Ayaan is right

[HaileyBailey]

Ayaan makes sense. It appears that the Muslims are by far the most dangerous group in the world. Muslims seem to be a threat to everything that is founded on human rights and dignity. Why is it that in Islam it is acceptable for one to marry a child of 9? Why is it ok, for a man to beat his wife, as it states in the Qur’an? Aren't both men and women equal? Why is it only the Muslims that cannot take criticism? Why do they resort to beheadings? There is something wrong here, the interesting part will be when I post this thread and many of you will call me names, and wish me death. If a non Muslim mocks the faith, why do you all burn embassies, or stone people? Shouldn’t he be left to god's judgement?

[michael_ital]

Istaqifurilaah, not this same old drivel again ? WHERE in the Qu'raan does it say it's "permissable to marry a child of nine" ? And DON'T come with the same old line "Well the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) did it". Come with something a little more concrete.

[Homer Simpso]

Hailey.. balaayo ku aragtag.. waryaahe Illaah baad kafurataye halkaa naga istaag.. abeeso haku cuntee

[HaileyBailey]

I did not say that the Qur'an states that it is permissable to merry a child of 9. when it comes to the marriage of child of 9 it is through the following of the hadith. the Hadith is also part of the Islmamic faith. Consequently, the actions of the prophet hold as an example to all the muslms. THus, if you don't agree with the marriage of a 9 year old then you don't agree with the prophet actions.

However, what I said is that it is written in the Qur'an that a man can beat his wife. Excuse me! How can this be condoned? Are women animals that one must domesticate or slaves?

[michael_ital]

[HaileyBailey]

No answer huh, I thought so.

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

Go Mike Go Mike!!

[Warsame101]

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[michael_ital]

[quote="HaileyBailey"]No answer huh, I thought so.[/quote]

Nope. It's just that so many like you have been dissed and dismissed so often that it's no longer fun. Just annoying. : )

[*Arabman]

>Why is it that in Islam it is acceptable for one to marry a child of 9?

A. Islam allows marrying a girl of 9, provided she has reached menstruation, physically ready for consummation and mentally satisfactorily mature. Marrying a girl of 9 isn't a common practice among Muslims, non-Muslims practice it far more than Muslims, therefore it's not how civilized people hype it to be.

>Why is it ok, for a man to beat his wife, as it states in the Qur’an?

A. There are instructions and restrictions to beating one's wife. If you follow the instructions and meet the restrictions, then it should be beneficial.

>Aren't both men and women equal?

A. No. A man cannot get pregnant, therefore is unequal to a woman. Women are more emotional, while men aren't, therefore unequal. Men are physically stronger than women, therefore unequal. Men are natural leaders, while women aren't, therefore unequal. Etcetera.

>Why is it only the Muslims that cannot take criticism?

A. Because Muslims cannot change Islam. Islam is protected by Allah. Taking criticism means changing Islam, but it's impossible for Muslims to change it.

>Why do they resort to beheadings?

A. Beheading is a form of execution. It makes no difference whether you're put to death by lethal injection, hanging, gas poisoning, firing squad, etc. At the end of the day, you die. Beheading was quite normal for those (hint; guillotine) who criticize it today; they might even adopt it again in the future.

[HaileyBailey]

" Women are more emotional, while men aren't, therefore unequal. Men are physically stronger than women, therefore unequal. Men are natural leaders, while women aren't, therefore unequal. Etcetera."

-Emotion is a human characteristic found in both men and women. Hence, Irrationality is not exclusive to women. I sense sexist attidue from you.
- Men are not always phisically stronger, agian generalization.
-Generalization

That said, are you saying that women are not equal human beingst to men, that women do not deserve the same freedoms and rights as men? Are they less of a human being when a man is allowed to beat his wife?

[gedo_gurl]

I think (not sure) he meant to say that men and women are DIFFERENT, not unequal as we are all judged the same by Allah (swt) on the day of judgement. We are, as a sex, given special tribulations, however, for the deeds of men and women and the tribulations attributed to each...are to reach equilibrium (the optimal point where we are all able to get fairly judged)....we must all have the same weight of tribulation...regardless of WHAT they are. I.e.....all the 'special'/different duties/demands etc....all weight the same in the end, therefore, we are not unequal, different.

[HaileyBailey]

[quote="gedo_gurl"]I think (not sure) he meant to say that men and women are DIFFERENT, not unequal as we are all judged the same by Allah (swt) on the day of judgement. We are, as a sex, given special tribulations, however, for the deeds of men and women and the tribulations attributed to each...are to reach equilibrium (the optimal point where we are all able to get fairly judged)....we must all have the same weight of tribulation...regardless of WHAT they are. I.e.....all the 'special'/different duties/demands etc....all weight the same in the end, therefore, we are not unequal, different.[/quote]

GG, and that is your opinion whith which I agree. However, when it comes to the Islamic scriptures it states differently. A Man can beat his wife, because she is unequal to him and she must submit
to his will. Arabman hold Islamic thought in mind when he says unequal.

[*Arabman]

>That said, are you saying that women are not equal human beingst to men, that women do not deserve the same freedoms and rights as men?

A. With regard to faith & deeds, women are equal to men. About deserving the same freedoms and rights as men; do women deserve the freedom or right of marrying 4 men? The question isn't whether they deserve; it's whether that freedom or right is suitable for them. A man is by nature polygamous. Instead of sinning with multiple women, Islam allows a man to marry upto 4 women, provided he follows the instructions and meets the restrictions.


>Are they less of a human being when a man is allowed to beat his wife?

A husband's function differs from that of his wife. A husband is the head of the house. Islam teaches a wife to obey (within the norms and teachings of Islam) her husband. Islam gives a husband the right to beat his wife, provided he follows the instructions and meets the restrictions. Beating a wife doesn't occur out of no reason; Islam allows a husband to use it for the benefit of the family.

[FAH1223]

MEN AND WOMEN ARE EQUAL

BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME

Following are some rights, which Muslim women have!

1. The RIGHT and duty to acquire education.

2. The RIGHT to have her own independent property.

3. The RIGHT to work [job or business] to earn money, which she keeps it.

4. The RIGHT to equal reward for equal deed and/or work.

5. The RIGHT to express her opinion.

6. The RIGHT to argue and/or advocate her cause or opinion to be heard.

7. The RIGHT to vote since 1,428 years.

8. The RIGHT to provisions from her husband for all her needs and more.

9. The RIGHT to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.

10.The RIGHT to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply don't like him. In Islaam divorce is suppose to be last resort.

11.The RIGHT to keep all her own money. [She is not responsible for maintenance of family].

12.The RIGHT to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.

13.The RIGHT to get custody of her children in case of divorce [unless she is unable to raise them for valid reasons]

14.The RIGHT to choose husband of her choice.

15.The RIGHT to refuse a proposed and/or arranged marriage.

16. The RIGHT to re-marry after divorce or after becoming widow.

EXEMPTIONS GIVEN TO WOMEN IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCE.

Women are exempt from:

a.. Fasting when they are pregnant or nursing or menstruating,
b.. Praying when menstruating or bleeding after childbirth,
c.. The obligation to attend congregational prayers in the mosque on Fridays.
d.. They are not obliged to take part as soldiers in the defense of Islam, although they are not forbidden to do so.
But under normal circumstances they are allowed to do all the things that men do.

- Even when they are menstruating, on special days, like the two Eid festivals, they are still allowed to come to the Eid prayers, and menstruating women can take part in most of the actions of the Hajj pilgrimage.

Islamic laws does not requires that women should confine themselves to household duties.

Muslim women have [and are as well] headed Islamic provinces [and states as well], like Arwa bint Ahmad, who served as governor of Yemen under the Fatimid Khalifahs in the late fifth and early sixth century.

Name any other religion, political theory, or philosophy which offers such a comprehensiveness to women by giving her total control of her life and affairs ??? NONE

BUT DO MUTHAPHUCKAS PRACTICE IT today? NO!! MUSLIMS HAVE GONE BACKWARDS SINCE THE LAST DAYS OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE.

YOU DON'T JUDGE A FAITH ON ITS FOLLOWERS. YOU LEARN THE FAITH YOURSELF WITHOUT ANY BIAS AND SEE WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. READ THE QUR'AN YOURSELF.