem. I'm not arguing that. The Israeli mainstream will have to deal with that.

I do not agree the settlements have to be dismantled. I think that Jews who want to live on the West Bank should be left there, if they so choose. They will just be governed by Palestinians, in the same way that the over one million Arabs are left in Israel governed by Jews.

The question is, do you think Hamas' position on this is counter-productive or not? How does the Hamas position bring peace to the Middle East or stability for the Palestinians? I don't see any good outcome from their current position.[/quote]

Nope, Hamas' position ain't gonna work and thats why a lot of these Arab nations have soften their stance on Israel.

The West Bank and Gaza have to be fully given to the Palestinians and like you said, settlers will have to be governed under Palestine. Plus, they need to have control of their own borders.. no more IDF in the territorities, let a Palestinian army take those positions. Plus the sharing of natural resources.. namely WATER has to be even shared in the territories.. you got people living in refugee camps in their own homeland. SMH

As Arabs are under Israel and even have citizenship there. I think about 1.5 Million Arabs live in Israel today and vast majority are citizens.

Mainstream Israelis don't care about this "God given land" stuff, they're sick and tired of the bullshit and want closure just as much as the average Palestinian.

I also think we need a more left leaning Israeli government in these negotiations.

[Padishah]

Hamas are a bunch of idiots. What they do clearly does not benefit them or the Palestinians at all. But they must be wary of any recognition talk,as that's how the PLO and Fatah were rendered irrelevant; being defanged by indirectly recognising their own plight.

I would offer recognition only after a comprehensive deal be worked out. Or similarly demand recognition for Palestine in exchange. Of course, these two options are unacceptable to the Israeli's.

And no; every single Ashkenazi settler filth must vacate the settlements that collectively use 75 percent of West Bank water. They will not continue to do so, not a snowballs chance in hell!

[gurey25]

snowballs chance indeed.

and sadly the arabs are too stupid to deal with this.

[Reuter]

Today as we were driving, and stopped in a traffic light- my attention suddely focused on the bumper sticker of a green camry car in front of us. It read-- ' No Justice, No Peace'. Then another bumper read--'Treasure Allahs needs before your own' and i immediately thought--'Somali'! Sure we came close to see the driver and sure it was a young ugly somali bantu look a like girl, with huge lips, huge mouth, large glasses but mashallah properly hijaabed.Her friend was an average somali girl with average looks. We just smiled. We actually waved. The first bumper basically says it all. Palestine want justice and Israel want peace. (peace of mind that is lol) That will never happen in that area, i thought in my head. The little message spoke VOLUME. Basically telling you out loud-- no justice, no peace. Our land back or we will continue to self suicide bomb, therefore no peace.Snd all i can think of was poor girl-- americans must stare at her rudely and routinely.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Reuter
There's a flip side to that coin: No peace, no Justice. Think about it.

Padishah
You and I are in violent agreement.

For the record, I think the Israeli insistence on maintaining a "Jewish State" is as much bullshit as any focking raghead who claims he has to maintain a "Muslim State". Religion has no place in the public domaine, and when it is the driver of policy, that is just flat out bad. Always. More blood has been spilled by more cocksuckers in the name of religion than for any other reason. If you're going to kill, at least do it for a good reason, like greed. I can respect that more. At least it's honest.

[musika man]

^^^

abgal boi, you hate muslims and admire israel. did you convert to zionism?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Musika
You can read right????? Re-read what I wrote knucklehead.