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"How Will History Judge President Siyaad barre"? by Yohanis

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Yohanis

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On October 15, 1969, Dr. Abdirashiid Ali Sharmarke, the second elected president of Somali was shot dead,by lone police man, after he ruled Somalia for only 23 months. Six days later, on October 21, 1969, the Somalian national army led by the army chief of staff, Gen. Mohamed Siyad Barre,seized the Power after our corrupt parliament failed to follow the constitution which give the Authority to rule, until the next election, to the speaker of the parliament[ sheik mukhtaar]. On Tuesday morning,October 1969,Somalis woke up with new military Government in which almost all the officers were from the army. They were 25 officers who seized power and only five were senior officers, the rest were low rank, young, officers. From there on, Siyad barre rule Somali with an iron fist, until he was chased away by unfocussed, uneducated, unkind warlords. During Siyad Barre’s reign Somalia endured good[ the good events are few] and bad events. In this writing I’ll be arguing that, Siyad Barre will not fit the profiles of those who qualify to be called dictators. But rather a leader who hated the Somali race so bad, that he wanted to killed them all, if he had his way. There are a lot of dictators in this world but they fall into two categories. They either become nationalist dictator who love his country like Stalin of [Russia] and Mao of [ China], or dictators who enrich themselves and their fellow supporters like Mabutu[republic of Congo, formerly known as Zaire] and [Marquise of Philippines].
Siyad Barre wasn't in either categories but he was someone who had loved to kill with no apparent reasons.
He didn’t built our country's infrastructures but he built our army, and the purpose was to used the army as a cohesive force to killed his enemies. Our Somali army killed more Somalis then our enemies[ we only have two enemies, Ethiopia and Kenya]. For 21 one years, Siyad Barre was begging the world for food and weaponry to run the country. He even attended the meetings of francphone nations, like we speak French, to get some leftovers for our people.
History will judge him like, a man who didn’t have a vision for his country. A man who didn’t define his policies for our nation. A man who love to killed anyone who stands in his way. A man who will react to every action that he sees the next morning. A man who failed to foresee what our country was coming to. And finally, a man who didn’t know that one day he will be sitting in exile and being robbed by Nigerian bandits. In the last century alone Somali produced three mass killers. In the 1920s, Somali produced a man named Mahamed Abdule Hassan [sayid], and in 1960s Somalia produced a man named Mohamed Siyad Barre and in the 1990s Somali produced a man name Mahamed Farrah Aidiid. They all have two things in common, first, their first name was mohamed and second, they all killed a lot of innocent Somali people. Who knows how many like them will the next century presents to us.?
Only God knows.
Salute……….

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reer danmark

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Soomaaliyeey ninkan iska ilaaliya, ka digtoonaada waa nin mudo badan soomaalida darsayay, yuusan idin kala dirin, maaha soomaali,

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Nationalist

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I don't see nothing wrong with your idea mrs yohanis but as we seen Qabqablayaasha I wonder if we can ever heve decent leader wich we can trust and love him without looking where he was born but what he's doing for us.
bay the way why you just be Mohamed rather than Yohanis?.

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Wagax

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To. Johanis or what ever your name is...

Dear friend...I think that you are tooooo much !. Will you be so kind and STOP all these improper posts !. we somaliz have enough trouble. so don't try to re-fresh up our hatred & cruelty.

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cajabo

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Salaamu calaykum

To Yohanis:

First of all you will have to excuse me if I come on too strong but this is something that I must say to you. I hate people who come to others with your kind of attitude. I told you before, bring forth a topic of substance that can open up a debate and discussion. You have another topic here stating the similar "facts" and I use the term loosely.

When coming to Somali people please do not insult their intelligence and knowledge. Where do you get your facts? What history books have you been reading? You think you can use some big words here and there and throw in some names, and voilà, you have a topic of substance. In the future, when coming here with your condescending and vindictive attitude, please ensure you know what you are talking about and for God's sake at least get the correct spelling of the names of these "historical" figures (Mobutu and Marcos).

And, oh by the way, could you please tell me what Stalin was doing when committing those purges? And what about Mao? In what name were they all doing those killings? And you forgot another prominent dictator: Hitler. Did he have qualities that you can define for us? What about Marcos and Mobutu did they not "beg" for international aid? A dictator is a dictator.

I am not one to defend any man that has transgressed against fellow human beings since Allah does not like transgressors, but I hate people that like to start a polemic after another without having an iota of knowledge when it comes to what they are talking about. Please thouroughly research your topics before posting them here.

As for the answer to your question: history does not judge. Allah judges his servants. And may Allah be merciful upon us believers at all times. Aamin.

There is this African saying that applies to the situation:

"The one that says he knows when he does know, is not wrong. The one who says he doesn't know when he doesn't know is not wrong either. Is wrong the one who says he knows when he doesn't". Very simple but true and applicable to you. Not that I know more, but I don't start topics at all... LOL.


Peace

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Ahmedkheyr

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I am more than happy to see how somalis responded to this Ethopian guy!

Yohanis - Why are you so interested in somali politics when you are not Somali?

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Yohanis

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To Cajabo:
Nice Name, again.
well, well………what can I say?
You completely misunderstood , or partially at least, the convey meaning of my article. However, in your previous replies you were more forthcoming and more understanding to the issues at hand. if there was ever a nonsense replied to any topic, yours takes the cake. You’d accused me of claiming that I know more than anybody. There was no any suggestion, whatsoever, that I claimed I know more than anybody in my article. Where did u get that idea from? certainly not from my article. My article " how will history Judge President Siyad barre ?" was very simple one. I was just trying to share my ideas about the president with others, nothing more nothing less. And that was how I evaluated him and his reign. Accusing me "an attitude that you don’t like" was a clear misconception on your part about my article. and to be honest with……….. I don’t care. You also mentioned that I’m trying to "insult the intelligent and the knowledge of Somali people". where in my article did i insulted any intelligent? find the lines and code for me...please. I never considered myself a man who knows more than anybody and I love to learn more like others. Finally, you joined to those who attacks and debate about the messenger rather than the message. Welcome aboard!!!. I got use to the personality attacks that I’m getting from the low-lives and ignorant people………..and I seem to like it because my new Girlfriend, Shacni likes to read it and laughs about it. I’m in no way, suggesting that you’re one of those but, for God sake, upgrade your comprehension’s about my articles. And thanks for the spelling corrections. See?. I’m a nice guy. By the way, unlike you, I'd like to start debating with others, lol@@@@@@
Salute……….

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Caajis

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Yohannes or whatever,

The one thing that Sayyid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan and Mohamed Siad Barre have in common is they both kicked the Ethiopians in the butt. I think that's the grudge you have for them, well, who cares.

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Tonya

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YOHANIS
Bro why dont you leave Siad Barre, i mean the man is dead. There is real reaseon why he killed those poor people. I feel angry and sorry for all those people he kill for no reason. There is an old saying" what comes around goes around"

If he killed them for fun, then let ALLAH sort him out, let him rest in peace untill judgement day.

Take care

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Yohanis

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Caajis"
come on........don't be a lier
Mohamed abdule Hassan never fought with Ethiopia. He could not safe his killing machine from the weak British empire. With respect to the Siyad barre's war with Ethiopia, we [somalis] never gained anything from that war. and we came out of it, being broke and needed to be helped by the international community.
My comparison between the trio was they all killed many innocent somali people and all trios had the same name "Mohamed".........
Salute

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cajabo

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Salaamu calaykum

To Yohanis

Even though I hate to engage in senseless debates, I have to answer you because I am after all a woman with a temper! LOL!

I am not merely attacking the messenger because in order to be qualified as a messenger one must at least have a message. At the risk of sounding maybe defensive of Barre, I have to rectify some of your sayings. To my sisters and brothers, no matter what your clan and/or political affiliation, please do not misunderstand me. I can never in my life give support to any human being that transgresses against the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW).

Yohanis, as far as Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan, I have no rebuttal because I never went to school in Somalia and my knowledge in Somali history is lacking. I have heard and know bits and pieces but I do not base my comments on bits and pieces.

Barre you said had no vision. He did have a vision and he installed the means to execute that vision. His vision was to install a government similar to the one of Duvalier in Haiti where the presidency would be somewhat transmitted to his son and/or kinsmen. Barre craved power and that alone is enough of an aphrodisiac. Barre would let no one get in his way. He wanted to leave a legacy for his Mareexaan kinsmen. Barre was not greedy for personal gain. He had a larger vision: the perpetual reign of the Mareexan in Somalia. In the process, he committed horrific crimes. But let us not forget also that Barre was not an intellectual. He was a mere mortal. Just as Mussolini who loved to be called "Il Duce" and Hitle who revelled in "Mein Fuhrer" he was "Aabe Siyaad". Any man that comes into power has a vision and a goal. What makes a man is how he carries out his vision and if it fits with the bigger picture. Many Somalis believed in socialism/communism and loved Barre. However, the Somali people suffered because they deviated from the Quran and the teachings of our Prophet (SAW). And do not use the name Mohamed in vain. Our Prophet (SAW) was the best leader ever.

As for Aidid. What can I say? For some he is a hero. For others a tormentor. For others, such as the Americans, a source of embarrassment. Did he have a vision? I can't say. All I know is that his greed for personal gratification and money overshadowed his only chance to become the leader of an after Barre Somalia. The likes of Aidid I believe have no vision. You might ask what about Egal and Somaliland or Abdullahi Yusuf and Puntland? I say all those that have at one point collaborated with Barre should go. As well as those who were around before Barre. Somalia needs new blood. What is deplorable is that no one in any clan has stepped up and said, we need to find new candidates because our elders have failed us all miserably.

The reason I have a bone to pick with you is because you are part of the problem instead of the solution. There is not one Somali that has not been affected one way or the other by the crimes committed against humanity by Sayid Mohamed Abdulle, Barre and Aidid. However, as Muslims we have to accept the losses and ask for Allah's mercy at all times. That is why I hate it when subjects that remind us of pain and misery and cause us to respond in a rash way are brought forth. There was no need for this topic. You had one going on and I am sure you were happy to see Somalis bite their heads off. You are creating "fitna" and as such you are transgressing. It is indeed sad to see young somehow educated brothers and sisters revel in finger pointing rather than finding a solution to the problem.

So, Yohanis, you said you are Muslim. If you fear Allah, stop propagating hatred among people by posting such topics.

Peace

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Sicid

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Ms.Cajabo,

I must say most of your conclution seems to be true, but what evidence do you have Ina Siyad Barre had any agenda to transmitt any power to his so called Marehan ppl?. Again, i agree most of you had said, except transmitting part?. You had also said he wasn't an intellectuall person, so my question is what makes someone an intellectual?. How do you come up that conclution sis?. Salaam...

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cajabo

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Salaam calaykum

To Sicid

Walaal, actually the reason I am saying that is obvious. He chose totally inefficient and unqualified kinsmen to occupy high level posts. Also, Barre systematically promoted Maslax within the ranks of the army albeit many people attributed it to "Mama Khadija's" intense lobbying. Barre did finally make him head of the army if I am correct (please set me straight if I am wrong but I thought he was in charge of 77). His brother/cousin Abdirahman Jama Barre was also preparing himself to take over. Sicid what I am telling you is not made up, it is well known and documented. Barre wanted to make of the Republic of Somalia, a small monarchy. Not to mention all the looting of the Somali treasury. And that was not specific to one clan. All those that supported Barre's regime had their piece of the pie. So Sicid, walaal, as I said before, I do not wish to antagonize anyone by either complimenting or defaming a character. Barre was a man with a vision I say because during 21 years he systematically setup all clans against each other in order to ensure the survival of his own.

In my eyes, anyone that goes against the teachings of Islam can't be dignified or supported. However, I will stop talking about the dead because we are all creatures of Allah. And where our final abode will be, Allah alone knows. I pray all believers are granted mercy by their Creator on the Day of Judgement. May we all be granted entrance to Paradise. May Allah forgive our sins and those of our fathers and forefathers. May Allah erase the animosity that is engraved in the hearts of the Somali people. May Allah make us one again. May Allah bless us all. Aamin.

Peace

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Sicid

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Salam Sister,

I don't really know how on earth you came up that Ina Siayd barre's clanmen was less educated than majority. If that's not baised and unfounded allegation then i really don't know. Sister, you and i know majority of Somalis did not even attend grade level education let alone to qualify to be surgeon at the hospital. Sister, that's exactly typical Somali person generalizing whole clan and it's what's going to keep us going to 21st century. Sister, i am not here to defend Ina Siyad record, but rather show whole wide world that he's an angel to compare these thugs of today and ill-fated gov't prior his gov't. Finally, let's focus on the guy record in terms of eduction,International policies and so forth. It will be really good debate without any personal and his agenda assocaited with it. God bless sis and have nice day..

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Wagax

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I wouldn't get involve such a nasty discussion, but I HAVE to !.

To. So-called Cajabo

you are trying to play a neutral role in this issue, but let me say it straight I can't trust any somali person in this world. we are full of hatred and, we can't judge the things without mixture our emotions. As somali said " Biyo lawaayey weeysaa lagu doonaa" in this connection some of you pretend to be faithful, which is just a game.

Mr. Barre did what every dictator did in Africa or for this case's sake all over the world…no so bad after all. Those who get executed or jailed lost the game! including some of Barre's relatives who spend many years in jail. " Amar doowlo ninkii diido dabaal" so I can't understand your assertion He's only defended his office and I think that's he has the right to defend him self. Who wouldn't do that ? Bandits ?

You disappointed me by mentioning Clans, I thought that you was little beat better !.

I don't se what's people focusing all the wrong things Barre done ! Where is the all the right things ??? We're all human been.

" There was a man. He build a big house, people looked at the house then they said nothing….the other day he build a bridge….people looked and said nothing. The third day he get discovered while he was in the cowshed and fucking a goat ( sorry for the language) after that day all the people in the village called him ( goat-fucker) Where is all the good thing he did ? "

We owe our former president thank and forgiveness.

Barre waxaan wax ka sheegi karnaa maalinta uu yimaado nin ka fiican, laakiin inta ka horaysa waxaan ku hadalno waa danbi. Barre intuu noolaa waligiis ma uu uogolaan in qof ama wadan shisheeye ku xad gudbo wadanka soomaaliya. Maxaa dhacay maanta ? Kuwo siyaasiyiin isku sheegaya ayaa badii ka gatay wadama shisheeye si qasharka ama wasaqda Nuclear- ka loogu duuga. Qaarkoodna xashiis & daroogo ayeey beerihii mooska & qudaarta ku beerteen.

Finally I think that's a right time now to Stop this discussion…otherwise we run the risk of a new trouble.

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Chi

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Naayaa cajabo


Jooji cudurka xun ee aad faafinayso. Afkaada & dhagahaaduba isma maqlaan...bal aqri waxa aad qortay biloowga, marna kutubo noo soo qaado marka qabiil & waxaan loo joogin gal.

Qof walba ayaa ku arkaya in ay waxaadu Siyad oo kaliya ahayn...laakiin qabiil dhan aad wax ka sheegeeyso. Ciil maa waxaan kaa keenaayey...is marji hee

Aabahaa haduu ahaan lahaa gudoomiye iska daaye madaxweeyne sida Siyad ama si kasii daran ayuu wax yeeli lahaa...Siyad hadii Maslax uu wax ka dhigo soo wiilkiisii maaha ? doqon yahay areebada ah yaan lagula yaabine soco.

Hada qadarka weeyba isla saxsan tahay, orod ceeboowdayee dharka iska soo badal, googarad cagaartaad tahay maxaan dhahaa.

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cajabo

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Salaamu calaykum

Ha la iga raali ahaado. Sababtoo ah waan ogahay dadka badan meesha xanuunaysa. Nin walba jawaabtuu u siiyay waxaan ka dhaadhansankaraa meeshuu ka hadlayo. Aniga dooni maayo qabyaalad laga hadlo. Oo Ilahay baa igu og. Rabbi i abuurtay ayaa ila xisaabtami kara. Laakiin hadaab daacad u hadalno maanta, dawlad walboo soo jirtay waxbaa laga sheegi karaa. Dadkana waxaa haboon inaysan u qaadan wax walba inay iyaga ku socoto. Maxamed Siyad Barre wuu dhintay. Anagoo dhan waxaa nala xisaabtami doona Macbuudka ina abuurtay. Aniga waxaan qabaa cidina inaan af xumayn. Tan ah maxaad mareexaan wax ooga sheegtayna, dee mareexaan goormuu cay noqday hadii la soo hadal qaado? Waa ciddu ka dhashay ina Siyad. Tan kale inu kursi siiyay dad aan u qalmin la iskuma haysto. Waxaan ka hadlayaa cilmi ahaan. Sababtoo ah cilmiga waa hub. Maslaxna isagaa dhalay oo ma aha Nabi walaal oo waxaan qabaa 1000 rag ilaa malaha askariga ugu yar ayaa ka qiimo fiicnaa. Soomali dhibaato waxay ku dhigtay garabaayshan cad oo aan xishood laheen. War intiina afka ka baratay inta xun waxaan idin odhon lahaa intaad xaq darada isku raacaysaan xaqqa eega. Tan kale cidaan ahay miyaad ogtihiin? Biloow aan mareexan ahay! :-) Marka shaqo yeesha! Yaana la is caayin. Chi hadaad ruux dumar tahay ku dhaafay. Hadaad nin tahayna la soco noocaaga oo kale ayaa beri odhon ama iminkaba reer ayaan u taliyaa. Afka suubso saaxiib oo sida isu dhaan. Tan kale gorgorod cagaaran waa maxay? Skiifo weji cagaaran baan maqli jirayee! (kaftan).


Peace

Yohanis! You see shaydan got the best of me and look where I am! In a dispute I never intended to engage in! Salute! LOL.

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leedo

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to: yohanis
my friend where are u getting your facts as my fellow sister said? u said sayid never fought with Ethiopians? if u know good but if not the fist war that the sayid fought was against amharas in jig-jiga , its fact my friend.
trying to undrestand why it bothers u so much if we come to terms or not when yuor fellow woyanis are killing a fellow somalis every day.Ethiopia and ethiopians are here for to be our enemies and will remain so, we are not going to forget and we see what your ouwn gov'is trying.
my friend time is not good for somalis every where these days but we are proud and rezziliant people and sooner or later we we shall overcome.
if u think we don't know any thing about ur gov; stand we sure do and deal with it when apropriate.
besides we are too smart to be preached by people like so please take ur message to where it belong and that is gondar.

thank yohannis

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leedo

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to: cajabo and saciid it seems to me the magic of yahanis is working.I don't mind people engage a sensiblediscussion as urs but please let us present our difference in somali languages so pleaple like yohanis is not picking our our weak points.
by the way cajabo yohanis is a piece of meat he thinks he knows so much but you are realing turning his hide up side down
thank yu

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Yohanis

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Cajabo
i just get back from work and i can't go to bed without looking this page. And tonight i'll go to bed laughing[insha's allah].
Cajabo, i started laughing as i was reading your last article tonight, in which you said, "marka shaqo yeesha ayaana lays caayine". its good to see you chased by those Low-live, unfocussed people...lol@@@@@@@
Cajabo..don't be an apologatic. you haven't done anything wrong to anyone, according to your writtings,[walaahi]. And "ilaahay kacaybso, Qof muslim ah Shaydan laguma tilmaamo". last but not least, i never thought that you are a very tempered woman. wow.....that is not a very good sign, check with your Dr. lol@@ Joking again.
Salute.........

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yohanis

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Sicid.

Come again?
If I understand you correctly, do you really believe that, Siyaad Barre was an angel?
In you last article, you wrote " but rather show the whole wide world that he’s[ Siyaad Barre] an angel".
Comments like that will make me to think that, you’d lied when you said you go to Yale University.
A Yale Student will have higher IQ numbers than those showed up in your article.
You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figured that these Warlords are the mirror reflection of Siyaad Barre’s system. They followed every line in his Book. He was their professor, if you like. He taught them everything about the "his Devil Book". The warlords are imitating him in every way they can. Some of them are rehearsing to speak like him. If you called Siyaad Barre "an angel", the warlords are angels too. Don’t be shy to support them all or choose whomever you like. And enjoy being a Yale University Student. And i have my doubts about that.
Salute……….

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Bashir Abdi.

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WARYAADA.

It is really disgusting that the AMXAAR'S trick worked on you guys. I like my evil better than AMXAAR and his henchmen.

Yohanis.

You were right when you said you knew where to press the button. Boy! did your magic trick and smoke screens really work.

You are not the only XABASHI who used to beg in muqdisho streets but your prime minister too who executes somalis now as he wishes.

The first major war will be correcting the mistakes made by the early muslims when they allowed you to live in peace.

No wonder every somali generation has to deal with a repressive ethiopian regime whose racism and hatred is practiced all over their country.

Hitler will be merciful compared to the new breed coming inshallah towards you.

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Caafi

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Wagax


Before we close this topic just to save ourselves from the nasty prospect of trading insults. Can I add that, you really posses some peculiar sense of humour. While we at it, should we call your former "president" a "goat-fucker" as you rightly pointed out? Ah aha

For the rest of you, when somebody expresses his/her dislike for Siyaad barre's regime, it doesn't necessarily apply to all Marehan. It just applies to everyone who willingly collaborated with him whether they Marehan or otherwise. I can't figure out why some of you are getting so defensive of him. Unless you were one of his sycophants of course!

Waaxay meesha guulwadeyaal maa soo galay!……………………………….

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Iftin

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Cajabo

Cajabo sida uu Chi qorayba waxaad tahay 2 wajiile.
Hadii aad tahay qof nadiif ah, diinta Alle ku dhaqma maad uhadashid si daacad ah.

Aniga ahaan waxaan qabaa in uu Siyad sameeyey wax xun & wax fiicanba - laakin adigu waxaad focus garaysay oo kaliya Barre & his close familz...taasna waxay cadaynaysaa in aad meel kale "duulaan" ka tahay.

Odaygii soomaali ahaa maalintii uudhashay waxaa la mataansanaa Qabyaalad & garabeeshin. Marka walaashiis adoo raali ah hanooga dhigin "qabyaalad & eexasho" wax uu Barre keenay - run ahaantii wuxuuba isku dayey sidii uu u burburin lahaa ereyga "qabyaalad".

Tan kale oo aad leedahay maxaad ka ogtihiin in aan Mareexaan ahay...walaashiis been maan isku sheegaynaa MATIHID, hadaad ahaanlahayd qabiilka Barre oodhan maadan magacaawdeen.

Si hadii laguu fiirsho waxaad uegtahay gabar fiican, laakiin QABYAALADA kaalin weeyn ka ciyaarta, sidaa daraadeed waxaan kugula dardaarmi lahaa in aad ku dhaqantid wadada fiican ee aad mar-mar ku dhaqantid " Sunnada Islaamka" oo aad hilmaantid qabiilkaada & kan Barre wixii dhex maray.

Chi

Walaalkiis/walaashiis si degen ugu sheeg walaashaa.

Wagax

Walaahi waad iga qoslisay sheekadaada " Goat-fucker". Waxaana kugu raacsanahay in aan kiiskaan gaba-gabayno, si Amxaarta & waxa la sheegayo nooga faaiideeysan.

Salaam

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Iftin

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Caafi.

" Waaxay" ?????

Adiga at least meeshaad ka xanaaqsan tahay waa la fahmay. " Waaxay" haaaah !. Laakiin soomaali waligeed ayeey is dagaali jirtay heshiina jirtay marka saaxiib hilmaan wixii dhacay late 80's.

Su'aal yar adna - qofkii runta ama xaqiiqda ka hadla Siyad ayuu difaacayaa soo maaha ?

Adiga waad kala hadlaaysaa xagee laguu raacaa ?

First you said " when somebody expresses his/her dislike for Siyaad barre's regime, it doesn't necessarily apply to all Marehan. It just applies to everyone who willingly collaborated with him whether they Marehan or otherwise"

at that point you seems to be a neutral person, while in your nex line seems to be a guite another person" I can't figure out why some of you are getting so defensive of him. Unless you were one of his sycophants of course! ".

Waxaadu waa hala dhaleeceeyo oo qura - laakiin waad ka soo horjeedaa in wax yar oo fiican laga sheeo. Dictetor waaxid.

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cajabo

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Salaamu calaykum

This is the end of discussion for me. As I said before, it is a touchy subject for all. When we talk about a political figure, Somalis take it personally whereas they don't understand that as president, minister or government employee any Somali citizen is entitled to scrutinize their actions. In my lifetime and the majority of the contributors to this forums, we have yet to democratically elect a president. So we don't understand the concept of accountability. Among the three men Yohanis took as an example, only Siyad Barre actually had a government and the longest at that. So it is totally legitimate to question his track record.

For all those that took it as a personal affront and attack, I apologize. The reason I am stopping this is because I believe it would be far more constructive for us to look at the future and what it may hold for us rather than dwell in the past.

Mar labaad raali ahaada Soomaliyeey!

Peace

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Sicid

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Yohanis,

Why are you misquoting?. Why don't see my whole comment rather than part of the comment?. I truly believe what ppl are saying about you. Don't misquote me. I have said over and over if you compare Ina Siyad to thugs of today, then Ina Siyad would be consider an angel. Boy oh boy, i have never seen person like you. What's that got to do with an IQ for Ivy league student and you misquoting me?. Get this straight, i'm not gonna play your little game and i'm out...God bless you all...

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Wagax

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The whole nation run amuck…

I am sending this appeal to my fellow somaliz - Please stop this garbage discussion.
We getting worse and worse coz of this unsavoury topic. We somaliz had enough trouble. It's bad idea if we spend our times to accuse or to secure concerning to those leaders.

First of all we must stop generalising, and that's what our problem is . we can't distinguish between a person and a whole Clan. If some one make a mistake, then it doesn't necessarily mean that the whole clan were agree.

We may and shall stand together for our nation's, our present's and for our children's sake. We must forget what happen in the past, but concentrate what's benefit for Somalia and it's people.

The civil war affected every single family.

How can we stand together without hurting each other ?. Can we sit down peaceful and discuss re-building and re- establishing stability of Somalia ? can we stick together against tribalism instead of being evil to each other ? I know it sounds good, but can we carry out ?.

Insha Allah…Allah will show us the positive side of each other among us.

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Mullah

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Can't believe in this day and age & after all we been thru, there are some lost souls out there feeling nostalgic about Siyaad & his totalitarian dictatorship regime of recent past. Granted that the current situation back home with the barbaric mayhem of the innocent people by thugs AKA warlords isn't really a picture to be proud of but that doesn't mean one should glorify Siyaad's regime just because of the present situation. There is nothing to be proud of the looting of the mass's blood & sweat by Robber Barons & fat cats with exclusive addresses in "Boli Qaran". Isn't that what doomed majority of Africa, dictators who are only loyal to lining their pockets instead of being accountable to their people, remember Bedel Bokaso, Mobutu seso seko, Idi Amin, Mengistu. Siyaad is in the same league with these colorful dictators & History will be unkind to him as well. Let me reiterate that while I condemn that despicable regime, I don't extend the same to his clan, infact I bear no grudge to any clan but we gotta to call spade a spade, bloodletting dictators around the world Milosevic, Pinochet and the list goes on, had been roundly condemned worldwide why should ours be any different?

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Concern Ctzn

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I like to repost this borrowed material from its original other Tarey. I am sure he doesn't mind.
Tarey Said: ( The original site of this article is The somali students and Academics association in Sweden)
"I like to share this little drama story with you. It is 99% based on true account. It seems yesterday when my family fled their homes in fear of the retaliation they may have received from the forces of the Habber Giddir led USC and Hawiiiye. The basis of this fear of certain retribution stems from the fact that my family shared lineage with the head of the brutal regime that led the country, Mr. Maxamed Siyad Bare. The fact that my brother's mother was Habber Giddir and my roots emanate from, among others, •••••• didn't seem to matter and certain death was upon them (or so they believed). So the mass exits started. And soon after that, the phone was ringing for monetary support for the Mareexaan Forces and their coalition (at the time the majority of Darood). The selling pitch was the money would be used to defend my Mom and my Sisters from the "evil" forces of USC. Logic was telling me that my money will be used to fund the missions of the this newly found united Darood to take back the land they lost to their long time rival Hawiiye. It didn't matter though; the emotionally charged appeal of my clan elderly hijacked my rational and there I was giving up the little "Welfare dollars" for the defence of my "Mom and sisters". (Did I
mention that one of those mission of Darood was to put Mr. Barre and his Gang back to their air conditioned offices, I thought I did). This was the beginning of the worst killing spree our nation ever experienced and the major victims were, at least in the South -West, mostly the defenceless poor women and children of Raxanwayn. I do remember the CNN images of the death city Baydhabo; but I was blinded by my devotion of keeping Mom and sisters save at all cost. So my financial support to the fighting never ceased despite my increasing realisation that while my Mom was relatively safe, 1000s of moms were getting slaughtered at the same time. I didn't seem to care just like a lot of Somalia's didn't seem to care during the destruction of Hargeysa and Burco or during the genocide of Mudug, Galguduud and Hiiraan. I didn't seem to care the fact that the players of the current killing fields were the same participants of the above noted atrocities. All I knew was that this time the cause was much more personal (protecting MOM and SISTERS), unlike the previous times when the cause was protecting the nation, or so we're led to believe. After several years of protecting mom and countless loses of human lives, I thought the end was near. No! To my surprise and shock we managed to make new enemies. This time it is Majeerteen and the request for more money to fight off this new enemy was made. I asked the messenger why our old allied is after my MOM this time. Unfortunately, no REASONABLE answer was given. More and more phone calls and reports of new enemies followed endlessly. These enemies ranged from homegrown cousins that converted to a new religion called Itixaad to Reer Xasan, a Mareexaan
Sub-clan. Also, we seem to make new friends out of the old enemies each time a new enemy comes after my MOM. •••••• seem to be helping us kick Majeerteen's ass, or our ass to be kicked by them, at the Kismaayo port. Tikree led Abasinian Forces and Eriteria seem to show more interest in protecting or attacking my Mom and sisters. All of these endless confrontations have become too much for my emotions to cover up for their true aims. I began to think and I have started to formulate a thought which evaluated if the protection of my so-called "Mom" was good enough reason to supply the fuel which is destroying myself and nation. I am thinking….. So how does your story go, I know you got one!"

Concerned Citizen.

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Concerned Ctzn

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It's me again; I am really glad that in our society there are people who think like some of you do. And in this regard I would like to share with you another view point of one of my favourate person amongst you, It's Tarey again. It goes like this:
(The site of the original article is The Somali Students and Academics Association in Sweden):
"I believe that in life 10% is what happens to you and 90% is how you react to it. Having said that, I think the responsibilities of the state of our people and country lies 10% with their leaders ( Pre-, Post and Bare's era) the rest 90% lies with our reaction to those actions. And we (you and I) must understand that. We WERE/ARE RESPONSIBLE OF THE CURRENT SITUATION OF OUR HOMELAND; and untill we admit to ourselves that we are where we are because of our actions or lack of it the cycle will continue. Our people faced unjust political establishment from the get go which got worst and worst everyday. Their
reactions were either passive or anger induced uprise. Both actions led to our current dilema; we are the victums and the victumizer. I ask myself time and time again, why? I know "how", but I can't come across why what seem to be reasonable and loving neighbours possessed them to commit such a horific actions? The only two answers that I could come up with are IGNORANCE AND LACK OF CHOICE. And to answer your question of where do we go from here; I propose that we address the ignorance which exist in our society and create choices........( Cismaan Calasow is Abgaal and I'm Mareexaan; He didn't harmed me and I harmed not; We share common needs and I like to address them with him)". ............."I think the time has come for us (You and I) to assume resposibilities, to admit our past wrong doings, and to react differently this time in order to observe a different results. We often assume that since we are not physically part of the problem we must not be guilty of anything; well, if you are not part
of the solution you must be part of the problem brothers and sisters.".........." Let's , as students of reason and logic, approach our relatives and identify to them how ignorance and lack of choice have turned them into blood sucking barbarics and how a change of their attitude is required if our general behaviour is to change. Let's make them understand the abilities, the role, and responsebilities of the individuals in
building a healthy communities and productive society. Let's use Botuswana as an example of how we can use what we know best (Xeer and Qabiil) to bring the best of us. First the individual, then the comunity, then the society. May peace be upon you. "

Thank you Tarey


Concerned Citizen

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Waryaa

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Salama....

Yoha... Once more, please feel not any down, becase that I had jumped over from your name--it is not a common name to me, but, yes, Yoonis!

I had said enough what my breathe could hold to defend a victim that is not present in the world we dwell nor is he here at all--the imagative world we live. Not so I guess.

Therefore, leave him alone as Allah, The Almighty, The Exalted, The Oft-Forgiving, knows best where he is dwelling at this moment. History barely is a consideration of what had taken on earth in the years that had passed. History judges not a man nor man would he himself could judge a history. Historians concur that it is not common to judge what a man did, in spite his actions stands far away from his name. Nevertheless, here as the deceased is a "Muslim," don't get confusely that his actions aren't what a Muslim had done; its beyong our imagination. But he is far away from to compare in the polical spans that a Western culture had experienced. He is not to compare those following names that, somehow, history had unfolded far deep in their little negative aspects they had uttered:

Mao
Hitler
Stalin
Lenin
Castro
Khrushchev
Napolean
Mussilini
Francisco Franco
Alexandra, The Doomer
Caeser's'

Those are names that if we view in terms of West, not East; though there is "Mao" stands with them.

How did history had judged them; would historians agree and disagree their view points.

Well, again, Allah (SWC) alone knows where they are, and I make not unveil my opinions that what exact place they belong today--repeatly Allah, The Sustainer of the Universe knows best.

Quite Peace!!

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Frustrated Somali

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I think it is clear that one reason why we as Somalis have not been able to solve our problems. In this page alone we have several houndogs who are out only to attack any and every opinion that might solve our prolonged misery. I want to thank Yohannes for his scholarly concern and the creation of this forums...which might deem some quality discussions. As we say in Somali "barasho horteed ha i nicin" Yohannes though may sound Ethiopian he could be Somali. But, what is more important-he can Yuhud for all I care- is his effort to put together this useful forums. Also, I want to thank Cajabo who showed a genuine effort in understanding our histry for she hads been outside the country. As for the attack team please back off with fangs and poison...

As for the forums I would like to say my peace. First of all tribalism is a venemous disease that my create a blind follower out of one who may have been able to see. As a society our politicians have failed us. Why, after only years we are sitting in a backward-may be 100 years- country. Our politicians have failed to create continuity in political as well economic advancement. Most of you have left your beloved country to become beggars and refugees in other countries...loosing your culture, especially for the younger generations. In addition, we are supporitng our families back home who could otherwise have produced, but cannot due to lack stability. I think what we have is the result of the shotsightedness of our politicians of yester years. Barre we can look at him in two ways: relative or isolation. First we can look at him in concert with his predecessors as far back as Abduallahi Isse's "Governo Saad" 1956-60. The following regimes of Adan Abdulle and Abdirishid. Where they corrupt or nationalists. Second, Barre can be judged between 1969-91. In this isoalation method we have to look at what Barre inherited from his predecessors. In my view it was Noah's Arch - he began with clean slate. One example, prior to 1975 Somalia's economy could produce sufficient grain-thanks to ADC which helped reducing the production of the farmers. He spent billions on military...which provided the arms that we are so efficiently destroying our beloved country and precious commodity.

Peace,

A Frustrated Somali

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AB

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Why isn't Yohanis answering Bashir Abdi's observations?????

This Ethiopian named the following areas of Mogadhishu, thus;

Burhan as Burhanis
Yonis as Yohanis
Abdulaziz as Abdulais

I bet this AXMAAR has never set foot in Mogadhishu! In the event that he ever was in Somalia, he must have been in one of the refugee camps caring for Ethiopian Refugees amongest whom was the current Ethiopian Leader Meles Zenawi! I remember Mr Zenawi loitering in the corridors of Siad Barre's offices for a whole week seeking an appointment with Barre which never materialised.

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yohanis

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well AB and gangs its true that I am not like you and I dont think like and I dont believe like you,
I have long accepted jesus christ as as my only savior he show me love and I am blessed to have him in my life so stop speculating of who i am I am not in denial and proudto praise his name, the only son who sacrifice his life so that we can be saved from our sins I know many somalis will accept as ,of what i am but not what religion I belong , we are not in the dark ages anymore. I know many of somali people are more tolarable religion especially the young one and I willing to express their mind freely, so stop your hatred and and concentrate how you can turn that energy into a useful one

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HUMANRIGHTS

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Soo you're an Ethipoian gaal (Christian) -- big deal? Why do you think that you are so knowledgable about Somalia? You never mentioned Mengistu in your list of dictators and he surely was brutal one. You also didn't mention Pinochet (who is now being tried for human rights abuses committed during his 17 year rule... his dictatorship had the blessings of the US CIA after a bloody coup in 1973 where thousands were murdered, tortured, and imprisoned).

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bashir Abdi.

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Where is the FRUSTRATED SOMALI?.

Get this my friend; I love siyad barre more than I love YOHANIS AND ALL AMXAARO. And I am not even DAROD if you like that.

SHOVE THE SCHOLARLY debate of yohanis up into your purse.

Aniga adeer soomaali iyo soomaalaan aaminsanahay. Siyaad barre nin soomaaliyeed ayuu ahaa waligiina waddankiisa nin shisheeye uma oggolaan. Adeer qofaad ahaataba WAA INAAD KALA OGAATAA CADAWGAADA
DHABTA AH IYO qofka walalkaa ah.

As I said before, I love my evils better than SHISHEEYE(AMXAAR). I am somali, I was raised as one. I don't let my tribal emotions override my sound judgement of true muslimhood and the love of
MY KIND.

You can excuse me now.

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Sacdiyo

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to Humanrights:

don't play ignorent here. Everyone can tell that writing is not from the real Yohanis but some weak, emotional, uneducated person, who're out to destroy the reputation of Mr Yohanis.

to Yohanis
don't allow yourself to be descourraged by those people. We love you and we'll always will. i wish we should have more people like you. our problems will have been solved long time ago. Asalaamu caleykum waraxmatulaah.

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Sacdiyo

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TO: AB

nice trick but it will not work for you. we know you wrote this not the real Yohanis. i can see two things written in your forehead, Jealousy and Ignorent. i love Yohanis and he is a great guy by creating this wonderful forums for us.
to Yohanis.
i wish i know you personally i'll have kiss you. you're every girl's dream.

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Disgusted.

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Sacdiya.

What makes you so sure of yohanis not writing the confession?. Or you are in the bussiness of nacamleynta?.

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Not everyone.

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sacdiyo.

dhiiqo amaad ku dhex jirtaa macallimadda. Yoonis siduu sheegey waa amxaaro soomaaliya ku korey. Waxyaalo qof soomaali ahna qorin wuu qorey sida"soomaali christian haddaad tahay ila soo xiriir" adiga marka ma qaraar ku haayo inaan la dhegeysan amxaarka?. Wax isku fal. ingiriiskana si fiican u baro at least.

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AB

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Sacdiyo: When you say “We know you wrote this not the real Yohanis…….” What do you mean by ‘we’? You and who else are on this scheme? Second, what proof do you have that it is really I and not that uncircumcised Yohanis, who is (at last!) admitting what he actually is? Sister (my sceptical eye can see Yohanis in you!) you seem be the kind that can easily fall in love with anyone who greets you even if he was a donkey!!

Sister your position vis-à-vis this Ethiopian is sterile and unproductive and held by virtually no one (except a few confused fools like Yohanis who would doubt even their own existence).

Sister please do not forget that this is a public forums where it is very easy (and fun!) to challenge other’s view points and opinions, especially when those views come from very dubious sources like this guy Yohanis! Besides, to call that JEALOUSY just shows how ignorant and naïve you yourself are!

Lastly Sacdiyo, this forums belongs to SomaliNet whom you should thank instead of your uneducated Ethiopian friend!

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Anon

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Check this out
It has come to my attention that Sacdiyo = Yohanis, see the page following this.

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Frustrated Somali

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Dear Bahsir Abdi,
Thanks for showing your ignorant ass in this last message of yours...who cares who you are Darod or jinni...All that I have said in my message was that the message and forums were more important than who put it in there...If you as the "true" Somali could not place the forums...then let others whoever they might be post...bro don't be "ma wase mana laga wase" Moreover, being Muslim is not only saying it, but it is also behavior...In Somalia there was no enemy that came from outside (at least in this last round), yet innocent people were killed, their properties looted, starvation was created in midst of plenty, women were raped, others were forced into marriage, to name but few...is that an islamic practice? you tell me...Your Ignorance is glowing even in this electronic monitor...remember loving Siad Barre won't make you neither a true Somali nor a true Muslim...So for advice go and clean your thoughts as well as your acts...

Peace

Frustrated Somali

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nasty chick

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hahahaha.... why do i have a feeling frustrated somali is in fact a frustrated axmaar who wants it so bad to become somali?... YOHANIS.... have u no shame? ..... how low can u stoop?... first sacdiyo... only a weirdo or buryo qab would claim to be a woman... now u say u r somali.... what is next?.... will u actually come back here as IMAM.... man get a life.... u have no self confidence and self esteem... hey! by the way... do ethiopians hate u too??... if they do then i must say they have some kind of intelligence other than pure evil and stupidity.... and dont u ever sollicit somali girls you copy and paste expert...

nasty is out

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Somalinet Police

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Yohanis = Frustrated Somali

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AnonBig

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Only Yohanis can congrtulate himself! He is very adept at blowing his own trumpet! Funny isn't it how this guy changes user-name and congratulates the RUBISH he posts here! What a sick person he is!

By the way, where/when did he solicite the opinion of educated Somalis?

I've seen him elsewhere in this forums, he applauds himself as a Somali Lady (Sacdiyo!!!!!)and saying "I love Yohanis....blah...blah..."

Please get a life Mr Sick Ethiopian. You don't posses one tenth of the intelligence of an ordinary Somali....but....If you are dying to have dialogue with Somalis, then you are welcome on the condition that the topic under discussion be ETHIOPIA and ETHIOPIAN problems!

I dare Yohanis to respond to this message.

Thanks.

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Bashir Abdi.

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Frustrated somali or should I say Frustrated AMXAAR?.

I have two words for ya!. BUTT OUT!

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Chickenwing

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As far as I am concerned, Yohanis is a fellow african and he is welcome to this forums. Why do most of you feel so threatened by him? Is it because he is ethiopian and christian? What is wrong with that?

Yohanis merely started three threads about Somalia and related topics. He did not force any one to write their comments. If you guys are so patriotic and nationalistic, why don't you unite against the hunger, poverty, ignorance, disease, and hatred devastating our country? Oh! yes, before you second guess me, let me assure you that I am a Somali and a muslimah.

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Frustrated Somali

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Hello Ya'all,
It is nice to see that the rate of nasty ignorant ass is increasing exponentially. First Bahsir Abdi and now NastyChic (what a name)...How dare you label anyone who opposes your doggy attitude non-Somali...why can't you take the critcism...if you can't simply get out of the kitchen and leave the healthy people to have their conversation...No I am not Yahannes nor am I Axmaar- I am a frustrated Somali who wants to see a healthy medium for conversation. I want to comend Chickenwing for his/her bravery and open mindedness.

Peace

Frustrated Somali

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S. Police

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Frustrated Somali = Yohanes

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S. Police

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Frustrated Somali = Yohanes

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Mullah

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Came across the attached article, would this so called "Yohannis" be a part of the christianing effort of Somalia?????
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DOCUMENTS Copyright 2000 British Broadcasting Corporation
BBC Summary of World Broadcasts
January 12, 2000, Wednesday

SECTION: Part 5 Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean; AFRICA;TANZANIA;
AL/D3735/A LENGTH: 95 words

HEADLINE: Ethiopians arrested for "spreading Christianity"

SOURCE: Source: 'Ayaamaha', Mogadishu, in Somali 10 Jan 00 p 2 BODY: [1]

Text of report by Somali newspaper 'Ayaamaha' on 10th January

The administration of Muhammad Ibrahim Egal [Somaliland government] is still continuing with a crackdown on people accused of spreading Christianity in the self-declared republic of Somaliland.

Up to now 25 people have been arrested, all them Ethiopians. Those arrested were found with Bibles translated into the Somali language.
It is expected that they will appear in court soon.

The Egal administration has warned Somalilanders against people spreading Christianity in the region.

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MANAXDO

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WAREERKA WAQTIGAA KA DANBEEYAY


MORYOOLAY SIYAD BARE 10 SANO KA HOR UU JIITAY WALINA WAA KA DABA JIITAMAYSAAN!!!!!!!!!!!


SACDIYO

HADA AAN KU FAHAMAY WAXAAD TAHAY......WAA INOO MARKALE FARAHA WAA JOOJINWAYSEE.

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Anonymous

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Manaxdo = wife of AB

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AB

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FAO any of my two trailers; M/s Incredibily-Ugly-Anonymous or Mr Anonymous-AKA-Somaliman:

AB is married to Majordome's sister!

Manaxdo = AB sister

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FAAY

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JOHANIS=jkhdfuheiurewuuerhhuebjbnxiuhewdiquwhwuhhgJOHANIS=weuhdwqurhjqeghasssseiu23qi4uy3urhggelioruJOHANIS=jksayfasldhff88rykljjhcuiccccc8r4f4wl8888fJOHANIS=kjhdiuylfweifhhudfsliaggfffuiroelyuthiuurfJOHANIS=ufgtuywerglllaweeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhJOHANIS=jhgiiutlkdstiueeehfutgrfrjjfff;wwwekitjfhj

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A concerned person

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Folks,

We have said a lot true and true things about Siyad Bare, the truth of the matter is he was the only president that was able to give us a country the the world ecknowledges and respects.

He was the only Somali leader that went into the length or writing the Somali language that we use to communicate today, regardless of the Latin alphabet. Look what we have become tody!? nothing but bunch of REFUGEES THAT THE WORLD DESPISES and sees us group of loosers who wants to be a liability on the backs on their working people. No country wants us on their door steps, or to step a foot on their soil (including our favorite neighbor Yemen). After his departure, what is left for us to go back to??? we have NOTHING, but to blame him and others for our misery... Prior, Siyad Barre was our problem... What is our problem today?? We have yet to admit it to ourselves that we collaborated with him to commit the atrocities that took place. We participtad in robbing the country out of its resources, and our people out of their deginity. That is something we will never be able to repair. We have damaged, and dismembered the CORE OF OUR SOCIEITY.

More than 15 years have passed since his government. Not to say his government was ideal or fair, but what is our alternative. I don't think that we have ever asked ourselves that question.

Later,

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A concerned person

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Folks,

We have said a lot true and true things about Siyad Bare, the truth of the matter is he was the only president that was able to give us a country the the world ecknowledges and respects.

He was the only Somali leader that went into the length or writing the Somali language that we use to communicate today, regardless of the Latin alphabet. Look what we have become tody!? nothing but bunch of REFUGEES THAT THE WORLD DESPISES and sees us group of loosers who wants to be a liability on the backs on their working people. No country wants us on their door steps, or to step a foot on their soil (including our favorite neighbor Yemen). After his departure, what is left for us to go back to??? we have NOTHING, but to blame him and others for our misery... Prior, Siyad Barre was our problem... What is our problem today?? We have yet to admit it to ourselves that we collaborated with him to commit the atrocities that took place. We participtad in robbing the country out of its resources, and our people out of their deginity. That is something we will never be able to repair. We have damaged, and dismembered the CORE OF OUR SOCIEITY.

More than 15 years have passed since his government. Not to say his government was ideal or fair, but what is our alternative. I don't think that we have ever asked ourselves that question.

Later,

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Anonymous

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I agree with you Mr. conserned person. Although Siad Barre may not have been an ideal president, he was and always will the only one under which we as ppl had a country...a home.

Just by looking at the last ten years we can all agree that we may never be one nation again.

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RUNTA

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YABHONIS GOORMUU CEYDIID WAX DILAY AFWEYNE IYO SIYIDKII TAARIIQDA AYAA OG IN AY HAAYEEN DHIIGYO CAB MARKA HA ISLA BARBARDHIGIN

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GENERAL CAYDIID JR

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wagar, mareexaan baa maanta inta netka isa soo taago ku dhahaya in siyaad sidaa buu ahaa iyo sidaa. niman yahoow canbaar baa idinku taalee ha dhaq dhaqlaynina oo waxaa idin sugayaa maxkamad abid ahee bal suga inta ay soomaali kala xasilayso

what a shame!!!!!!!!!!!

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Muse

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lol@runta - macalinka library-ga tag akhrina ninkaa ilaaha camal u aaminsantahay danbigiisa.

Qoute:
Maxamed sh. Cismaan aya usbuucii hore Xamar lagu waydiiyey inuu diyaar u yahay xarig maadaama uu Siyaad u shaqeeyey. Wuxuu ku jawaabay kuwa hadda jooga ayaa Xabsi Daa'in u xaq leh.

Tariikhda soomaaliya inta dagaal ku dhimatay xataa kii Amxaarada waxaa ka badan inta dagaaladaan sokeeye ku dhimatay oo in 90% ka badani ay ku dhinteen gacanta dad reer baadiyayaal ah oo hub loo qaybiyey.

Siyaad was a monster but comparing to Aidid he is a teddy bear.

General aidid: What are you gonna do when marka and Afgoi return to their rightful owners? Hit the road to Galkacyo?

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GENERAL CAYDIID JR

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muuse,

maxamed sheekh cusmaan waxuu ahaa cashierkii ina siyaad oo waa lasoo taagahayaa maxkamad laakiin kuwii baladaan taala abwaanadoodii ahaa soo kama darna. mida kale marka dir baa leh oo waa walaaladeey adiguse ma kooshin fagax baad quudaraynaysaa? lol I don't think so general caydiidna kuwaydiin mahayo oo waa lataqaan wuxuu yahay ee (shalaybaad dhalatay hortaa baan shubi jiray)marka adeer wali waagu ma baryin!

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caro

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TO: caydiid walow

iyaa marka dir baa leh ahhaah marka barawaan baa leh ee benta dhaad af uraye.

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GENERAL CAYDIID JR

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nin reer magaal ah oo soomaaliya yaqaan baan la goratamaa adiguse umi baad tahay ee dalka soo baro meesha ma baraawaad oo barawaani baa leh markana biyomaal iyo shiiqaal baaleh waxay yihiin kuma weydiinaayoo reer miyi baa tahay orodoo buur dhuubo teendho u qaado!lol lol

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hebel

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Gn Caydiidna muxuu u ahaa siyaad bare?
Ma lacagta beenta ah buu india uga soo sameyn jirey tolow.....waaa ware?

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hebel

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Yohanes how you doing bro?
Bro I've been reading your postings and bro to be quiet honest with you: you stupid bro with a capital S.
I wonder how a person can spend so much time and come up with so little stinking idea? Tell me.
Please people who do business and those who contribute to the others, by informing and coming up with topics, which heat up the page, need the Internet. And we do need heat it's winter for crying out load.
Common Yohanes do something here, you’re killing us, be a informer and make your topics worth while, otherwise be critic like me who can’t come up with their own topics but do know how to criticize others’.
What do you say my Blackman?

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MAD MAC

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Did you really say that Stalin and Mao loved their countries? You've got to be kidding. They both killed MILLIONS of their own populations for self aggrandizement. Siad Barre will be remembered as the sick, murdering thug he was. So will the long list of warlords who have torn the country apart.

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