HSM is not what Somalia needs. He is a divider --he is not a Uniter. My opposition has become radicalized because of it.

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HSM is not what Somalia needs. He is a divider --he is not a Uniter. My opposition has become radicalized because of it.

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A leader's number #1 single responsibility is to hold his people together. The moment you have failed that responsibility, you have failed to "lead" your people. What is HSM's role and purpose if he is not leading Somalia?

I mean everything that you can possibly imagine is negative, particularly in the fragile Somalia state building process---which is ONGOING---Hassan Sheekh is implicated in it.

-Corruption
-Factionalism
-Tribalism
-Divisiveness
-Immorality
-Impunity
-Short-term thriftiness
-Superficiality
-Thrifty
-Decadent
-Predation

Look at who supports him and why he is supported. For example, his biggest public advocates are folks like the Galaal girls and their ilk who literally, figuratively, and substantively revolve everything about their public expressions around [direct, and in your face] 'hatred' for a Somali clan [Darod].

In this forum, he is brought up in support by Yusuf and Abkoow. Yusuf only brings up support for him expressively at the expense of Darod Somalis and Abkoow explicitly states HSM is only "responsible" to "Hawiye" [and not you, 'Darod'].

Why are all these people referencing support to Hassan Sheikh in those terms and manner?

Are they committing an injustice against him by intentionally or unintentionally trying to 'poison' Somali support to him?

No.

They are taking 'cues' from him. That is the narrative he set for them. His output has been divisive, small, venal, devoid of integrity or substance, thrifty---petty. So he is supported and defended that way; divisive, small, venal, devoid of integrity or substance, thrifty---petty. That man is being represented exactly how he requested.

I do not have any authority to look into the future or say what will be the case then, but given my love of history and the few lessons I have gained from it, Hassan Sheekh is not a historically memorable character.

He is an anomaly important to the moment. Just like his first term was found completely historically unmemorable by the time Somalia entered the Farmaajo term, Hassan Sheekh's 2nd term precludes the possibility this term will be any different.

Hassan Sheekh is already in his 2nd year, what do you recall about his leadership since inauguration that is historically memorable? Nothing. 0. Even the animating reactions to his present output is more transitory reaction at the moment in response to his animating, transitory divisiveness in the moment.

1. He is not achieving anything substantive.
2. His leadership is negative and off-putting.

Humans are more likely to remember if you achieved something great or if you made them feel great. Not achieving much makes you neutrally unmemorable, but not achieving and impacting negatively makes you "intentionally" erased---faster, stronger, quicker.

So far Hassan Sheekh's #1 single greatest achievement is causing the Somali imagination to forget him faster, stronger, and more proactively than his 1st term.

I am a rational human being with a healthy respect for tolerance, plurality, dissent, and even the right to agree to disagree. It is not in my nature to call another person let alone a Somali authority figure "Hassan Dhiiqo." Yet, recently I have found myself calling him that while very clearly being bothered by my usage of it. Regardless of whether it is right or wrong, or even helpful or problematic for me to be referencing him that way--- nevertheless, it is an effect caused by Hassan Sheikh's divisive tenure. It is a reaction, a consequence to his having alienated me not because of policy or idea or even an issue----but of Hassan, a Somali elder, a former educator, a man who witnessed the destruction of the civil war----alienating me "because" of my 'clan'...

...while claiming to be "our" leader.

Yazak. Yazak. Yazak wallahul cadiim, Yazak.


p.s. Yazak is Turkish for deep contemptible shameful behavior.
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We already became radicalized in 2019. When Farmaajo started to target Hawiye politicians. Don't cry now. Everything you are seeing now is a direct consequence.
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:52 pm We already became radicalized in 2019. When Farmaajo started to target Hawiye politicians. Don't cry now. Everything you are seeing now is a direct consequence.
And that’s why you the traditional establishment democrats. I’ve been through worse shock tests than you show you put on. Thanks for giving me life again
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:52 pm We already became radicalized in 2019. When Farmaajo started to target Hawiye politicians. Don't cry now. Everything you are seeing now is a direct consequence.
Brother this is clear unadulterated BS. Farmaajo kissed Hawiye’s ass and the only thing I can take as a positive is how Hawiye told him to F off and say ‘Unuka Leh’


Reason why that’s a positive is you can learn a lot from a slap. I’m glad for HSM for letting everybody know who he
Was.
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Murax wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:52 pm
AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:52 pm We already became radicalized in 2019. When Farmaajo started to target Hawiye politicians. Don't cry now. Everything you are seeing now is a direct consequence.
Brother this is clear unadulterated BS. Farmaajo kissed Hawiye’s ass and the only thing I can take as a positive is how Hawiye told him to F off and say ‘Unuka Leh’


Reason why that’s a positive is you can learn a lot from a slap. I’m glad for HSM for letting everybody know who he
Was.
How many times I get in the ring with that nigga and I never got sent to the hospital. They was skinny
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:52 pm We already became radicalized in 2019. When Farmaajo started to target Hawiye politicians. Don't cry now. Everything you are seeing now is a direct consequence.
With all due respect, Abkoow, you are a nice man---but, you are not a very complex and/or complicated organism. My thoughts shared above are not for you or about you. You do not shoulder any responsibility over the Somali people. Hassan Sheikh does. It would be unjust for me to hold you accountable for something outside of your responsibility (like, for example, holding you accountable for how HSM governs) as it would be unjust for you to intrude upon another Somali's right to hold accountable a leadership role over all of Somalia. If you internalized this enlightening conceptualization, you would have been incapable of the simplicity that incubated your above 'petty' imposition.
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And because I want to preempt any misunderstanding about why I said what I said to Abkoow----he is an exact carbon copy reflection of both what he spitefully complains about as well as what is so wrong with Somalia/Somalis generally regarding their state failure.


To Abkoow, HSM as "Somali President" is commendable as long as he alienates me for not having the same color "street bandana" as Abkoow, i.e his 'clan' gang.

Forget nationhood, civichood, and citizenship.

Meanwhile during the presidency of Farmaajo, who was from my clan, my concern for any threat regarding shared rights to citizenship caused me to consistently speak up and clearly, unequivocally, and ambiguously dissent even when I was inevitably putting the cart before the horse;


  1. Pres Farmaajo MUST dial back the DOMESTIC heat; he must check his "GREATEST FAILURE."
  2. As a Farmaajo supporter, I present his greatest failure and his greatest contribution.
  3. Farmaajo should personally & genuinely reach out to Hassan Sheekh and Sh Shariif.

  4. Rebuttal to Nomand; A crime is taking place against Marehan/Somalia/Justice; Defend me, but why am I battered? - SomaliNet Forums
  5. Somalia has a lot of enemies; we shouldn't make more of them. HodanSomali deserves an apology from NN.

I could never imagine you showing this depth of appreciation for what this whole business of nationhood, civichood, citizenship, even reconciliation, substantively means.

My thoughts penned above are not selfish, thrifty, and transactional as my past reflections show----nay, they are sincere, resolute, and continuing.

As such, my values, underscoring the foundation of this all---situating the worldview running at the center of all these thoughts is, rather than hypocritical;---ENDURING, and full of INTEGRITY.
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Waa munaafiqiin: It’s also a tactic they use called “Whataboutism” to deflect responsibility and finger point. HSM first term is the same as he’s second term. He just multiplied everything x10.

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Murax wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:52 pm
AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:52 pm We already became radicalized in 2019. When Farmaajo started to target Hawiye politicians. Don't cry now. Everything you are seeing now is a direct consequence.
Brother this is clear unadulterated BS. Farmaajo kissed Hawiye’s ass and the only thing I can take as a positive is how Hawiye told him to F off and say ‘Unuka Leh’


Reason why that’s a positive is you can learn a lot from a slap. I’m glad for HSM for letting everybody know who he
Was.
The same NN that went after opposition? Farmaajo himself called the people opposing him "Siyaasinta xanaaqsan. On top of that he was appointing and working with the worst of hawiyes like Finish, Geedi, Ali yare, Guudlawe, Abdullahi Sheikh hassan etc...Dhiiga biya maaha sxb.
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Gubbet wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:38 am And because I want to preempt any misunderstanding about why I said what I said to Abkoow----he is an exact carbon copy reflection of both what he spitefully complains about as well as what is so wrong with Somalia/Somalis generally regarding their state failure.


To Abkoow, HSM as "Somali President" is commendable as long as he alienates me for not having the same color "street bandana" as Abkoow, i.e his 'clan' gang.

Forget nationhood, civichood, and citizenship.

Meanwhile during the presidency of Farmaajo, who was from my clan, my concern for any threat regarding shared rights to citizenship caused me to consistently speak up and clearly, unequivocally, and ambiguously dissent even when I was inevitably putting the cart before the horse;


  1. Pres Farmaajo MUST dial back the DOMESTIC heat; he must check his "GREATEST FAILURE."
  2. As a Farmaajo supporter, I present his greatest failure and his greatest contribution.
  3. Farmaajo should personally & genuinely reach out to Hassan Sheekh and Sh Shariif.

  4. Rebuttal to Nomand; A crime is taking place against Marehan/Somalia/Justice; Defend me, but why am I battered? - SomaliNet Forums
  5. Somalia has a lot of enemies; we shouldn't make more of them. HodanSomali deserves an apology from NN.

I could never imagine you showing this depth of appreciation for what this whole business of nationhood, civichood, citizenship, even reconciliation, substantively means.

My thoughts penned above are not selfish, thrifty, and transactional as my past reflections show----nay, they are sincere, resolute, and continuing.

As such, my values, underscoring the foundation of this all---situating the worldview running at the center of all these thoughts is, rather than hypocritical;---ENDURING, and full of INTEGRITY.
Not true. HSM and his administration is focused on the war against Al shabab. Security in Xamar has never been better. That is the truth oo ilaahay igu og yahay. Gubbet i realized it's impossible to share a country with your likes. You support a man who wasted his whole tenure on political squabbels.

While xiniinyaha aad heysid the man since he was elected his only focus have been fighting Al shabab.

Mind you we started our big opposition in 2019. On his 3d year.

The areas i will review HSM admin on his 3d year in 2024 will be:

1: War against Terrorism. Expecting to see GM, HS, SW and JL being liberated.

2: Debt relief

3: weapon embargo.

If he secures all 3 i will scream birmade until i die..
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I support Hassan sheekh for the whole purpose that he is trying hard to liberate his peaple from the chains of the terrorists. I support him because he rarely intervenes somaliland internal affairs. Abkoow maxaa u diidaya inuu adeerkii oo dhulkiisa xoraynaya taageero , idinku muraayada ma isku fiiriseen , mareexaan oo dhan farmaajo qabyaalad bay kula socdaan. Hal qof oo idinka midi xassan sheekh ma taageero , Mish macquul haadaa ? Qabyaaladii idin qaaday idinma dhigto.

Farmaajo used to adopt our own kids and use them against us . Intu lacag, diplomatic passport isugu daro oo uu guryo uga kireeyo turkiga, qaarna gurigiisa shaqaale Ka dhigtay, they are still waging war against us. He manipulated somaliland aid , wuxu Ka dhigay wuxu xannibo , iyo inuu magacyo xaassiya u bixiyo si aanu u diidno inaan qaadano . Tusaale lacagta aanu imika waaheen Ku dhisanayno 3 sanuu naga haystay. Rooble ayaa markii danbe noo fasaxay. Godkan galnaba wuu naga dabo galay . Saqajaanimo wuxu Ka qabo adhigayaga Ka baxsan waayey. Carabtiiba yaabtay.
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The theme in Gibbets thinking and what he is being forced to accept is that Hawiye life’s matter. His so used to a shortsighted Hawiye who would put others interests ahead of his own. That today you have a leaderships with a Hawiye first policy. It’s unacceptable and most be attacked. This is the common Darod thinking when it comes to Somalia. Why a Dhulbahnte or any Darod would cry on social media over the suspicious death of one individual, who by choice decided to actively involve himself in a conflict, even though he had chosen to stay away from this place during peacetime but returned to beat the drums of war both physically and verbally. He was not a victim but a fundamental active participant- a soldier/leader for war. They then accuse HSM and the Hawiye at large for not giving the one individual national attention. Ignoring the 1000’s of Hawiye civilians killed by alshabab every single day. They demand their tribal war is treated as some national struggle for Somalia, but ask them about the war with alshabab, which truth be told is much more deadlier and a national struggle.

The likes of Gubbet - the neo faqash, new exterior, same old message; Darod supremacy over Somalia. Him and his likes are finding it hard in these changing times. The younger Somalia are all neo faqash in their own rights. They want the thrown. This is not something the original faqash had a plan for so a they are left with his Emory noise.

Hawiye, as a isaaq, welcome to the table work for your people everybody else is. But if a man like Gubbet, who works for his - in his own peculiar way on a forum righting endless bedtime stories, tells you otherwise. Well you doing something right.
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Yusuf amd skywalker. You guys are absolutely correct. Hal xabo oo been ma aadan sheegin wallahi. :up:
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:03 am
Gubbet wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:38 am And because I want to preempt any misunderstanding about why I said what I said to Abkoow----he is an exact carbon copy reflection of both what he spitefully complains about as well as what is so wrong with Somalia/Somalis generally regarding their state failure.


To Abkoow, HSM as "Somali President" is commendable as long as he alienates me for not having the same color "street bandana" as Abkoow, i.e his 'clan' gang.

Forget nationhood, civichood, and citizenship.

Meanwhile during the presidency of Farmaajo, who was from my clan, my concern for any threat regarding shared rights to citizenship caused me to consistently speak up and clearly, unequivocally, and ambiguously dissent even when I was inevitably putting the cart before the horse;


  1. Pres Farmaajo MUST dial back the DOMESTIC heat; he must check his "GREATEST FAILURE."
  2. As a Farmaajo supporter, I present his greatest failure and his greatest contribution.
  3. Farmaajo should personally & genuinely reach out to Hassan Sheekh and Sh Shariif.

  4. Rebuttal to Nomand; A crime is taking place against Marehan/Somalia/Justice; Defend me, but why am I battered? - SomaliNet Forums
  5. Somalia has a lot of enemies; we shouldn't make more of them. HodanSomali deserves an apology from NN.

I could never imagine you showing this depth of appreciation for what this whole business of nationhood, civichood, citizenship, even reconciliation, substantively means.

My thoughts penned above are not selfish, thrifty, and transactional as my past reflections show----nay, they are sincere, resolute, and continuing.

As such, my values, underscoring the foundation of this all---situating the worldview running at the center of all these thoughts is, rather than hypocritical;---ENDURING, and full of INTEGRITY.
Not true. HSM and his administration is focused on the war against Al shabab. Security in Xamar has never been better. That is the truth oo ilaahay igu og yahay. Gubbet i realized it's impossible to share a country with your likes. You support a man who wasted his whole tenure on political squabbels.

While xiniinyaha aad heysid the man since he was elected his only focus have been fighting Al shabab.

Mind you we started our big opposition in 2019. On his 3d year.

The areas i will review HSM admin on his 3d year in 2024 will be:

1: War against Terrorism. Expecting to see GM, HS, SW and JL being liberated.

2: Debt relief

3: weapon embargo.

If he secures all 3 i will scream birmade until i die..
I initially lost my temper. I wanted to hurl icy expellations at you. Then I stopped, because I remembered this that I wrote above;
Even the animating reactions to his present output is more transitory reaction at the moment in response to his animating, transitory divisiveness in the moment
And that's it.

The simplistic irrationality you expressed is a "period piece," a "seat warmer" for the moment during the Half-Life of the peculiar anomaly that is HSM's tenure.

I will give you 1 simple example.

Hassan Sheikh took every Somali soldier between Beled-Xaawo and Boosaaso to Runnirgood and yet there had been 5 recaptures or exchanges of that nature since Runnirgood was allegedly "captured." Every single time Somali soldiers move on or move out, Runnirgood goes back under enemy control.

1. Do you think Somalia's national army was built specifically to be posted only in the middle Shabelle or "nanny/babysit" Runnirgood out of all of God's conflict prone Somalia?
2. Do you think the next Somali leader will make such an UNSUSTAINABLE, costly, cumbersome cost-benefit liability such as Hassan Sheikh made for tribal reasons without good strategy or even intention as it seems?

And there is the problem Abkoow---you are a product of the moment. You are like fish in water. The second plucked out of water, they starve for oxygen---ironically enough. The minute Hassan Sheekh is out of Villa Somalia, everything about him will crumble and disappear like dust because it was totally dependent on him "manufacturing" reality.

The way to have had sustainable "capture" of the Middle Shabelle was to continue building the Somali army; increasing its size, capacity, training, and complimenting with post-liberation policing and reconciliation.

Abkoow, you know what stood out to me about a recent perusal of US and UNOSM intelligence reporting on 1991-1994 Somalia? Middle Shabelle stood out to me, more than Lower Shabelle or even Mudug/Galgaduud. Middle Shabelle is possibly even a region where you are not even the plurality let alone the majority, but is presented and even 'misrepresented' as if you are. If Shiidle is not the majority, they at minimum are the plurality. "That" is what feeds Shabaab's incredibe and even possibly insurmountable presence in Middle Shabelle. The minute a new President or really when Hassan Sheekh can't keep holding together a "created" circumstance---Runnirgood amd all these other places in the Middle Shabelle will go back to Shabaab control.

Abkoow, Beled-Xaawo, Luuq, Dollow, Garbahaarey, Buurdhuubo, Baardheere were captured 11 years ago

They have never fallen back to Shabaab control.

Masjid Cali Guduud and Ruunnirgood were captured and recaptured at least 1/2 a dozen times just in the last year of Hassan Sheekh's "War on Terror" ---let alone the 12 preceding years and the amount of times AMISOM "captured" it.

The business of "Macawiisley" is a failure. Somebody who is surface, superficial, thrifty, motivated by quick, momentary "excitability" could have only come up with it.

It is like being invested in a " firecracker " than a lamp for light.

The firecracker is lit in the middle of "nothingness," it fizzes, shoots into the air, kaboom, it colors the sky-----then 'nothingness. '

That is all there is to the circumstantial anomaly of a "Hassan Sheekh."

My condolences---in advance.
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