Bernie Sanders running for POTUS in 2020

[FAH1223]

I'm all in

[X.Playa]

Him and Warren are fraud.

[DayrBare]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pow ... 1ffaa1f96a

[FAH1223]

Him and Warren are fraud.

And yet they're the best candidates of the field.

[Khalid Ali]

Fah he is Jewish I thought you hated jews.

What is his chances of winning the democratic party
What about the black lady.

[FAH1223]

Fah he is Jewish I thought you hated jews.

What is his chances of winning the democratic party
What about the black lady.

I dont hate Jews, wtf are you talking about

Bernie has as good as chance as anyone but theres a good amount of Democrats who do not like him esp elected ones.

Bernie has the best grassroots movement behind him since he ran in 2016

[gurey25]

Trump will win reelection..

[FAH1223]

Trump will win reelection..

Gurey,

Trump is weak. He is the weakest US President since Jimmy Carter. In fact, they both have similar circumstances. Both had Congress controlled by their parties during the first 2 years and both weren't able to push sweeping agendas. Carter accomplished more in aggregate because the US political system in the late 1970s wasn't paralyzed as it is now due to the US being an oligarchy with no meaningful limits on campaign finance.

He barely won Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. All 3 of those states just elected Democratic Governors, Attorneys General, and US Senators in statewide elections in 2018. The OBAMA-OBAMA-TRUMP voters of 2008-2012-2016 are swinging back left as they have seen they took a chance on a con-man. A plutocrat who only wants to enrich himself and his family and has enriched his class even further with the tax cut that will cost $2 trillion which only helps corporations already sitting on historic profits.

Dairy Farmers in Wisconsin are hurting due to the trade war.

Left wing populism embodied by Bernie defeats Trump. And since Bernie's message is so popular, the other candidates are jacking his style.

The only candidate though with a track record of standing against the powerful is Warren but her fundraising so far is lackluster.

Bernie has raised $10M in less than a week, 40% new donors. 1 million volunteers signed up in every single state.

Even if he doesn't win the nomination, he's going to have a lot to say about the general election.

Sanders is the most popular politician in the USA. His favorability is in the mid to high 50s. He touts popular program proposals which the distressed American public need such as Medicare For All, Wage Increases, Infrastructure building, climate change adaptation, ending the war on drugs, taking on private prisons, etc, etc...

[gurey25]

I like your enthusiasm but I am skeptical of the common sense of the US voters and their intelligence.
I have even less trust for the political system.

Bernie is the right choice the logical choice, he has real solutions to problems and has an understanding of how the economy actually operates due to having Stephanie Kelton as an advisor in the last election campaign.

She is a proponent of MMT .

[X.Playa]

I like your enthusiasm but I am skeptical of the common sense of the US voters and their intelligence.
I have even less trust for the political system.

Bernie is the right choice the logical choice, he has real solutions to problems and has an understanding of how the economy actually operates due to having Stephanie Kelton as an advisor in the last election campaign.

She is a proponent of MMT .

Bernie lost because of the DNC old guards and big money connected PAC . Nothing changed the democratic party is more right wing then ever before under Polesi , noticed how she was clapping when Trump was making a disparaging remarks against socialism in the state of the union speech .

I am very suspicious about Berni , Warren and these 'socialist" i think they are implants that are put into the race to prevent true socialist populist contesting , they are more like a controlled bots.

[Nubis]

This is interesting ya'll. I'm all in.

[FAH1223]

I like your enthusiasm but I am skeptical of the common sense of the US voters and their intelligence.
I have even less trust for the political system.

Bernie is the right choice the logical choice, he has real solutions to problems and has an understanding of how the economy actually operates due to having Stephanie Kelton as an advisor in the last election campaign.

She is a proponent of MMT .

The political system is terrible and ruled by big money. Trump was bankrolled by the Mercers, Adelsons... the Kochs spend hundreds of millions to elect Republicans.

The Dems since the 1980s have taken more and more corporate money and its all embodied in Nancy Pelosi.

However, even with low information voters, populism from the left can work. All Bernie is doing is running on popular ideas that poll with strong majorities even into the 60%+ range. Medicare for All, tuition free public universities, infrastructure spending with emphasis on green technology, breaking up the banks, prosecuting white collar crimes, raising taxes on the rich... and the other Dems are riding those coat tails.

Elizabeth Warren is different. She's for all those things but she has a track record of going after the powerful. She got the CEO of Wells Fargo fired and she had no legal authority to do so. She got Obama to create the consumer financial protection bureau which has gone after a lot of financial fraud until Trump's cronies took over to enrich potential donors.

I think we're seeing the Democrats finally realize it is popular to stand up to power and the Clinton-Obama strategies have been failures. More and more Dems are invoking Roosevelt and if you listen to his speeches from the 1930s and how he talked about the Republicans then... its the same shid now.

And more Dems are talking MMT. Stephanie Kelton is great and the whole national debt mattering is going by the wayside. If you're a Dem running and talking about paying down the debt, you ain't going far in the primary. Even getting the annual deficit down as a policy ain't popular especially when the Republicans passed a $2 trillion tax cut for plutocrats that's financed by deficit spending. So, the whole 'how are we gonna pay for it' BS that the corporatist media and right wing pull out ain't supposed to hurt the Dems.

You should check out Corey Robin. He talks about governing in paradigms. From 1930s until 1980 the USA was under the New Deal and later Great Society paradigm. Then Jimmy Carter got the neoliberal turn and Reagan upended that paradigm and almost 40 years later we are living under the Reagan regime of tax cuts for plutocrats, destroy workers rights, deregulate, and maintain the supply side economic hegemony.

Clinton and Obama operated under that regime. They didn’t upend the old order as Reagan and Roosevelt did.

If some of these progressive Democrats can push the Overton window left, we could be on the verge of the end of Reaganism. But it’ll probably take another crisis to really snowball it. Obama had that opportunity in 2009. He had 60 votes in the Senate, popularity and a mandate. But he’s an aristocrat and has no shame in it. He didn’t break up Citibank and he hired the likes of Tim Geithner. He put pro monopolists at the FTC. He let Big agriculture run wild while saying the opposite as a candidate. It’s no wonder that the Democratic Party got demolished from 2010-2016 in states all over the country.

Bernie lost because of the DNC old guards and big money connected PAC . Nothing changed the democratic party is more right wing then ever before under Polesi , noticed how she was clapping when Trump was making a disparaging remarks against socialism in the state of the union speech .

I am very suspicious about Berni , Warren and these 'socialist" i think they are implants that are put into the race to prevent true socialist populist contesting , they are more like a controlled bots.

Bernie is a social democrat. He may call himself a democratic socialist like Eugene Debs but Bernie ain't no Debs.

Bernie was polling at 3% when he announced in April 2015. Hilary had the deck stacked for her way before that. He finished with 46% of the pledged delegates and shifted the national conversation in spite of the scales being tipped. I believe he wasn't in it to win it.

However, he's in it to win it this time and with a big field, it will help him more than hurt.

Bernie also doesn't take corporate PAC money or is funded by Wall Street...he's got an army of volunteers and grassroots donors.

Democratic Primary voters though seem to like centrists not leftists which sucks.

[X.Playa]

I like your enthusiasm but I am skeptical of the common sense of the US voters and their intelligence.
I have even less trust for the political system.

Bernie is the right choice the logical choice, he has real solutions to problems and has an understanding of how the economy actually operates due to having Stephanie Kelton as an advisor in the last election campaign.

She is a proponent of MMT .

The political system is terrible and ruled by big money. Trump was bankrolled by the Mercers, Adelsons... the Kochs spend hundreds of millions to elect Republicans.

The Dems since the 1980s have taken more and more corporate money and its all embodied in Nancy Pelosi.

However, even with low information voters, populism from the left can work. All Bernie is doing is running on popular ideas that poll with strong majorities even into the 60%+ range. Medicare for All, tuition free public universities, infrastructure spending with emphasis on green technology, breaking up the banks, prosecuting white collar crimes, raising taxes on the rich... and the other Dems are riding those coat tails.

Elizabeth Warren is different. She's for all those things but she has a track record of going after the powerful. She got the CEO of Wells Fargo fired and she had no legal authority to do so. She got Obama to create the consumer financial protection bureau which has gone after a lot of financial fraud until Trump's cronies took over to enrich potential donors.

I think we're seeing the Democrats finally realize it is popular to stand up to power and the Clinton-Obama strategies have been failures. More and more Dems are invoking Roosevelt and if you listen to his speeches from the 1930s and how he talked about the Republicans then... its the same shid now.

And more Dems are talking MMT. Stephanie Kelton is great and the whole national debt mattering is going by the wayside. If you're a Dem running and talking about paying down the debt, you ain't going far in the primary. Even getting the annual deficit down as a policy ain't popular especially when the Republicans passed a $2 trillion tax cut for plutocrats that's financed by deficit spending. So, the whole 'how are we gonna pay for it' BS that the corporatist media and right wing pull out ain't supposed to hurt the Dems.

You should check out Corey Robin. He talks about governing in paradigms. From 1930s until 1980 the USA was under the New Deal and later Great Society paradigm. Then Jimmy Carter got the neoliberal turn and Reagan upended that paradigm and almost 40 years later we are living under the Reagan regime of tax cuts for plutocrats, destroy workers rights, deregulate, and maintain the supply side economic hegemony.

Clinton and Obama operated under that regime. They didn’t upend the old order as Reagan and Roosevelt did.

If some of these progressive Democrats can push the Overton window left, we could be on the verge of the end of Reaganism. But it’ll probably take another crisis to really snowball it. Obama had that opportunity in 2009. He had 60 votes in the Senate, popularity and a mandate. But he’s an aristocrat and has no shame in it. He didn’t break up Citibank and he hired the likes of Tim Geithner. He put pro monopolists at the FTC. He let Big agriculture run wild while saying the opposite as a candidate. It’s no wonder that the Democratic Party got demolished from 2010-2016 in states all over the country.

Bernie lost because of the DNC old guards and big money connected PAC . Nothing changed the democratic party is more right wing then ever before under Polesi , noticed how she was clapping when Trump was making a disparaging remarks against socialism in the state of the union speech .

I am very suspicious about Berni , Warren and these 'socialist" i think they are implants that are put into the race to prevent true socialist populist contesting , they are more like a controlled bots.

Bernie is a social democrat. He may call himself a democratic socialist like Eugene Debs but Bernie ain't no Debs.

Bernie was polling at 3% when he announced in April 2015. Hilary had the deck stacked for her way before that. He finished with 46% of the pledged delegates and shifted the national conversation in spite of the scales being tipped. I believe he wasn't in it to win it.

However, he's in it to win it this time and with a big field, it will help him more than hurt.

Bernie also doesn't take corporate PAC money or is funded by Wall Street...he's got an army of volunteers and grassroots donors.

Democratic Primary voters though seem to like centrists not leftists which sucks.

Bernie is not a social democrats not to international standards but in the crazy right wing skewed US politics guys like Sanders appear socialist , but what he is advocating is just a return to the new deal of the 1930. Bernie is a suspicious character , the things he does sometimes defies rational political explanations , for example he was advised to run as an independent to preempt the DNC screening of "radical honest anti establishment candidates" he chose nevertheless to run as a democrat known fully well that the modern democratic party after Bill Clinton is nothing but the 1980s republican party policy wise.

Despite the DNC conspiracy against him in favour of the establishment candidate Miss Clinton contrary to the wishes of his supporters Bernie towed the lined and endorsed the wall-street candidate Clinton , a thing that baffled all Bernie fans.

Now this week he further alienated the black voters after coming out as the only "left" wing candidate to oppose reparations for slavery citing the republican excuse of " divisiveness" . Bernie is nothing but another Obama , a Manchurian candidate that will be co-opted as soon as he gets elected like Obama whom in the beginning talked what people wanted to hear and as soon as he won the presidency staffed his cabinet with wall street appointees.

[FAH1223]

Bernie is not a social democrats not to international standards but in the crazy right wing skewed US politics guys like Sanders appear socialist , but what he is advocating is just a return to the new deal of the 1930. Bernie is a suspicious character , the things he does sometimes defies rational political explanations , for example he was advised to run as an independent to preempt the DNC screening of "radical honest anti establishment candidates" he chose nevertheless to run as a democrat known fully well that the modern democratic party after Bill Clinton is nothing but the 1980s republican party policy wise.

Despite the DNC conspiracy against him in favour of the establishment candidate Miss Clinton contrary to the wishes of his supporters Bernie towed the lined and endorsed the wall-street candidate Clinton , a thing that baffled all Bernie fans.

Now this week he further alienated the black voters after coming out as the only "left" wing candidate to oppose reparations for slavery citing the republican excuse of " divisiveness" . Bernie is nothing but another Obama , a Manchurian candidate that will be co-opted as soon as he gets elected like Obama whom in the beginning talked what people wanted to hear and as soon as he won the presidency staffed his cabinet with wall street appointees.

He was never going to run as an independent for the Presidency. He doesn't want to be seen as Ralph Nader. Bernie values his career in the US Senate and knows he'd be swept away permanently if he did that.

Comparing him to Obama is weird though. Obama got a lot of Wall Street donations and we found out through Wikileaks that Citibank basically proposed most of his cabinet. Very Clintonian. Obama got most of his agenda through and he has made no qualms that he is an aristocrat. Basically we can't have nice things, only half measures.

Bernie is villified and hated by the banks and corporations. He openly says he wants to take them on. There's a fundamental difference of ideology there. Like you said, he wants to return to the New Deal and later Great Society type paradigm that existed from 1933-1980. The Democrats since Clinton have run away from that for more and more neoliberal measures and not wanting to effectively govern. They do not want to wield power for the general public.

In the crop of Dems running, only a couple want to wield actually power. Warren is one of them because she wants to get rid of the racist Senate filibuster on passing laws. It's already gone for judicial nominees because of Harry Reid. And unfortunately McConnell is stacking the courts with far right young judges from Trump.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Bernie has a better chance this time.who ever comes second in primaries gets nominated next time. but the big question is will blacks, specially black women vote for him? or vote for kamala, booker etc. He seems to be trying to appeal to black ppl this time, talking about his civil right days