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"Yohanis" Why Somalia couldn't get better after Siyad Barre?

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Yohanis

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For almost a decade now somalia has been without central government and the whole country is ruled by thugs and wardlords. Many innocent people lost their lives and many properties has been lost in that period. Those rebels [USC, SNM, and many others] who kicked siyad barre out of the country, obviously, didn't know the task they will be facing when they overthrow the government. And they didn't inticipate the weight and the resposibilties of becoming the authority of the nation. despite many attempt by the U.N to make peace between the war lords, somalia remained the same. killing, looting, rape, and many other things are the daily norms. Somalians proved to the world that they're "natural born gorilla fighters" and those wardlords seem to have enjoying the "blood" of their fellow somalis. what a shame!!!!!.
If they didn't know how to govern......why did they bother trying it, in the first place? And before they start of becoming the rebels, didn't they need to study the consequences of trying to overthrow a government?. We're heading the 21 century of being the worst nation on this planet earth. And for the warlords and thugs including Cigaal,[so, called somaliland president]....shame on you!!!!!! shame on you!!!!!!!!.
For those somalis who lost their lives in the hands of the those warlords, please forgive us of being late when you needed us the most.................so long. salute.

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namelss

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yohanis

aboowa there might not be a government but baby do we have major businesses booming in somalia.
a friend of mine that works for hawilada in toronto once told that at least 70 thousand canadian dollars are send to somalia all most every day. most of the houses in jalkacyo and other cities have phones installed in their homes, and some even have the net and t.v. sets in their homes. so stop trying to make somalia sound like a dead country bro and get with the grove.

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Anonymous

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Yohanis,the real somalian, I did agree your thoughts. But I what like to add here is to response to the person who stated that Somalia is not that bad. Having TVs,telephones,Net, is not a big deal here, what matters here is moral issuse because some part of our country is still having Gorilla fighting,hit & run,. Some of our people are still starving and have no shelters.
Mr. nameless if you are a real Somalian you should have been thinking the overall picture of somalia but not only a specific city or region that might have or about to have unsettled tiny portion of peace. I think we (somalian) all have gained enough experience for the past 9 years. We all marched the path of "Qabyaaladda" for the past 9 years and what we saw was only destruction. Thus; if we are human being, we will learn from our mistakes and look a bright future for our mother land "Somalia" God help us.... I Love my country...I missed a lot

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Yohanis

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Mr/Mrs Nameless

its obvious that you lack the feeling of our people when you'd mentioned a city called Galkacayo and it's unfounded TV watching people. to be honest with you, the city of Galkacayo is not one of the important cities of our great nation [somali]. galkacayo have the lowest population ratio in our nation comparing the cities like, Mogadishu, Hargeysa, Baidhoba, Beledweyn, Burco, Kismayo, Marka, and many other cities. According to the U.N. population report of somali [1998], Galkacayo has, 17,000 inhabitant while those above mentioned cities has, 100,000 or more. your arguments were full of emotions and need to be ignored. next time,try something different to make a very nicer argument. Salute.....

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Ahmad

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Yohanis,

WHAW! Galkacyo has LESS people than Marka??? I have been to Marka and its close city; shalaambood. BOTH, added, are not EVEN close people to Galkacyo. At least 60% of my own tribe live in Galkacyo. And there are two other major tribes whose most of people live there. AND, my own tribe that lives there ONLY are much more than 17, 000.

They may NOT live in the city...but they all live places where you can walk to!(Suburbs...)

ALSO, Galkacyo was one of the more known cities in Somalia.

I think Marka was ONE of the most beautiful places in our country---but population? Gimme a break.

I also liked the Markans...they were really nice and helpful people who were much wonderful than our other people. But, I say, and SAY again, they're not close to numbers to those who lived in Galkacyo(ESPECIALLY before th war!)

I don't know about TVs in Galkacyo. BUT, my uncle who runs a Pharmacy has a genenator and a CELL PHONE. He pays only equal $10.00 in Somali Shilings. AND, he's not even rich...but a poor man who just works for his daily bread. Who was so many times robbed that he hired his own private militans(with jaad/sigaar...etc, NO DOUBT!hahah!)

Same with Mogadishu...Bosaaso...Kismaayo. They're all now in the tech world. Nameless is right, businesses do BOOM in our country.

And, the NORTH(waqooyi)---ah, they're even walking on higher grounds...where they make their own money, currency, import cars and goods of all kind, businesses like there is no tomorow, etc. Ooooh, you go, PEOPLE! I call that people who know what they want.

Somalia has been through the worst destruction in history, but I truly believe Somalis are growing through all this. NEXT time around, we'll be more appreciative of our world...and will take control and know what is/not good for us. You grow through hardship...and learn the ways of different kinds. There is a positive thing in everything...lets stick with that, shall we? It is better that way! :)


Peace, Ahmad!

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Mr Wise

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To Yohanis
You accuse others that their arguments are full of emotions while it is more obvious that your are the one who is blinded by emotions that you miss simple facts in your arguments. You say that Galkacyo is not important, I wonder the critrea you used to say so.
And please do not quote us United Nations fake reports to us, as I can assure you UN do not know what Galkacyo is like let a lone saying the number of its inhabitants. You quote 17,000 as the inhabitants in galkacyo? Tell me when was the last census carried out in Somalia.
Well I will tell you that first the UN do exist in pen and paper and their statement are largely geared towards their own interests!
By the way somebody was accusing you of not being a Somali, it might be true whan you compared Burco and marka to Galkacyo!

you say
"despite many attempt by the U.N to make peace between the war lords, somalia remained the same. killing, looting, rape, and many other things are the daily norms. Somalians proved to the world that they're "natural born gorilla fighters" and those wardlords seem to have enjoying the "blood" of their fellow somalis. what a shame"

Are you trying to sell us the IDEA that the UN was genuine with the Somali reconciliation? Was it not the UN which was killing, looting, raping Somalis? Are you also saying that Somalia under SIAD BARE (Allah haunaxariste) was better? Aren't you singing the tune of the enemies of Somalia by painting all somali leaders as warlords and that they enjoy "the blood of Somalis"?!!


One thing that can be positively identified with the current Somali status is that all Somalis are equal and have freedom to do what they want with their country! If they want to build or do business they are free to do so. And Insha Allah, Somalia will prosper considering that Somalis are Muslims and God fearing.

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Caraweelo

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Yohanis,
see somalia's problem...mention a specific area and watch the sparks fly- positive or negative- sparks no less. (hey folks I have nothing against Galkacyo and personally I know more than 17,000 we call me on a daily basis!!! :-) )
But going back to your original message....you are right there is no country. What does it matter that a few have businesses and some access to the net/cell phone. That various regions have rebuild their areas and civil reign and sefety restored. The bottomline is that there once was a nation and now there are city/tribal states-
We, collectively (if not you specifically then your family- extended family), have entered the 21 century without a country- dispersed among the lands of others- living with their generousity and handouts.
That is the bottomline for a nation that once was. I miss it too.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Caraweelo + Mr. Wise = :)


*.|.*


Ramadam Kareem wa Eidul Mubarak!

Peace, Ahmad!

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Mr wise

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Ahmad yahudy stop making faces that are meaningless!

Carewelo, the nationality of the person you are addresing is suspect. You are misled if you think that Somalis have entered the 21st century without a country because our country whether you like it or not still exist and is called SOMALIA.
A country does not disappear from the face of the earth because of lack of government! If you follow that UN hype about Somalia being in total anarchy then it is time you went back and see your country in real life!

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Sicid

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I must say Yahonis i totally agree with you on this. Just having cell phones and Pagers don't mean anything when vast majority of our people live below poverty line. It's fact that small minority of Somalis enjoy what some of you called it "Economic boom" while rest of Somalis go hungry every night. Ladies and Gentlemen we as Somalis are definetely worse off than ever before. Look at any indicator of how society should be and measured. Are we better off as whole since Ina Siyad barre left gov't?. No, but minority of somalis have benefited the death of our great nation. Thugs and self declared warlords did not have any plans to govern whatsoever. Have ever seen any nation where run by thugs or self appointed warlords?. Absolutely not. It's easy to overthrow any gov't, but the question is can you govern?. Ladies and gentelemen, the argument here isn't whether one of city of Somalia has telephone systems or not, but can that city provide its citizens the basic needs. Just asked next Somali you see why he or she sends money back home?. Very simple, she or he has no choice, but to feed those families. Why?. There are no jobs and legitimate gov't. Isn't it crazy to suggest that Somalia is experiencing economic boom?. Statehood isn't what going to take Somalia into 21st century, but Somalia as nation. How can we make that happen?. I don't know. To conclude my argument, Somalia is definetely worse off than since days of Ina Siyad.God bless you all.

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Caraweelo

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to ahmed- huh?????
to Mr Wise; I don't need the UN or anyone to tell me what is wrong back home. I don't have a country....and honestly speaking Yohanis's nationality is not the concern in this forums. He says he is somali and that is good enough for me.
The reason I say we do not have a country is simple.
1. are somalis refugees all around the world?
2. Can we fly into somalia, and travel to any part of the country?
3. can we return to the homes we built and lived in for generations?
For me the answers are No, NO and NO.
So my brother, enclaves of peace may exist in what was somalia- but we have no NATION OF SOMALIA- What was it called: The Democratic Republic of Somalia- Jamhuuriyada Demoqaraadiga ee Somaliyeed.
Be it good or bad- problematic or not- Is today- No more.

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AnonBig

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Caraweelo, I can fly DIRECTLY to DHUUSAMAREEB! Something impossible before, when there was a government!! Likewise YOU should be able to fly DIRECTLy to BALIBUSLE......lol

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Sicid

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Dear Anonbig,

So what you can fly to Dhuusomareeb?. Somalia is by far worse off than before. That's fact most ppl can't deny. Eid Mubarak...

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Ali

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AnonBig:

For your info, Dhusamareb has been deserted for a long long time. Try to find your siblings in the capital or somalia's basket region such as Qoryooley, Marka and Afgoi. Not one single Airline company goes to that deserted city. Here's how you can get to dhusamareb:
Through Mogadishu - Take a bus and many battle wagons from Mugadishu to Afgoi, then go straight to the Ethopian border. After that come to dhusamareb from Wthopia's border. Many lives have been lost when they tried to go through Jowhar/Baladweyn route.
Galkacyo - Very short distance but can be cut off any time the region becomes a battle zone.
Adis-Ababa - Some people come to dhusamareb from Adis.

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Yohanis

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You all seemed to have missed the point of my argument except, of course, Sicid.


all i can say to you is don't make it personal issue.............and don't tell us what type of tribe you belong. its better if you keep that to yourself.

to repeat what my point of argument was, somali is run by warlords and thugs who're stealing the properties and the lives of those who're poor and defenceless. by the way, Galkacayo, was and still will remain those cities that aren't important to our country, interms of economically, socially, and educationly. salute

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MO

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Asalamu alekum To all:
If my memory serves me right, I met Yohanis in a chat room where he started a clan war and when I asked others not to talk to him, he accused me of being close to Aidid. He misled some emotional people who started to insult me.

This brother while enjoying what he has done to me, sent me a private message "Don't mess with me you fucking somali. I can play with your little fucking minds anyway I want. He told me that he is from ethopia although he grew up in Somalia". He said we •••• somalis day and night. I remember him saying look at that rooms and see how easy I can play with your little minds.

By the way, Mr. Yohanis, remember me "MO" You could play with our minds but the biggest mistake you made was to talk to me in private that day!

MO - your worst nightmare mr. Amxaar.

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Jaale

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Yohanis su'aasha aad dadka weeydiisay oo ah maxaa ilaa & hada soomaaliya dowlad uga dhismi la'dahay? Jawaabtu waa simple !.

Soomaaliya waxa maanta haysta waa inkaartii Siyad Barre (Raximuhullah). Waxa maanta socdana waxaa weeye ereygii ugu danbeeyey ee uu yiri " soomaaliya ha is raacdo diidaye ha is raamsatee daa...". Xadiisyo badan ayaa ku soo arooray in duulkii ku caasiya ama ku kaca amiiradooda ama madaxdooda in ay ka dhaxli doonaan qilaaf & dagaal aan dhamaanayn - taasina waa tan maanta nahaysata.

Marka soomaaliyeey horay baa loo yiri " Falaar gil-gilasho kaaga ma hartee - kadabaasha baxarka adinkaa dalbadee".

Ciid mubarak.

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Bashir Abdi.

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Brothrs/sisters.

Don't let yohanis fool you. Whatever he is, he is jewish ethiopian. I don't care if he declares he is muslim thousand times.

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Anonymous

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brothers and sisters dont listen to Jaale guulwade. He is one of those who destroyed Somalia my beloved country.Amiirka u sheegayo waa
kii dadkiisi- maatada iyo caruurta diyaradaha, madfaca ku eryaday ila dalalka shisheeyaha. Kuwa maanta talinayana isaga tababaray.Somalia is reaping the legacy of Afwyneh( I cannot say ilahay ha u naxaristo). Question is how can we clean the country of those trained by afweyne?


Eid Mubarak

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!


AnnonBig,

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! For once in your life...you made me laugh! IF you can fly to dhuuso-mareeb, truly I can fly to literally any place in somali, correct? Next time I visit either Caabud-waaq or Gol-dogob...or bandar-bayla, I will remember that Dhuuso-mareeb can be flown to, also! Darn good, when you can fly to these places---who needs a government?(all you need...is couple hundred dollars that will help you MISS them *jiri* on the way...)


OUT,


Eid Mubarak to all Muslims!

Peace, Ahmad!

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Yohanis

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To Mo:
[walaahi] i don't remember chatting with a person like you.
i never talk about the tribal thing that many somalis enjoys to play with but i'd loved to tease the supporters of those who killed many innocent somalis Like Aidiid and Siyad Barre or any other warlord. having say that,if you in anyway,support any man who enjoyed the killing of his fellow somalis like Aidiid, you'll find yourself regreting that support. Because many of those killers [Aidiid, Siyaad barre, Mahamed cabdulle hassan]are in the hands of God and their victims are enjoying the judgement of God.remember God is [qafuru raxiim and shadiidu ciqaab, at the same time]. General Aidiid had had the opportunity to safe many lives but rather chose to killed them.General Aidiid died of a gun shot wound. He also tested, like many of his victims, the pain and suffering caused by a bullet. i'd loved to see him to go through that same path that his victims did.
Salute................

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cde

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yohanis

I hate to see low life hypocrites who would like to cross-dress as someone who cares about Somalia only to show their true colour within no time. The term Somalia applies to all parts of that east African country not necessarily one particular part. Your supposed dislike of warlords and their supporters is obviously untrue. You are singing from the same hymn sheet as them. If you care about Somalia as you would like to claim you would have considered all parts of Somalia important. Why do you get upset if someone simply said his/her hometown is doing well contrary to what you may believe?

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Shak

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Yahanis
If you think you care about human life then please do us a favour and go help your amharic country which needs more help than you think.

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Shak

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Idd mubarak to all

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Jaale

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To. Anonymous

Adiga horta marka hore magac la bax, magac laawe yahow !. Hadii runta la sheegona qaraar joojin maysid. Ninkii isku barbardhiga xaalada maanta wadanka ka taagan & tii ka taagnaan jirtay markuu marxuum Siyad Barre katalin jirtay wadanka isku mid ma aha - qofkii dhahana waagaas ayaa la qaatay waxaa la dhihi waa xisbigii Siyad.

Dhoore yahow ma dhagaysatay gabaygii uu "Bacadle" tiriyey " ...War duqii doona ducana ugu dara" haye isagana Siyad buu la xisbi ahaa miyaa - xitaa wuxuu udhashay qabiil kale.

Sidoo kale Cali Mahdi muxuu yiri " Aloow maxaad noogu digi weeysay- hadaan ogaan lahayn in dhibaatadu heerkaan gaarayso kacdoonba maan samaynayneen".

Marax mar danbe waqtigeeyga kugu lumin maayo, saa wax lagaa dheefayo malahee - no more comments-

Eid Mubaarak iqwatul Islaaaam

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AnonBig

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To Ahmad-Yahuudy:

Yes. The point I was making was this; SINCE Somalis are ABSOLUTELY unwilling to compromise politically, I say, let us enjoy the TOTAL freedom available! Apart from being able to fly DIRECTLY to the CITY of Dhusamareeb or the city of Gallinsoor, I like the fact that I don't have to pay TAX to anyone!

To Ali: Brother, it costs about $3000 to charter an 8 to ten seater aircraft from Nairobi to Dhusamareeb or Ballibusle and back. Now if you can organise A/C's full load ..........boy is EVERYTHING so so possible in Som......

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Chickenwing

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Somalia could not get better after Siad Barre because the regime of Siad Barre corrupted the fabric of Somalis. For the last ten years, each major Somali tribe elected or rather selected a deserving/undeserving leader to represent them and consequently the whole nation. So far it did not materialize, mainly because there are too many warlords aiming to occupy one position namely the presidency. What complicates matters is that these ungodly/unpatriotic warlords do not know how to negotiate and resolve their differences amicably. I am afraid these differences are not even based on ideology. It is just either "I will rule or no deal". I am not singling out any warlord, for each one of them is guilty of this.

When leaders of other nations have tried to mediate among these (shall we say) uneducated warlords, their diplomacy or assistance was not welcomed but rather considered at best a suspicious interference.

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Xaali

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Ditto Chickenwing. Our core values have been corrupted over the years as a result of the corrupt leadership. When Somalia had a government, the kangroo courts did not do anything about the rampant corruption, the appropriation of private property, arbitrary inprisonment, looting of foreign aid for personal enrichment, nepotism and plain old robbery of the natural resources of Somalia. This has instilled a "get rich quick by any means necessary mentality". Honesty, public service, merit and hardwork became a sort of stigma that was associated with weakness. People have been socialised for 21 years that the easy way to attain wealth is to be in power. Hence, the current stalemate among the warlords. Each has the memory of 21 years of power and wealth as an aspiration.

Somalia needs an evolution in thinking for social transformation. We have to reassess our basic values and make a concerted effort on a mass scale to instill good citzenship for a postive civic engagement. The challenge is, raising the awareness of all to the need for reassessing our core values. As a friend of mine recently pointed out, this commitment to reassess our values has to start at the individual level. Each of us has to stand for what is right, and refuse to legitimize all dishonest actions by anyone with out regard to their tribal affiliations.
Maybe we should draw out a bill of responsibilites that each Somali should abide by?
We owe it to our children to protect them from our mistakes.

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Gurta

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Habarwalba oo gaal/gaala oo meeshan u yimaado inuu isku dir-diro soomalida & inuu ka fasahadiyo {diinta} ayaa ku soo batay halkan beryahan dambe, waayna kusoo badan doonaan.

EE IS JIRA.

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AnonBig

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Dear Yohanis:

While talking to MO you said [but i'd loved to tease the supporters of those who killed many innocent somalis Like Aidiid and Siyad Barre or any other warlord] AND [General Aidiid died of a gun shot wound. He also tested, like many of his victims, the pain and suffering caused by a bullet. i'd loved to see him to go through that same path that his victims did.]

Brother to say that I am disappointed with your observations is the greatest understatement! It pains me to ask you why? What causes you to ‘LOVE’ to tease supporters of ‘those who kill innocent Somalis’ like………any ‘warlord’? Have you undergone a personal ordeal under the ‘hands’ any ‘warlord’? Have you witnessed ‘an innocent Somali’ being killed by a ‘warlord’? Do you have a first hand account of any person who has suffered the ‘pains and suffering caused by a bullet’? Brother, do you have proof of any crime perpetrated by a ‘warlord’? ‘Any warlord’? According to you, is there any ‘warlord’ whom you also LOVE to praise for having not killed and committed a crime?

Brother the title of this topic is ‘Why Somalis couldn’t get better after Barre’, right? Am I wrong to say that nowhere in all your posts do you answer the title question? All you achieve is much drivel upon more drivel! Someone doesn’t have to stretch his intelligence to see that you have an ulterior motive, some wicked interest! I have read keenly your exchanges with MO and Bashir Abdi, and I must admit, I believe their assertion that YOU ARE NOT SOMALI. Truly you sound like someone out to drive dangerous wedges amongst the Somali visitors to this forums, by aligning yourself to our contrasting tribalistic biases and playing them against each other.

As someone else has said why don’t you articulate about the problems Ethiopia is having instead of wasting you Cyper-time meddling in affairs that DO NOT CONCERN any ETHIOPIAN.

By the way there are many Ethiopian forumss and chatrooms online where you can fool and beguile the unsuspecting!

Lastly, tell to whoever sent you to Somalinet that THEIR ‘PLAN’ WON’T BEAR A FRUIT!

Thanks.

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Wagax

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Gurta

What a good point !.

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Chickenwing

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Wagax I do not get Gurta's point, so please explain it to me since you seem to understand it so well. In my book Siad Barre was •••• and •••• happens! The only point Siad Barre's supporters can make is that, if any one of these warlords were better than Siad and his regime surely by year 2000 Somalia should have moved forward. Your point is well taken, but it does not console most somalis!

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Tasniim

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Chickenwing, for your information Wagax is dhooree. He never has any opinion. Just see his other postings. Waa jahiil computer helay. Gurta waa laba wajiile marna Xaaji iska dhiiga, marna dadka aflagaadeeya. Gabadhaha aan sidii uukhtii uu hadlina buu jecelahay inuu baabiyo. Waxaa moodaa in la yiri dadka camalkooda iyo niyadooda ilaali oo masuul ka noqo.

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Sicid

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To all of your concern citizens,

First of all, I could careless where you're from and what clan you belong. The topic here is Ina Siyad Barre regime. If Warlords are so supportive of their ppl, then Somalia wouldn't be in this mess. I know some of you want to put the blame on dead man, but fact is Somalia(Majority) is by far worse off since Ina Siyad left the power. Of Course, i have to admit that parts of Somalia are doing ok, but overall Somalia isn't doing well. Some ppl are confused with idea that just a plane can go to such a city or telephone systems might be better, but the fact is large of population of our can't afford or unable to take these aminities except few well to do families. As i have indicated on prevoius article, Majority of Somalis who do live outside Somalia are supporting ppl back home more than ever. Please let's focus on why Majority of Somalia is better off than these hungry power bloodsucking whether be my clan or yours. Ciid Mubarak to all of you and god bless you.Sicid....

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Chickenwing

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Siciid
You are right, I am one of those somalis whose family lived in Mogadishu during Siad Barre's regime. Today, some of us are refugees in Norh America, and Europe, while others have died in refugee camps. Ceydiid Sr., Ali Mahdi, and their gang misplaced my family and most other somali families from the capital. In my book they are criminals. Before anyone accuses me of tribalism, let me also admit that Morgan, Cabdullahi Yusuf, Jees, etc. are criminals, too.

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Sicid

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Dear Chickwing,

I have always believed that it's so easy to overthrow gov't, but really hard to govern. These warlords never had any agenda to govern, but to better themselves financially. Thousand of somalis were forced out of their homes in record numbers. More Somalis were forced to become homeless and refugees. Somalia had to be recued by other nations. That never happened under Ina Siyad barre's regimes. Many minorities like Reer Xamar families were raped and tortured since he left gov't. If so called these warlords are so genuine about their cause against Ina Siyad Barre, then how come they can't even agree on thing. Somalia as whole was definetely better off under his rule in way you look at it. Whether be Ethiopia invading our nation or each warlord controlling part Somalia or more Somalis being refugees else where or more Somalis going to bed hungry etc. Yes, Ina Siyad barre might not be the best guy you could ever meet, but far better than these blood sucking warlords of today. Salaam..

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Wagax

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To. Tasniim.

Do I know you ? we are not talking about the same world...You boy... you belong to the lov-class, fat head. I know when people are new in this site...They say what ever they have in theirs minds... Anyway wax kale lama calool buurnid - waxaa kaa buuxa cuqdad & xaar. Marka aniga maba garanoyo meesha aad igala qaaday...Muraayada ayaan sideeda kaaga dalacday. Howl yeelo dadka laiskama qabsadee.

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Wagax

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To Chickenwing

TOTALY agree ! We Somaliz used to blame by what's really are our foults. We used to leve our own houses with our grandfathers and grandmothers. A happiness life...What happen then ? It's "it's so easy to overthrow gov't, but really hard to govern" as my brother Sicid mentioned.

I was born and grew op in Mogadisho. I have never been outside of Mogadisho before the civilwar/ethnic cleansing.

During the Siyad Barre's goverment We all lived normal in spite of everything...Soomaali ayaa horay utiri gaalka dil gartiisana sii - marka soomaaliyeey inta ilaahay laga baqo yaan xaqiiqda laga leexan.

To Sicid.

Well done.

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Sihaam

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The reason why we can't establish any kind of order in that hell-hole is because there are no real plans to establish a legitimate government. Siyaad Barre's regime was the only government that had realistic goals for Somalia. We are an extremely poor nation and the socialist based government of the XHKS provided tools for growth, on the national level and on the grass-roots level. There was a real sense of identity and nationalism that is non-existent today. People move along tribal lines now and have no sense of unity anymore. It's really a shame.

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Caafi

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Wagax, chickenwingss & sihaam

Can you spare us the emotional out-burst and your diabolically shortsighted believes. FYI Siyad was nothing but jerk. You totally lack any form of understanding of the subject in question. I would advice you lot to zip it, till you are mature enough to discuss things rationally.

You problem is you can hardly distinguish between Mogadishu and Somalia. Just because good old Mogadishu was merely functioning under that regime you reckon Somalia was fine. That is sad. Let me tell you things were much worse under that regime than they are today.

Haven't you heard some cities were level to the ground under that regime. Not to mentioned the fate of those who lived in them. Thanks god no warlord has that power today. So do us a favour next time you have the obscure yearning to tell us "how things were better under Siyad for you and your families" remember not everyone was in the same boat. And for those of you who are still sour about the lose of their little brick houses in good old Mogadishu. I reckon they fall to the right hands since most of them were built with money stolen from national treasury. So rightly or wrongly those properties are back with their rightful owners (the masses of Mogadishu).

Now I personally don't condone anything that happened in Somalia after Siyad but I guess some form of lesson were learnt from all the mayhem. Especially for those who lived in places like "BOOLI QARAN" with the believe that their ill-gotten properties would be theirs forever.

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Sicid

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Libax,

Please do us favor and go seek help. Your bigoted views only reflect what most Somalis suffer which blame other for their shortcomings.

Caafi,

Sir, with all due respect, no one here is saying the guy was an angel, but fact remains that Somalia as whole was better off under his rule than say Warlords of today. as you have said some ppl might have benefited his rule, but overall Somalia was more stable with the exception of Hargiesa for last years of his rule. The thing is your article showed you're against certain members of Somalis and that's not something we need to be discussing. I could careless whether punch of families who have lived "Booli Qaran" are crying or not, but rather all Somalis who have suffered since he left. An Example would be Reer Xamar or Rahanwayn or Darood or even ••••••. Sir, is not just Mogadishu that got destroyed,but whole nation died. That's not something did not happened under his rule whether you have certain vendeta against members of his family. I don't think his army went to Rahanwayn land and masscared them or raped reer Xamar girls or Indian minorities or any other minority in Somalia. Unless you can prove that Somalia "as whole" wasn't better than thugs of today, then i advice you to rest your case. God bless you...

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Management

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One article has been deleted from this thread due to insults towards a particular tribe.
Somalinet does not tolerate tribal insults and the like.
We urge the users of the forums to practice sound judgement and adhere to the guidelines in thier debate of issues.
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Chickenwing

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Caafi

Before you chew my chickenwing off, please read my comments on Sunday and Monday, January 9th and 10th respectively. I never said Siad Barre was good. Actually, I agree with you Siad Barre is by far one of the worst leaders that Somalia ever had, and the aftermath of his tyranny and cruelty is what is ailing Somalia today.

In my later comments, I just stated an important personal fact: members of my family lived relatively in peace in Mogadishu. Was my family involved in politics? No. Did they like Siad Barre's regime? No. They were merely innocent civilians minding their business and living their lives. Is it wrong to state a simple fact, although minuscule in the scheme of where Somalia is today? I think not. I lost two brothers and an aunt in a refugee camp in Kenya. My brothers and aunt would have never left Somalia if it were not for the warlords Ceydiid Sr. and Ali Mahdi. If you tell me you don't care about my family, I just want you to know that a nation is made up of societies, and societis are made up of families. Families very similar to yours and mine. If you don't see it that way, what can I say? Except I will pray to the good Lord to make you a more compassionate individual.

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Axmedkheyr

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Soomaaleey Yohanis waa Amxaar wuuna cadaystay ee ka foojignaada!

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Wagax

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To. Caafi.

Ugu horayntii magaca caafi yaa kuu baxshay ?. Aniga koleey nin caafimaad qaba uma jeedo.

I take exception to your aggressor pronouncement.
Mr. Caafi wrote following:

"And for those of you who are still sour about the lose of their little brick houses in good old Mogadishu. I reckon they fall to the right hands since most of them were built with money stolen from national treasury. So rightly or wrongly those properties are back with their rightful owners (the masses of Mogadishu).". it's COMPLETELY wrong.

I can't se why some of the viewers tryed to explain you how bad Siyad Barre's rule was, coz you wouldn't let them expain you.

You showed us who and what you stand for, but let me tell you one thing. You will never get away with all those belongings and properties you stolen from Private people and public. I promis that they will fall back to the right people again.

In my view Siyad was 10.000 times better than these bandits or warlords. No body heard a 80 years old grandmother get Raped during Siyad barre's rule. Some of you may think that I am Siyad's supporter...but WHO cares !.

For me no more comments for ya. Allaha ku caafiyo

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Sihaam

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Caafi --
Do you seriously believe that things are better off in Somalia now then during the Siyaad Barre Regime? Do people have access to decent shelter now? Is there any established order now? Is Somalia considered a sovereign state? As for leveling cities to the ground, yes I agree that was a very brutal tactic. But remember, the people in Hargeisa who incited that war weren't exactly innocent bystanders. They were armed men who held innocent people captive.

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CARAWEELO

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I never thought the day would come when Siyaad would be remembered fondly! But it has and he was a million times better than the garbage that followed.
Let a government be over-thrown, that is ACCEPTABLE. But butchering of innocent people, causing MASS exodus is NOT.
By the way, if life in Somalia is so great, then WHY ARE YOU HERE! WHY ARE YOU A POLITICAL ASYLEE?
You are here because you can not live back home. Period.

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Caafi

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Sicid, chickenwings & Sihaam


Let me applaud you guys for the maturity you showed in responding to my little trespassing into your conversion. Sadly the same cannot be said about Wagax's response. As he translated things along tribal lines which was not the intention.

In my book Siyaad Barre was master orchestrator of Somalia's misfortune and should be recognised as such.
Now when I said Siyad barre I don't mean his family or clan, just him as a person and those who collaborated with him no matter what clan they belong to. I guess you guys don't necessarily disagree with me upto this point.

Almost half of my generation if not more (whom I reckon make up the majority of the visitors in this forums) were either born or brought up in Mogadishu. That doesn't mean we should ignore what happened in the rest of the country during Siyad's reign of terror and consider Somali's mayhem begun only when Siyad was thrown out of Mogadishu.
Obviously the scale of the disaster was much worse at this stage but no way was it the Beginning. Women were raped, men were slaughtered and towns were destroyed while some of us here today were still in their nappies.

The reason I said things are much better in Somalia today is because men who were doing these evil things those days were in national uniform. They were getting paid for it with our tax contribution and we had no say in what they were doing. Today's clan militia and the renegade warlords who head them have no power over any of us to fund their murderous plans. Neither the power to systemically destroy whole parts of that country. They are only bunch of loosers who bark around filthy stuff. Obviously they are causing havoc in some parts but people are beginning to understand for what they are. Unlike Siyad barre they are not recognised as a head of state. Internationally they are known for what they are (criminals) and I hope one day they will be accounted for their crimes.

I am sorry to learn that some of you lost immediate family member. I cannot say I wasn't visited by similar misfortunes nor can any other Somali. but I really get pissed when I see you guys giving some credit to the people who were behind your hardship. All I am saying is recognise them( man like ina siyad) for what they are.

Don't be like those diabolical previous generation who accepted murders as heroes just because they composed few lines of poem which accidentally coincided with their present view.

As for my comments about the "little brick house" I said that cus I learnt through the years people who go around preaching how things were better under Siyad are mostly those who benefited from it.
I once met a middle aged guy who considered himself a victim just because he lost couple of private cars and villa, which he owned in Mogadishu. When I inquired few minutes later what he used do back home it turned out he was merely a civil servant and head of government department. Now we can fairly imagine what sort of salary scale he was on. So how did he manage to acquire two private cars and villa when even siyad barre's salary wasn't enough for such luxury? I guess it was fair if another moron took it away from him since he looted it from the nation in the first place.

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cajabo

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Salaamu calaykum!

I have read the many responses from my fellow sisters and brothers and I agree with many who have really taken upon themselves to find a middle ground. However, I have refused to voice an opinion on the subject because first of all I don't know what ulterior motives Yohanis has when choosing such inflammatory topics. Second of all, no matter which way I answer, there will always be someone who might take my comments as a veiled or unveiled attack on their clan.
I pray Allah that we can all come together one day without judging each other solely on the precept that we belong to this or that clan. We are a nation that has tremendously suffered and we all lost loved ones whether under Barre's rule and/or during the Civil War. May Allah forgive the sins of all those who died under the hands of tyrants. May Allah bring us closer. May Allah bless us all. Aamin.
I believe it is time we really stopped blaming each other and tried to find solutions together. That is why I think such topics are of no use.

Your humble sister's opinion

Peace

To Yohanis:

Could you please educate us on the rule of Mengistu and your emperor Haile Selassie? And while you are at it, could you give us facts on the systematic massacre of Eritreans by the Ethiopians? We all know the effects of Barre's regime but would love to be enlightened on the actual political developments in your country after the fall of communism. Thank you!

As you say SALUTE!

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Sicid

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Dear Caraweelo,

I think you hit it right on head when you said"why are we here if things are better now?". That did it for me when Mr.Caafi says things are better now. Why on earth are you here Mr.Caafi and why 9 out of 10 Somalis either left the country for refugee camps or looking for way to get out of that hell or may be paradise according to you?. Mr.Caafi with all due to respect, no one here is defending Ina Siyad barre regime, but rather he and his regimes which consisted all clans were better for Somalis than Warlords of today. Please, Somalia as whole was better off under his rule. Are we denying some cities suffered under his rule?. Absolutely not and no one here is condoning those actions. Somalia has lost everything as nation and ppl of my generation will not get to see Somalia as nation. That's truly sad. You have said men in uniform with your taxes money have committed crimes against Somali ppl. Again, no one here is going to dispute that fact, but if compare what those men in uniform as you called them have done to Warlord's gangs have done, it's unbelievable. First,unless you have other agenda What happened in 1990, it was worst mass exodus in history of Somalia. More crimes against civilians were committed and more Somalis died as result of that. Sir, it's plain simple look at the any indicator of how nation should be and Somalia ranks the bottom all of those categories. Why?. It's our nature as Somalis to dislike or discredit someone 'cause he clan affilition and it's truly sad. I am not any way defending Ina Siyad Barre and his clan, but show rest of the World that more Somalis lived normal lives under his rule than say these gangs that you somehow want to legitimaze. Every clan in Somalia has suffered since he left one way or another. Mr.Caafi, shame on you by blindy denying the facts just 'cause of your hate of Ina Siyad would not allow to see things objectively. Finally, it's my pleasure to debate all of you and i hope we can agree to disagree in civil matter.

Sicid......Yale University..

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Lady

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Sicid...Yale university wow! muchos impressed is me! Congrats for making the grades to be accepted in an Ivy League school.


Lady...... University of Hard Knocks & Survival!

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Caafi

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Sicid

"Somalia as whole was better off under his rule."

I don't know what you have been drinking brother but you seemed to getting the wrong end of the argument. I am not on a mission here, to convince you that there is a paradise out there in Somalia. FYI if Somalia's mayhem started for you in the 1990s and only begun seeking refuge after that some of us were years into that episode so all I had to say to you and your likes is welcome on board brother..

What I can't comprehend is the fact that how you considered the suffering of other before you as acceptable just because things were fine at your end and by the same token you expect us to feel yours.! I would not be surprised if you are one of those who used to call people who lost everything "xabadi keentay" and blamed them for their misfortune.

Besides I can't understand your definition of Somalia and Somalis for that matter. In my book things are not better off if one section of the Somali people is killed, maimed and raped in the name of Somalia. I rate that worse then clans fighting over chunks of lands. Now remember this Sicid this peace you yearn for is not going to come about as one sister pointed out in previous post till everyone of us realises what went over the years was wrong and should be accepted as such instead saying things were better under such geezer etc. as a university student you should be the forefront of the sea of change.


Caano iyo nabad…

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Chickenwing

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Siyad Barre was deceitfully clever in applying the machiavellian concept of "divide and rule", and somalis inept or greedy to see beyond their selfish interest. We somalis carelessly watched injustice being committed against others. So today we somalis are where we deserve to be: refugees in foreign countries.

Today somalis would not be in this predicament, if we as a nation protested against Siyad Barre's regime whenever he singled out one tribe and/or one region and committed crimes against it. What have we done when he excuted Gabeyre, Dheel, and Ceynaanshe? Nothing, I actually heard people went to watch it like a soccer game! What have we done when Siyad's regime attacked Mudug? Nothing, actually I know people who thought the arrogant majertens deserved it. What have we done when Siyad's regime attacked the North? Again nothing, actually I know people who thought the ungrateful Idoors deserved it. Have we learned any thing from all these three experiences? No. Some people merely said history repeats itself, I say fools never learn from past experiences.

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Sicid

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To:Lady,

Thank You for kind words sister. To me at least there's not much difference between ivy league schools and others 'cause of my experience.
Mr.Caafi, I an not here to convice you or anyone else in this form, but rather state what i believe happened during Ina Siyad Barre Era and what happened afterward. Again, it's Somali ppl nature to ignore fact just 'cause and that's why Somalia will never be nation again. Can dispute the fact more Somalis became refugees from 1990 to present?. Can dispute fact more Somalis were attending schools than now?. Can dispute that more Somalis died after he left power whether they died of bullet or hunger?. Can dispute fact Somalia became playground for thugs or Warlords who's only agenda to kill innocent children and women?. Can dispute the fact that every tribe in Somalia has paid heavy price in last ten years?. Can dispute the fact more Somalis fled Somalia in last ten years than other time in Somalia's history?. Can dispute Somalia lost its identity in last ten years?. Sir, as i have indicated my earlier posting that, i am not defending Ina Siyad policies in city of Hargeisa and its sorroundings, but that's only portion of our land. From Central Somalia to all the way southern part country were literally distroyed. I mean 70 percent of the land our country my friend. That's tragedy and history will jugde this as THE WORST GENOCIDE IN THE HISTORY OF SOMALIA. I truly believe change starts at home and if each everyone of us does that, then Somalia will be better place to live. God bless you and happy late Eid....

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Chickenwing

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To continue on my last comment:

These present warlords were finally bashing against Siyad Barre's injustices, but unfortunately "Ushii munaafaq u sooctay, muumin ay ku dhacdaa." So let us move on beyond Siyad and the warlords and find a solution to our problem, shall we? Shall we go back home and rebuild Somalia? Or shall we continue living in these foreign countries, where the locals find somalis: people who talk english/european language with heavy accent, dress funny (diric in the middle of winter), and are intolerant of diversity.

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caafi

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Sicid


I don't like dwelling in the past and frankly speaking Somalia's political affair is my least favoured subject. I understand most variables in your argument will actually hold true values. Considering we glue ourselves to simple statistical figures without paying any attention to the underlying situation.

Sicid from what I gather from you argument you are bent on giving some credit to that old bloodsucker. Pardon me language but that actually shows how much I dislike man of his league. No matter what I tell you otherwise you are not prepared to acknowledge.

So I see no point in carrying on this discussion as it gets us no where. But I want you to know that general statistics have no meaning for those who suffered at hands of that regime and I am sure the dead ones will be turning in their graves in disappointment if they learn some healthy, fit Somali youngster in higher education was reported still singing praise for their tormentor.

I understand you are not the only one. Few months back while wondering the vastness of cyberspace I pumped into some guy's home page who was celebrating the 21 October for some reason. You can image how irritated man like me will feel, yet again ( waxaad adigu neceb tahay rag bay cadadooda tahay).

Chickenwings

I am glad we finally see things from the same angle. Things may be bad for the time being but who said they would never get better. Besides you got to remember " hadaad dhimaneyso dhareerkaa la iska duwaa" therefore no matter how bad things may go, you should never compromise the basic principle of knowing who put you in this mess in the first place.


soo nabad ahaada

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Sicid

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Mr.Chickenwings,

I totally agree that we shall move on and think about 21st Century.

Mr.Caafi, again you have shown your inability to dispute my facts, but rather you chose to tell us how much you hate Ina Siyad Barre. I personally don't care how much you hate the guy as long as you tell us why?. Is it Somali ppl ways hating soneone just 'cause he's another clan or so forth. And that's exactly how i see your logic of hating Ina Siyad. I would not mind if disputed his record, but you're not willing to do so. Why would you care what does anyone or does not in their free time whether be 21 October or hitler day?. It's totally their God given rights to do whatever they want to do as long as it's not harm to society. For example, i hate Abdillahi Yusuf or Aidiid not just cause of their clan affilitions, but rather killings of an uncles. That's legitimate reason in my opinion. Ppl in their respective regions made them heroes. Their picture are all over the net whether be Puntlandnet or else. Sir, with all due respect, i agree that you and i can't agree on this subject, so let's move on with ourlives. I've get to go check how my stocks are doing for day. God bless you all.......

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Yohanis

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laugh!!!
laugh!!!
laugh!!!
guys, you're making me laugh. keep up the debate something good may come out of it.
for the "surviving Lady" you're more funnier than the most. lol@@@@@@
and i liked your honesty. will you marry me? i'd like the hard working and honest women, like you.
by the way, i go the University of working and surviving people not an ivy league one like many of you had claimed to go. i'm laughing at myself.
Salute...........

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Lady

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Sicid, yesterday you informed us about the fact that you attend Yale University...today you are informing us that you are checking how your stocks are doing.....how is that information related to the subject at hand??
Are you insecure or you trying to impress?

By the way, any way you slice it Siyaad Barre was a criminal. No if, buts or ands about it. His legacy speaks for him.

no longer impressed.

Yo Yohanis amxaar, i like my own, but thanks for the offer.

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Sicid

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Ms. Lady,

What's wrong with me talking about my stocks or schools i have attended or are attending?. On my last comment, i have said " i have got to go check my stocks" and i don't see anything wrong with it. Simply a comment and you should look at it that way. It's truly Somali ppl nature to see things in negative ways all the time. I have no intention whatsoever to impress you guys. what makes you think i want to impress you guys?. Sad Sad Sad..If ya want to talk about the subject at hand, then please be my guest. If not, i say to you Lakum diina nakum wa Wiliidiin. Late...


Guess what...my stocks are up.... Don't be playa hater Ms.Lady

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Ihsaan

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Nabad dhamaan;
I am new to this forums and just finished reading the entire thread. Apart from the bantering(stocks and ivy league students aside)- it is a pretty decent discussion. Unfortunately, whatever is said here is inconsequential.
I will try to explain why I say this. The country is being run by "warlords"- personally I dislike the term. It is western media-coined and dripping with patronizing neo-colonial nuances. If a leader- and let us face it those "warlords" are our leaders- is in Europe he is refered to as a "leader of (name of faction)" if the leader is muslim- he is "leader of the terrorist gp- or fundamentalist islamic (insert official name here)- but going back to Somalia- These 'leader/warlords' dictate what happens in our country and who fights whom and for what reason. Those of us living outside the accepted borders of somalia- are puppets that respond accordingly.
Siyaad was evil- no question about it. Most (note I say most- and not all- I too- like all of you- think my 'leader/warlord' above the rest- we are all tainted with our own forms of tribalism- whether consciously or not)- but I transgress- back to my original thought- most of the 'leader/warlords' that followed Siyaad - some in power today/ others dead- were/are not any better.
Until we get some kind of leadership that transcends tribal affliations- I have no idea how- we will be bickering ad nauseam!
That is all I have to add- nothing new.
Thanks for reading and I hope I have not offended anyone. That is not my intention.
nabadgelyo iyo akhris dambe.

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Chickenwing

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Siciid,

Please address me as "chickenwing". The nickname is singular not plural, the gender is female, and titles are superfluous (Miss, Ms, or Mrs.).

Wow! You are a student at Yale, and you have a portfolio of stocks! Please check out the thread of "Somali women looking for educated Somali men." I am sure they will be mighty impressed! If you detect sarcasm in my writing, please rest assured it is not my intention. I am proud of promising young Somalis. You seem one. Just one word of advice: "Don't waste time over Siyad, he does not deserve it. He already squandered a whole generation."

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Bashir.A

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Ihsan.

Thanks sis, You set the record straight.

Lady.

You are putting quite a show yourself. I am humbly impressed. Shake the guy. We need ladies like you.

Yohanis.

I can immagine your open mouth from cheek to cheek
giggling over how some somali fellas fell victim for your trap. (gurey knows you better).

Sicid.

The lady rules the house bro. What have you got to say for yourself proffessor?.

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cabdi

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the reason that somali could net get better is simply siyad bare damaged the country and destroyed the people severly

and this is gonna take years and years to recover he killed the childrens and elders for no reason he falsified the koran and as i can remember he was the second who called him self a GOD after hitler he blood sucker and he is the one who created the divide and rule and he was the one behind everything happened in that country and morgan killed people and latest he killed many civilian simply they were marehan or ogaden and aydiid he was mas killer

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Sicid

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Bashir,

"The Lady rules the house bro. What you got to say for yourself proffesor?". My brother, first i'm not proffesor, but merely well to do student. As Director of Wireless Division at GE, i must tell you i was giving chance to pursue dream of mine which is to get Law degree at Yale since i am an engineer. Having reached the end of my schooling for now, i wish all of your dreams come true.

God Bless America.....and Only in American....

Salaam...

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Disgusted with Showmanship

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to sicid;
you wrote- "...but merely well to do student"
CORRECTION " but merely A well-to-do student"

you wrote - "...i must tell you i was giving chance to pursue dream of mine"
CORRECTION: "...I must tell you I was GIVEN A chance to pursue A dream of mine"

you wrote- "...and Only in American...."
CORRECTION: "..and only in AMERICA"

And you want us to believe that you are a Director and also a Law student. Honey, the first thing you learn at law school (Yale - no less) is accurate use of the English language and intonation.
I am this and I am that- Who gives a flying hoot?
And you pretend it is only in passing- think..NOT!!!
So stop bragging to those who care less!

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Nasty Chick

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there they go again... somali people blasting each other on a personal level.. get real people.. there was a topic at hand.. just because you don't agree with the fella's viewpoint doesn't allow you to personally attack him... whether he can write english or not is none of your damn business.. whether he is a lawyer or not we don't care less.. unless brotha is looking fine and can buy me plenty of stuff... for those who didn't get it it was a joke... please leave personal attacks out of this and bring your ideas... and please who on earth made you all judges... so far siciid has been expressing his opinions and has not insulted anyone... so he likes to brag... so do i... fellas i am one hot chick... another joke... am explosive... lol... so the grammar, english, personality police cease your attacks immediately... you are here to obey the rules and maintain them... and the rule is, contribute your two cents to the topic and don't attack personally.... am talking to all those educated people who have no clue what a healthy debate means... and by the way somalia did not and will not get better until somalis learn to accept their differences... that is my contribution... lol

hey... nasty is out

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Wagax

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The whole nation run amuck…

I am sending this appeal to my fellow somaliz - Please stop this garbage discussion.

We getting worse and worse coz of this unsavoury topic. We somaliz had enough trouble. It's bad idea if we spend our times to accuse or to secure concerning to those leaders.

First of all we must stop generalising, and that's what our problem is . we can't distinguish between a person and a whole Clan. If some one make a mistake, then it doesn't necessarily mean that the whole clan were agree.

We may and shall stand together for our nation's, our present's and for our children's sake. We must forget what happen in the past, but concentrate what's benefit for Somalia and it's people.

The civil war affected every single family.

How can we stand together without hurting each other ?. Can we sit down peaceful and discuss re-building and re- establishing stability of Somalia ? can we stick together against tribalism instead of being evil to each other ? I know it sounds good, but can we carry out ?.

Insha Allah…Allah will show us the positive side of each other among us.

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Bashir Abdi.

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Sicid.

You are suffering from a soul-change bro.

You bought into this American dream too much.

And I thought the blessing was the campainging tricks played by the politicians when they address social security proplems to seneior citizens.

Life is unrealistic in all faces. It is like a movie we all live in and act according to god's script. What you are proud of, is really perishable and can not withstand the test of time. They just go away in the simple manner they were acquired.

Think different bro. And hold on to your blessing for the right cause. America is all the pains muslims suffer around the world.

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Anonymous

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Ethiopian, Djibouti Leaders Discuss Somali Issue
ADDIS ABABA (Jan. 14) XINHUA - Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi Friday exchanged views here with Djibouti President Ismael Omar Gulleh on the national reconciliation process in Somalia.
Gulleh was making a stopover at Addis Ababa international airport, Ethiopian Foreign Minister Seyoum Mesfin told reporters.
Seyoum did not give details of the talks, but he said that Gulleh, chairman of the Inter-Governmental Authority for Development (IGAD), has been making efforts to bring about a lasting peace in Somalia and establishing a transitional government in that war-torn African country.
According to Seyoum, Ethiopia, which shares border with Djibouti and Somalia, is mandated to closely follow the Somali reconciliation process chartered by the IGAD and the Organization of African Unity.
Ethiopia has been striving to seek a peaceful solution to the civil war in Somalia over the past eight years, he said.


Moi, Djibouti Leader Discuss Somalia Crisis
Nairobi (The Nation, January 15, 2000) - President Moi held talks with Djibouti President Ismail Omar Guelleh in Nairobi yesterday. The talks were held at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport VIP lounge.
President Guelleh briefed President Moi on the Somali peace process which he announced in the United Nations general assembly in New York in September last year.
This process was also given support by the Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (Igad) summit meeting in Djibouti last November 26. The two heads of state also exchanged views on the way forward regarding the Somali issue.
President Guelleh arrived in the country yesterday for a one day working visit.
The plane carrying the Djibouti leader touched down at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport shortly before 11 am.
Also present at the airport were the Vice-President, Prof George Saitoti, Cabinet Ministers Bonaya Godana, Katana Ngala and Joseph Ngutu, Assistant Ministers William Morogo, David Sudi, John Marirmoi and MP Sammy Leshore.
Others were permanent secretary Zakayo Cheruiyot and the Nairobi Provincial Commissioner Cyrus Maina.
By Nation Correspondent
Copyright 2000 The Nation. Distributed via Africa News Online.

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Mullah

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Siciid:

Interesting discussion here, I am familiar with Yale-New Haven CT, did u graduate there or in the process? Also the GE you work for is that the same GE Financial out of Stamford CT? I live in a neighbouring state & got friends in the area from the school days.

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Waryaa

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Salama....

Yoha...! Sorry my sayings of your name for not complementing because I cannot in direct form pronounce it. Hence, allow me to skip it over.

I had judged your name in order to comprehend to my fellow kinsfolk that your name was mispronounced, and, as its tone seems, misused in its proper name: Yoonis!

As every distinct individual knows to judge a book from its core cover is a lack of conspicuous aware; and I was not remorsing here that I dared and spared, in another forums, to call you a culpable. I was neither wrong nor right; but I have a fundamental reasonable to you believe that firmly you belong far-out the atmosphere of Somalia--our nationhood, not your encompassing and claiming that you are discoursing us whereas you are, in back-biting, disguising, caring and concerning our nation, people, and culture.

Please, we have enough struggle to overcome what we had diminished in our bare hands; and give us not a lecture to follow, we indeed know our rights and wrongs as well as the consequences.

I would finally conclude that why not leave this man's "name," I don't need to reiterate his name in here as it employed in the title of this especial forums. I say Allah (SWC) knows best where he is in at this trice; and thus leave a deceased victim's name alone. As our prophet {s.c.w.} had said in a potent and blatant Hadith that it is not good to mention a deceased name after his depature from this worldly world; if you want to mention then PRAY for him (or her)--otherwise issue it not in a sarcasm way.

PAST--or call it yesterday--reapproaches and reminds us what we had learned from the conflicts of wrongs-rights of a scale balance that our ancestors employed. PRESENT--or name it today--stays that we are rehearsing the implements and actions that was taken in the place of past, but was re-filtered and reconsidered what was negative; any negative aspects were swept away. FUTURE--or desire it tomorrow--upholds that we should fully take and strive in order to achieve the new issues that our children and children's children would cherish.

Quite Peace!!

P.S. This is not, in fact, that you are the apperant leader to discuss this 'name,' there are other forumss that you upraised and devoted it. In a reason of condemning and censuring.

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Ansaari

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Salaamu Calykum

Waxaan layaabanahay dadkaan inta godka loo qoday iska galay. Ma is weeydiiseen micnaha qoraaga toopigan uu damacsan yahay. Yohanis baabkan uu furay in uu soomalida qoorta isgu gashay mooyee wax uu kusoo daray malahan.

I wonder why you "people" couldn't understand and see how this person (Yohanis) dividing people and spattering them with dirty mud.

You already fell right into his evil trap.

As there is not much benefit from your argueing in this way , so pls try instead, to stick together against such people like Yohanis and co.

===============================================


**I quoted the flowing from his last posting in response to others.

""laugh!!!
laugh!!!
laugh!!!
guys, you're making me laugh. keep up the debate something good may come out of it.""

-Wuu idinku qoslayaa oo idinku raaxeysanayaa.

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Wagax

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To Tasniim

After I investigated your nick name "Tasniim" I come a conclusion which given me chock. I ain't a kind of person, who likes to humiliate people.

The reason why I took this case was to know how you can attack me without a reason ? What I do wrong ? You said among other things "Wagax is dhooree. He never has any opinion. Just see his other postings. Waa jahiil computer helay" so I wanna talk to you under four ayes or leave your e-mail.

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Yohanis

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Nasty chick:

I think we can officially declared you as the Council of Mr. Sicid
you’d show an effective defense for him so far. But if we read the charges against him to you, I don’t think you can stand for his defense. You’ll be running for a cover[ just a joke].
By the way, how nasty can you get.? Is your nastiness with you all the time, socially or otherwise.? Finally, tell me when you're Nastyfree.?

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Tasniim

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Wagax my.. you are a sensitive man. My words are still bothering you!!. I posted the message you are referring to on Jan. 10. You responded IN KIND on Jan. 10. I called you names, you called me names, so we are even.
I think I made a mistake in thinking you were someone else. Apparently you are not that person, so case is closed. Since you responded in kind the first time, I don't think an apology is due here. So, get over it!

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Curri

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Yohainis = kirishtaan + Itoobiyaan.
labada wuuc adaystay ee yuuna madaxa isu kiin galin.

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nasty chick

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HAHAHAHA! so yohanis... why the interest? .. sicid according to him is an ivy league lawyer.. so he does not need my defense... plus no one could afford my services as a counsel... lol... now you ask about my nastiness... hey! lemme tell u that this nasty chick is way too nasty for u... i deal on a different level... as in 100% somali level... those who qualify must come and surrender fully to the queen i am ... lol... joke fellas dont shoot me! .... and sicid, apparently you owe me a fee, when can i send u the bill... lol...

nasty is out

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Yohanis

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Nasty Chick:
oh, i didn't know he was a lawyer too but i think whatever he's he needs your defence. I think you'll be happy to be my lawyer because i'm always in trouble with the law and lawyers loves a client like me. If those who can afford your services includes Somalis then i'll qualify your services too. The cheque and your assignment will be in the mail as soon as you confirm you consent. By the way, i need very effective and good job of representing me. I need to be happy and be free from jails. let me know your side very soon. here is where you can reach me. toll free. 000-911-1800. sincerly yours Yohanis

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Sicid

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

Please whoever is using my name please use u own name. And yes, I don't work for GE. Ms/bro Disgusted showman, Do I sense a bit of jealousy sis/bro?. Why would u even waste your time to correct something I supposedly wrote?. Typical somali person just ready to ridicule another somali. Whether I am a lawyer or not, It should not any way create hostility toward you sis/bro?. Just 'cause I have said I go to Yale University, you immediately attacked me personally. What do u have to gain sis/bro?. Is it that I might not belong to u clan or tribe?. Sis/bro, it's part of our somali nature to attack ppl just 'cause. What I told you my entire family has attended various Ivy league schools such as Duke University as well as G-Town?. Should I wait another personal attack?. Shame on you. If u want to debate with me, then please do so. Otherwise, let's refrain such attacks. Nasty chick, Thank you.

Yahonis, I can defend myself thanks anywawy.

Mullah, This is my last semester at Yale Univ. What do u want to ask me specifically?.

Bashir, Brotha i am Somali person trying to survive, but my belief in this country's international policy isn't something i care about much. That's my take...

Sicid...

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Somalinet Police

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Yohanis = Sacdiyo

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nasty chick

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hey!.... i am laughing so hard... so this man yohanis wants a hot chick like nasty chick and in reality is buuryo qab?... lemme laugh again... fyi nasty chick is 100% muslim and somali saving herself for a somali bro that deserves 100% unconditional love and respect... you do not qualify and above all i hate people who cant read... sicid stated clearly that he is a yale law student.. or did you miss the class on how to read ivy league material?.... anyways you have been forced to come out of your mask... fellas please open up a topic titled: feel free to bash the christian ethiopian who wants to take over somalinet.... and stop writing here afterwards... his topics dont deserve any more comments.... yohanis... i am the counsel for people of integrity... you dont qualify.... shoot!... you completely disqualify.... lol

nasty is out

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AnonBig

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Only Yohanis can congrtulate himself! He is very adept at blowing his own trumpet! Funny isn't it how this guy changes user-name and congratulates the RUBISH he posts here! What a sick person he is!

By the way, where/when did he solicite the opinion of educated Somalis?

I've seen him elsewhere in this forums, he applauds himself as a Somali Lady (Sacdiyo!!!!!)and saying "I love Yohanis....blah...blah..."

Please get a life Mr Sick Ethiopian. You don't posses one tenth of the intelligence of an ordinary Somali....but....If you are dying to have dialogue with Somalis, then you are welcome on the condition that the topic under discussion be ETHIOPIA and ETHIOPIAN problems!

I dare Yohanis to respond to this message.

Thanks.

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ELMI

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walee waa yaab , "i am university graduate, i am this, i am that......etc.....etc". let everyone be what he/she wants! for gods sake!. stop attacking each other. this is "brain storm". we are just brain storming, trying to find out what each one of us really things or believes! english is not our mother tongue, people can make mistakes, remember we are all humans!.

about the topic this is what i think:

We have a top down problem and we need down right analysis to reach the desired effect!. this is what happened somalia: some uneducated somali learders(1955-1965) made siyaad bare military general (we all know it takes decades one to become general in normal country). he believed tribalism as a tool to rule, according to him he was right and according to somalis too, i am saying this because, all old somali generations believed "revenge between tribes". so he kind of had intensions to retaliate or support one tribe over other. at this point let me go back to histroy to refresh you guys so you will follow my arguments later on. (traditionally somalis use to fight, this usually took place in north and west of somalia(somali galbeed)). "COLAAD" between ISAQ & DAROOD brokeout before and after siyad mohamed's era, this lead to "IN GABAYO LISKU TIRIYO", eventually, ISAQ got the upper hand during these conflicts which lead to "GABAYADII GUBA". (please dont misunderstand me, i am just trying to say a past histroy which doesnt reflect my feelings toward any tribe).Siyaad bare came to power whatever the reason might be, he dilebrately killed, raped and robbed "MAJEERTEEN" tribe which eventually opposed him. at this stage he used "ISAQ" military commanders to do all this job. NO SOMALI ELDER DID SAY WHY THIS WAS HAPPENING TO INNOCENT PEOPLE. THEY ALL KEPT QUIET. while having in mind siyad bare past history, and since he used ISAQ againest MAJEERTEEN, he had smooth way to convince most of DAROOT that its time to obviate ISAQ. war brokeout in north, the elimination of ISAQ. AGAIN, NO SOMALI ELDERS CAME AND SAID DTOP KILLING THESE INNOCENT PEOPLE. since ISAQ was no way win game with siyad bare they so the only possible way to hit siyad was to start or organise war in south so all his supply routs will be cut. according to ISAQ this was there main intensions, but the worst happened, "WAXEY HuRDADA KA TOOSIYEEN RAG ISKA HURDEY OO HADDII LA TOOSIYO SIDA LOO HURTO SIIYO MAR KALE AY ADEG TAHAY", •••••• was brought to the TV screens, as one of my friend was accsuing ISAQ that DAROOD "waxey fuusto ku hayeen ••••••, ISAQ came waxeyna laadeen fuustadii laakiin sidee loogu celinaa wixii soo baxey kama aysan sii fikirin" and this lead to one of the worst humanitarian crisis in the world! this was the true picture of somalai, you can either accuse me of one sided or not but the truth is the truth. actaully this was screened, i wanted to say more but felt why waist such time with idiot somalis which will never come to agreement. as usaull, WE WILL AGREE ON DISAGREEMENT AS THE END OF THE WORLD COMES CLOSER AND CLOSER EACH DAY!!

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ELMI

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walee waa yaab , "i am university graduate, i am this, i am that......etc.....etc". let everyone be what he/she wants! for gods sake!. stop attacking each other. this is "brain storm". we are just brain storming, trying to find out what each one of us really things or believes! english is not our mother tongue, people can make mistakes, remember we are all humans!.

about the topic this is what i think:

We have a top down problem and we need down right analysis to reach the desired effect!. this is what happened somalia: some uneducated somali learders(1955-1965) made siyaad bare military general (we all know it takes decades one to become general in normal country). he believed tribalism as a tool to rule, according to him he was right and according to somalis too, i am saying this because, all old somali generations believed "revenge between tribes". so he kind of had intensions to retaliate or support one tribe over other. at this point let me go back to histroy to refresh you guys so you will follow my arguments later on. (traditionally somalis use to fight, this usually took place in north and west of somalia(somali galbeed)). "COLAAD" between ISAQ & DAROOD brokeout before and after siyad mohamed's era, this lead to "IN GABAYO LISKU TIRIYO", eventually, ISAQ got the upper hand during these conflicts which lead to "GABAYADII GUBA". (please dont misunderstand me, i am just trying to say a past histroy which doesnt reflect my feelings toward any tribe).Siyaad bare came to power whatever the reason might be, he dilebrately killed, raped and robbed "MAJEERTEEN" tribe which eventually opposed him. at this stage he used "ISAQ" military commanders to do all this job. NO SOMALI ELDER DID SAY WHY THIS WAS HAPPENING TO INNOCENT PEOPLE. THEY ALL KEPT QUIET. while having in mind siyad bare past history, and since he used ISAQ againest MAJEERTEEN, he had smooth way to convince most of DAROOT that its time to obviate ISAQ. war brokeout in north, the elimination of ISAQ. AGAIN, NO SOMALI ELDERS CAME AND SAID DTOP KILLING THESE INNOCENT PEOPLE. since ISAQ was no way win game with siyad bare they so the only possible way to hit siyad was to start or organise war in south so all his supply routs will be cut. according to ISAQ this was there main intensions, but the worst happened, "WAXEY HuRDADA KA TOOSIYEEN RAG ISKA HURDEY OO HADDII LA TOOSIYO SIDA LOO HURTO SIIYO MAR KALE AY ADEG TAHAY", hawiiye was brought to the TV screens, as one of my friend was accsuing ISAQ that DAROOD "waxey fuusto ku hayeen hawiiye, ISAQ came waxeyna laadeen fuustadii laakiin sidee loogu celinaa wixii soo baxey kama aysan sii fikirin" and this lead to one of the worst humanitarian crisis in the world! this was the true picture of somalai, you can either accuse me of one sided or not but the truth is the truth. actaully this was screened, i wanted to say more but felt why waist such time with idiot somalis which will never come to agreement. as usaull, WE WILL AGREE ON DISAGREEMENT AS THE END OF THE WORLD COMES CLOSER AND CLOSER EACH DAY!!

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nasty chick

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hahahaha! ....another nick for YOHANIS..... it is his stupid style of writing.... oh my god!.. i am laughing hard again... he is lost so he is looking for a way to get the attention away from himself and have a full fledged fight among somalis... lol.. we have ummasked you YOHANIS GAAL... get out.... by the way at least learn how to spell correctly in english and somali yaa xabash... lol

nasty is out

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Somalinet Police

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Yohanis = Elmi

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Somalinet Police

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This Uncircumsized Axmaar seems to be sending messages to this forums through E-mails to other Axmaars! What sick person he is. Soamlinet Police is watching ya Xabash!

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saq

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somalinet police you are funnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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samawade

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to u all
Somalia needs each and every one of us wether u like it or not. so please let's stop this nonesence and start acheiving a common goal collectively. Let's forget the past no matter how hard it is.

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Somalinet Police

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Samawade = Yohanis

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Samawade

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somalinet police
sxb adiga waxa kaa qaldan waxa qaranimada la yiraahdo markaa orod oo qaamuuska ka soo baadh.

inta aad waqti ku luminaysaan yohanis waa amxaar iyo christian u better do something more productive.

Somalinet i don't spent my time in the net i got better things to do bro(no disrispect meant) and i cann't call some one(yohanis) christian unless he claims to be a christian which i haven't seen so far.

Let me remind what the legend xaaji aadan afqaloof(ala haw naxariistee) said.

Mar hadaan waxaan doonayey iyo dowladnimo waayey.
dantay weeye inaan aamusaa eega dabadeede
dacaskaa ku jira noloshu waa idinku deelqaafe.

hope u will understand my intentions more clearly now bro/sis

peace u all

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AXED-GUREY

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FADLAN DHIBAATO ANAGAA ISU FILAN AAD IYO AAD AYAAN UGA XUMAHEY IN AMXAAR ISTAAGA KA XAARO IN INTAA ENERGY NAGAGA QASAARTO

TEEDA KALE WAXEY KU DHACDEY IN INTAA SHEEKADA AAN LA WADNO (EY AMXAAR AH)

GOORMAAD GOORMAAD WAXGARATAAN SOOMALIYEY!!!!!

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Baaf

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Amxaaro jabtoow maxaa ku dhacay jac iyo baaruud dheh,nimankii hilibka cayriin cuni jiray maxaa ku dhacay hoog iyo halaag dheh
Yohanis
waryaa wax isku fal waxa lagaa sheegaayo waa wax jiree xayawaan yahoow la soo gatay

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TROUBLEGIRL

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PEOPLE....

What I am failing to understand is why is everyone so adamant in dwelling in the past? No one has a solution to get past the nasty rivalaries.....Well I got news for U.....Instead of being a Politician in your Pyjamas......Do something. If the ELDERS of Somalia are incapable of coming up with a solution, I reckon the Younger generation(that is U)....Act upon it.... try to come up with better ideas. The way I see it you are all the same....Ever heard of the saying "GEED WALBO DHEECAANKIISA AYUU DHALAA".... Well U R all like AliMahdi/Siad Barre/Morgan/
Caideed................U R ALL A BUNCH OF TOSSERS.
And I feel sorry for the families of the people who died in the process but I reckon Somalia has changed for the better.......If there wasn't for the war you guys wouldn't be in the Western countries getting your education. U wouldn't be on the internet forwarding your ideas <in your pyjamas>lol if it wasn't for the war....Most of you would be in Gaaalkacyo.... or wherever the hell y'all came from playing in the BACAAD.We don't have a government for NOW....That is a shame....but we will do Insha Allah in the near future..so instead of knocking each other back pray for a better TOMORROW....DON'T FOCUS ON THE NEGETIVITY BUT APPRECIATE THE POSITIVITY.... U DIG

TO SACIID..
If you are getting your education from Yale/Harvard/UCL.........That doesn't give you the right to insult people.........just coz you are so far uppady up yo butt you think you are above everyone......well I bet you don't have friends to tell you that you ain't all that and a bag of dorittos.
PS:- GALKACYO PEOPLE I WASN'T DISRISPECTING YOUR LAND....LOL....I TOOK IT AS AN example......No offence....I gotta address this coz everyone is so touchy/sensitive about QABYAALAD..........Damn
A VERY PEACE LOVING SOMALIAN

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XaawoTaako

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To:All,
Once again the thesis of this topic is lost! People are going on & on about Galkacyo has a large population & Galkacyo has small population.
That's not what this topic is about people!

I think one of the reasons Somalia couldn't get its act together after Siad Barre was that after Barre left, there was no law & order. Immediately after Barre left, Somalia needed someone to tame it & make it work! In other words, Somalia needed a Dictator, someone that wouldn't give the Somali people a chance to even speak, someone to make them nationalists instead of tribalists!

But, since we didn't have that, there was too much freedom and people were doing things & get away with it. A man would kill another for no reason & not be punished & etc. So, everybody just went nuts!

Thats just my Opinion!

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A concerned Person

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To TroubleGirl,

Thanks for bringing a different prespective to this forums. Somalia needs people like you. YOU ARE SWELL GIRL. Good luck to you.

Enjoy sunny Australia

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TROUBLEGIRL

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TO A CONCERNED PERSON.....

Thanx BRO......Somalians don't like the truth....I was just trying to shed some light on the issue at hand....

Keep DOWN-UNDER warm 4 me...LOL

PEACE
TROUBLE

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raage

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name less
i felt disgusted about your article to the amhaar-baby, honey,darling extra, women i don't think you reperesent as our women has hounor and dignity, it seems to me you have no shame. they say if you have no shame do what you like, stop claiming you fr gaalko, you belong to buurkaloole,

and the issue of gaalkayo wasn't even the topic whether gaalakyo is booming is non of your business, before you take a part the discusion read the topic then comment.
behave you self women, don't call amahaar darling, unless you are hore.
i leave you PEACE

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MAD MAC

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Raage
Whore - Prostitute. A woman who exchanges sexual acts for money or other compensation. I think you'd be hard pressed to define addressing someone on the net as honey as fitting this description. So stop talking like a moron. Furthermore, anyone can talk about Galcaio all they want. What's the place sacred or something? Get a grip. This is an open forums and if people want to talk about Galcaio they can. If you don't like it then don't read it.

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raage

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no no mr mad american

this the way i felt and i can be wrong let me remain we are muslim we have shame but you haven't

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MAD MAC

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Raage
Everyone has shame dude. We may feel shame over different thigns but only the totaly amoral have no sense of shame, no sense of right ot wrong. Certainly Islam does not have a corner on that market.

For the rest of you - on the subject of Somalia being better off or worse. If Somalia were better off now then none of you would be living in foreign countries. You'd all living in Somalia. You fled because of the war and you haven't gone back because of the economic and political instability. So let's be honest here. I would think that is as obvious as the nose on your faces.

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raage

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mad american

come on don't tell me you have moral, is okay for you sleeping around other peoples women, homosexuality is okay for you,you have no giudlines we do, we're Godly you're not come on you society makes me sick,
i'm sick of tired an american telling as how should we live look you leader Bill fornicator Cilinton,

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MAD MAC

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Dude
Again, you're missing the point. We may have a different moral compass from you, that doesn't mean we don't have morals. Let's turn the tables. What if I was to say "Somalis don't have morals, they rape their woman, steal anything not nailed down, lie all the time. They're A-moral slobs." Now I was in Somalia so you can't tell me there's not lots of that going on there. Does that mean that all Somalis have no morals? Lots of Americans abide by moral codes that while they may be different from yours doesn't mean they don't have any. And I quote "Don't say I know the path, say I know a path."

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BAD-GIRL

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GO MAD MAC...U rule man

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MAD MAC

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Thank you little sister. I'm trying.

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